You're going to hell if you __________ (9 Viewers)

[jukazem]

But what would happen if it turned out that it's not perfect? Just hypothetically?

Like how would you prove that? If you present a more genuine version people would just take the more authenticated one; trying to disprove the book wouldn't quite be the end of Islam in my opinion.

 

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[Lawnchair Bes]

It depends on the intentions of the investigator. If his sole purpose is to ridicule and find the falsehood of Islam then he won't be welcomed. That'd be like me coming to your house to make sure your grandmother is as old as she says she is. But if they just want to run tests on it for the sake of historical record then I don't see what they wouldn't be welcomed.

If Geert Wilders wants to discuss Islam in a civilized manner then he will be welcome to, but him making movies and desecrating the Qur'an is not the approach that's going to be welcomed.

and he should have died because of that?

 

[Martin]

If Geert Wilders wants to discuss Islam in a civilized manner then he will be welcome to, but him making movies and desecrating the Qur'an is not the approach that's going to be welcomed.

Actually, his provocation was kind of interesting. Did you see that "movie" of his that caused all that controversy? It's the typical thing, noone actually knows what's in it but everyone's totally pissed off. Very rational behavior.

Anyway, I saw the thing on liveleak.com before it got taken down. It was 15 minutes, yeah real important "movie". And it didn't really say anything that he hadn't said before, most of it was a slideshow with music and captions to go with the pictures. Then the final scene was a person leafing through the koran and sort of getting ready to tear out pages from it. Then the screen went black and you could hear paper tearing sounds. Then comes the caption "that was pages torn out of a phone book".

It was really tremendously hyped for the insignificant 15 minutes that it was.

Anyway, it seems to have gotten him into a spot of legal trouble, so I guess he won't be making more "movies" right now.


Do you know Bill Maher, the comedian? His religion movie was actually a lot better.

 

[Alen]

and BTW
there was a debate about the story of that copy found in Yemen and the Guy who was trying to proof his theory was never taken seriously

Of course, why would an expert in Arabic calligraphy and Koranic paleography, a German university professor, who was invited by the Yemen authorities specifically because he was one of the biggest experts on the field, be taken seriously?

 

[Fred]

yup i saw that one a few days ago.

 

[jukazem]

not by those who have benefited from the current order of things

Hey Bes, I asked you some time back in a different thread without receiving a reply, that why would someone who is a non-believer (I am assuming that the non-believer doesn't believe in the existence of heaven or hell) would find it offensive if he was told 'you're going to hell'- shouldn't you be thinking like- 'yeah right, it doesn't even exist'. Or did you not reply because it won't offend you?

 

[Zé Tahir]

and he should have died because of that?

Hey I don't call all Albanians retards so maybe you can find yourself to accept that there are all types of Muslims.

Actually, his provocation was kind of interesting. Did you see that "movie" of his that caused all that controversy? It's the typical thing, noone actually knows what's in it but everyone's totally pissed off. Very rational behavior.

Anyway, I saw the thing on liveleak.com before it got taken down. It was 15 minutes, yeah real important "movie". And it didn't really say anything that he hadn't said before, most of it was a slideshow with music and captions to go with the pictures. Then the final scene was a person leafing through the koran and sort of getting ready to tear out pages from it. Then the screen went black and you could hear paper tearing sounds. Then comes the caption "that was pages torn out of a phone book".

It was really tremendously hyped for the insignificant 15 minutes that it was.

Anyway, it seems to have gotten him into a spot of legal trouble, so I guess he won't be making more "movies" right now.

I haven't seen it entirely but I've seen screen shots of it. I don't really care to see it though. Not because it's offensive but because its retarded and so is he.

 

[Lawnchair Bes]

Hey I don't call all Albanians retards so maybe you can find yourself to accept that there are all types of Muslims.

i am still waiting to hear you condemn their actions.

 

[Zé Tahir]

i am still waiting to hear you condemn their actions.

lol what? Do you think I represent all Muslims? Do you come on here and condemn all negative Albanian actions?

 

[Martin]

I haven't seen it entirely but I've seen screen shots of it. I don't really care to see it though. Not because it's offensive but because its retarded and so is he.

I wouldn't call him retarded, that's the Vinman tactic of dismissal. He does actually make the occasional reasonable point. But it's hard to take him seriously given what he stands for.

 

[Zé Tahir]

I wouldn't call him retarded, that's the Vinman tactic of dismissal. He does actually make the occasional reasonable point. But it's hard to take him seriously given what he stands for.

Agreed.

 

[BlanquiNegro]

Of course, why would an expert in Arabic calligraphy and Koranic paleography, a German university professor, who was invited by the Yemen authorities specifically because he was one of the biggest experts on the field, be taken seriously?

Because he couldn't proof what he said.
I think his claims were thoroughly examined in Egypt and found to be BS

I think i have a hard copy of an article talking about it
i will try to find it for you just give me sometime

 

[Martin]

Agreed.

Interestingly, it seems people enjoy trolling if elections are anything to by. People like Le Pen getting votes.

 

[BlanquiNegro]

that is why i didn't criticize you English spelling skills chump, merely your ability to use a spell check. i can't spell for shit myself.

As i told you
You are so pathetic to the level that can't be taken seriously
go play somewhere else boy

 

[Alen]

http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/199901/koran

Very interesting, very long and very provocative article. (the first and the third page is where the interesting parts are).

 

[Seven]

It depends on the intentions of the investigator. If his sole purpose is to ridicule and find the falsehood of Islam then he won't be welcomed. That'd be like me coming to your house to make sure your grandmother is as old as she says she is. But if they just want to run tests on it for the sake of historical record then I don't see what they wouldn't be welcomed.

If Geert Wilders wants to discuss Islam in a civilized manner then he will be welcome to, but him making movies and desecrating the Qur'an is not the approach that's going to be welcomed.

On another note Jan Mulder, a hilarious writer who used to play for Anderlecht, said that the real problem with Geert Wilders is that sometimes you find yourself agreeing with him. You know that a lot of what he says is wrong and you don't like the way in which he says it, but sometimes, just sometimes, you think: damn, he's got a point there. And for a lot of people that means he can be right about other things as well.

 

[Seven]

As i told you
You are so pathetic to the level that can't be taken seriously
go play somewhere else boy

Who you calling boy?

He ain't no boy.

 

[Zé Tahir]

http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/199901/koran

Very interesting, very long and very provocative article. (the first and the third page is where the interesting parts are).

This is what I find funny:

HE first person to spend a significant amount of time examining the Yemeni fragments, in 1981, was Gerd-R. Puin, a specialist in Arabic calligraphy and Koranic paleography based at Saarland University, in Saarbrücken, Germany. Puin, who had been sent by the German government to organize and oversee the restoration project, recognized the antiquity of some of the parchment fragments, and his preliminary inspection also revealed unconventional verse orderings, minor textual variations, and rare styles of orthography and artistic embellishment

This guy, Puin, a specialist in Arabic caligraphy and Koranic paleography finds these differences in the Qu'ran that no one else was able to find Man, even the diggers who supposedly put the partchments in bags and put them away could have seen differences. I finished reading the Qur'an when I was four years old and I've probably read it in its completion probably over 50x since then.I could have seen a difference. I don't need a non-Muslim expert from Germany to come and tell me that.

 

[Lawnchair Bes]

lol what? Do you think I represent all Muslims? Do you come on here and condemn all negative Albanian actions?

yes bro, louder than the actions of any other group. the same reason that i always point out when juventus plays bad, or why i looked like someone who hates del peiro for such a long time. ask alen or cronos or anyone who was involved in the kosovo independence thread.

i also remember when someone (i believe it was you) who said that muslim albanians are trying to change countries like holland and i pointed out that i have nothing in common with those people. the guy's death, all because of a work of art, is in part the responsibility of memeber of a suppossedly religion of peace and you another member of same religion are excusing it.

 

[Seven]

You know, I think I'm actually part of the only people in the entire world who cannot link their own failure to either racism or discrimination. I'm a 21 year old white European agnostic man FFS. Doesn't that just suck? What am I going to do if I'm not good at my job and get fired?