You're going to hell if you __________ (3 Viewers)

[BlanquiNegro]

These are just words, they mean nothing. There is no "only one, first, last". It's just fantasy. If something can be "first", it might as well be the universe. If nothing can be "first" then neither can god. That's logic. What you're using is just empty words.

You didn't answer the Q
who is it then if it is not God?

 

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[Martin]

1) The universe is impeccably balanced, if anything was even slightly rendered the universe would collapse into itself. This perfect equilibrium must have been created by a supernatural force.

Based on what? Other universes you know about?

 

[Martin]

You didn't answer the Q
who is it then if it is not God?

Why do you ask "who is it"? How do you know it's a person?

 

[swag]

Based on what? Other universes you know about?

I think he's talking about Dark Energy.

 

[BlanquiNegro]

Dude, there's no question in your paragraph and there's no question mark stating your question so I have no idea what question you're talking about.

here it is

Lets put Quran aside

Look at yourself and ask yourself :
Who gave me the life?
Who is taking it back ?
why i am not eternal or immortal?
I can control my breathing while i am awake
but who is controlling it while i am sleeping?

Then look at the earth and ask yourself
Who created it?
who is keeping it moving in the same circles for thousands of years?
who is keeping the distance between it and the sun?
Why don't the earth get closer to it and then burn, or why it doesn't move away from it and get frozen?
Who created the water?
And why the water is the base of all the livings?
2/3 of human body is water
Who created the mountains and valleys?and why?
Who created the oceans rivers, lakes and falls?

Then look at the sky and ask yourself
Who created the sun and the moon?
who is controlling their movements ?
Who created the atmosphere?
Who created the oxygen?
Why can't we live without it?
Who created those millions of stars?
Who is taking care of all of them all these years?

Who is and who is and who is?
Endless Qs
Those who don't believe in God , will you please answer me who?
Nature?
If it is the nature, with all the extraordinary power needed to do so
nature which can't be identified
which can't be recognised
which can't be seen
which can't be imagined
which can't be examined

Why is it difficult to believe its Allah "God"
when we can't see him
when we can't imagine him
when we can't examine him
If it is the nature, why can't we control it?

And if the answer is "nothing" to the earlier Qs
Is it rational and logic to think that there is nothing controlling everything
or everything is controlling itself by itself
if it is so
Why don't we control ourselves at least?
Why can't we stay alive without water and oxygen
why can't we control our heartbeat, blood flows and breaths?
why can't we control our own systems, neurological,gastric respiratory etc?

How can i convince myself that everything starting from deep inside me to the stars is just running by itself or there is nothing behind it , taking care of it

When i see a car moving , i realise that someone is driving it
When i see a factory , i know that there is someone running it
When i see a paint, i know that someone did it

Everything is created or controlled or both by someone
Nothing=Nothing
Nothing is nothing
its very simple scientific, rational and logic concept

There is something controlling everything

Who is that someone if it is not Allah "God"?
God is the first and nothing before him and that's why he is God
God is the last and nothing after him and that's why he is God
God is the only answer

 

[swag]

actually the number '0' was "invented" or 1st realized in ancient india

If you mean Aryabhata, he's gotta be added to the discussion. I don't think we can pick a lone inventor per se, though.

 

[rounder]

No, supernatural. As in: if something has to be supernatural to appear out of nothing, then let's just say the universe is. And you can't prove that it's not.

I'm saying, to be slightly rude, I don't give a shit if god exists because the universe runs just fine without him.

Ahh.. I thought I explained this before. The universe cannot be supernatural because it, like the entire natural world, is within the dimensions of time and space. A supernatural force that is able to come into being by itself is a dimensionless and timeless force. The universe is something tangible, it is part of the natural world, there is absolutely no reason for one to assume to the universe to be supernatural.

 

[BlanquiNegro]

Why do you ask "who is it"? How do you know it's a person?

He is not
Anyway

Who is it ?
or
What is it?

is it better now?


Put the way you like but just give me the answer

 

[Martin]

Ahh.. I thought I explained this before. The universe cannot be supernatural because it, like the entire natural world, is within the dimensions of time and space.

Which you can't prove. Science as it stands today (and probably for a long time yet) does not know if the the universe is or isn't supernatural.

there is absolutely no reason for one to assume

..that there is a god.

 

[.zero]

yea man, why where you at ?

my folks live in windsor, like 2 mins from BDL

 

[rounder]

Based on what? Other universes you know about?

Look it up..

 

[Martin]

He is not
Anyway

Who is it ?
or
What is it?

is it better now?


Put the way you like but just give me the answer

What is what?

 

[Martin]

Look it up..

look what up

 

[BlanquiNegro]

What is what?

Come on man

not again pls

 

[Eddy]

my folks live in windsor, like 2 mins from BDL

windsor ? ive got friends there too, thats canada though right?

 

[rounder]

Which you can't prove. Science as it stands today (and probably for a long time yet) does not know if the the universe is or isn't supernatural.

If you cannot absolutely prove something this does not mean it isn't true.
There are things you simply know.

I know you have a mind although I cannot prove it.

I know I love Juve but I cannot pove it to you.

I know I think this painting is beautiful but I cannot prove it.

Scientists cannot prove any of these things, does that mean they are not true?

 

[Eddy]

Come on man

not again pls

youre not making sense dude

 

[swag]

Which you can't prove. Science as it stands today (and probably for a long time yet) does not know if the the universe is or isn't supernatural.

Some of the more popular veins of string theory/M-theory predict that the universe may have 11 dimensions or so:

http://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=41846

Do those extra 7 dimensions make the universe supernatural or natural? I don't know by his definition there....

 

[rounder]

look what up

If the constants in the universe are rendered, the universe will collapse on itself. It is scientifically proven, you can look it up if you want.

To answer your question. Based on reason, nothing more.

 

[Martin]

Some of the more popular veins of string theory/M-theory predict that the universe may have 11 dimensions or so:

http://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=41846

Do those extra 7 dimensions make the universe supernatural or natural? I don't know by his definition there....

It seems to me that whatever the universe is, that defines "natural". I mean how could you point to the universe and say it's not natural, I mean what other yardstick do you have?

For that matter, there's nothing that's not natural. Everything comes out of the universe, so everything is by definition natural. The term "unnatural" is on very thin ice I think.