"Your Faith is a Joke" (4 Viewers)

[Bjerknes]

I hate to have to keep saying this every time a religious topic is discussed but belief in God is not a scientific hypothesis. Philosophical? Yes. Personal? Probably. Scientific? Absolutely not.

Here's why. Science is based on the principle of testable observation. A scientist comes up with a hypothesis and conducts an experiment to test it's validity. The question of God's existence, epistemological questions, moralistic questions, and anything to do with the subject of philosophy cannot be empirically verified by definition.

But that's exactly why religion is nonsense. You can't prove a God exists either way, so why waste your life on it?

The answer is obviously: delusion.

2-Then you should also not force the muslims to respect homosexuality,because simply they don't believe in it.

You don't have to respect homosexuality, but you shouldn't stone those who partake in it. That's what Muslims do. They don't respect freedom of choice. They force beliefs on other people.

So your response means you aren't understanding the point here.

 

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[Zé Tahir]

But that's exactly why religion is nonsense. You can't prove a God exists either way, so why waste your life on it?

The answer is obviously: delusion.



You don't have to respect homosexuality, but you shouldn't stone those who partake in it. That's what Muslims do. They don't respect freedom of choice. They force beliefs on other people.

So your response means you aren't understanding the point here.

You know, better job opportunities (economical reasons) aren't the only reason why Muslims leave their countries. I'd say the biggest reason is the ill-treatment they received at home. There really is no other reason why you see taxi drivers in New York and Toronto that have medical and engineering degrees from their home countries. They bust their ass off doing just about anything because it's better than living at home.

What astonishes a lot of people is why after all that they still obsess about where they came from and still chose to continue worshiping the same religion which was used as a tool to oppress them.

 

[rounder]

But that's exactly why religion is nonsense. You can't prove a God exists either way, so why waste your life on it?

The answer is obviously: delusion.

Says who?


When was it decided that every truth in this universe can only be valid if it's scientifically proven? What about knowledge that is not scientifically verifiable?

 

[Seven]

nazis and commies did/do the same without religion

Not quite. An ideology can almost become a religion if it is so firmly believed in. Nazism and communism shared quite a few things with religion.

 

[GordoDeCentral]

Not quite. An ideology can almost become a religion if it is so firmly believed in. Nazism and communism shared quite a few things with religion.

we had this conversation before religion and ideology are 2 distinct concepts, and by that loose logic atheism too is a religion

 

[Eddy]

Says who?


When was it decided that every truth in this universe can only be valid if it's scientifically proven? What about knowledge that is not scientifically verifiable?

Astral Projection.

 

[ßöмßäяðîëя]

no evil is a religious concept, philosophically theres no such thing, where do you then draw the line? more good for whom more bad for whom? It's a joke

No it isn't...

evil |ˈēvəl|
adjective
profoundly immoral and malevolent

 

[rounder]

Astral Projection.

Yes, among many other things. Interestingly, sometimes even science is not scientifically verifiable. Take the theory of relativity for example, or anything to do with contemporary cosmology, Mathematics, Evolution, string theory, the subconscious, and the list goes on.

 

[rounder]

No it isn't...

evil |ˈēvəl|
adjective
profoundly immoral and malevolent

Do atheists believe that evil exists?

Can you give me an example of someone who you think is evil, and why?

 

[GordoDeCentral]

No it isn't...

evil |ˈēvəl|
adjective
profoundly immoral and malevolent

:whispers: you re coming off a bit dumb using a dictionary in this context.

 

[Lapa]

I think I'm in love with you Andy. :wub:

 

[swag]

we had this conversation before religion and ideology are 2 distinct concepts, and by that loose logic atheism too is a religion

I'm not so sure about that. One person's ideology is another person's religion.

I've always seen athiesm as a flavor of any set of religious beliefs, much like how you can argue that black is color (or white, if you're talking light rather than pigment). As with religion, athiesm isn't even an absolute and has many shades.

 

[GordoDeCentral]

I'm not so sure about that. One person's ideology is another person's religion.

I've always seen athiesm as a flavor of any set of religious beliefs, much like how you can argue that black is color (or white, if you're talking light rather than pigment). As with religion, athiesm isn't even an absolute and has many shades.

religion requires existence of a tradition, practices and the supernatural; ideology? not necessarily. Its like saying if some says "i follow serie A religiously" then thats his religion, very loose association. And my atheism example was to reinforce that notion. however i dont consider atheism to be able to carry many shades as logically something cant both exist and not exist.

 

[swag]

religion requires existence of a tradition, practices and the supernatural; ideology? not necessarily. Its like saying if some says "i follow serie A religiously" then thats his religion, very loose association. And my atheism example was to reinforce that notion. however i dont consider atheism to be able to carry many shades as logically something cant both exist and not exist.

Oh, but there's a natural history of athiesm. There are its historical advocates, its heroes. And humans aren't binary, whether that comes to their atheism, devout fundamental Judaism, heterosexuality, or whatever. There's a continuum.

And we have religions that are invented out of nowhere (e.g., John Smith + magic underpants = instant Mormonism!).

 

[ßöмßäяðîëя]

Do atheists believe that evil exists?

Can you give me an example of someone who you think is evil, and why?

Of course, evil is something that exists in humanity, it is a part of who people are. Most people, deep down, are good. Others just want to watch the world burn...

Kim Jong Il

He controls the free will of his people.

:whispers: you re coming off a bit dumb using a dictionary in this context.

Not really.

 

[rounder]

Of course, evil is something that exists in humanity, it is a part of who people are. Most people, deep down, are good. Others just want to watch the world burn...

Kim Jong Il

He controls the free will of his people.

Okay, what about those who admired and loved this Kim Jong II person; would they say he's evil?

 

[ßöмßäяðîëя]

Fuck Qatar and fuck religion...

 

[ßöмßäяðîëя]

Okay, what about those who admired and loved this Kim Jong II person; would they say he's evil?

If they weren't brainwashed or societally manipulated or controlled by media, yes, they would.

 

[Enron]

Okay, what about those who admired and loved this Kim Jong II person; would they say he's evil?

Actually, Kim Jong II is not a person in North Korea. He's considered a living god.

 

[Gustav]

Fuck Qatar and fuck religion...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qamMjFSZqGI&feature=related

"Religion" is a Western concept after all.