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fucking great.
Juve admit Alonso interest
Wednesday 28 May, 2008
Juventus President Giovanni Cobolli Gigli has underlined the club's desire to sign Liverpool midfielder Xabi Alonso.
The 26-year-old Spanish international has been repeatedly linked with the Bianconeri as they look to bolster the squad ahead of next season.
“I cannot deny that he interests us, but there is always a problem,” stated the Old Lady chief.
Alonso's agent Inaki Ibanez is believed to have been in Turin this morning to iron out a deal.
The Italian Press has reported that the Anfield star is prepared to accept a four-year contract worth £2.7m a season.
“We want value for money and he costs too much. Our director general Jean-Claude Blanc is working on it,” explained Cobolli Gigli
Liverpool are said to want £19m for the Champions League winner, who has been central to the Reds since joining the club four years ago.
Juventus have had a number of problems in the middle this season after last year's signings Tiago Mendes and Sergio Almiron failed to make the grade.
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Wednesday 28 May, 2008
Juventus President Giovanni Cobolli Gigli has underlined the club's desire to sign Liverpool midfielder Xabi Alonso.
The 26-year-old Spanish international has been repeatedly linked with the Bianconeri as they look to bolster the squad ahead of next season.
“I cannot deny that he interests us, but there is always a problem,” stated the Old Lady chief.
Alonso's agent Inaki Ibanez is believed to have been in Turin this morning to iron out a deal.
The Italian Press has reported that the Anfield star is prepared to accept a four-year contract worth £2.7m a season.
“We want value for money and he costs too much. Our director general Jean-Claude Blanc is working on it,” explained Cobolli Gigli
Liverpool are said to want £19m for the Champions League winner, who has been central to the Reds since joining the club four years ago.
Juventus have had a number of problems in the middle this season after last year's signings Tiago Mendes and Sergio Almiron failed to make the grade.
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my reasoning is following:
20 million euro is very much money
to justify a transfer fee that high i player would have to have following attributes:
- increase the quality of the team he joins significantly
- is likely to enhance the way the team plays
- is likely to change the game into something countable (goals or assists)
- is still a keyplayer in his current club
- is regarded as "star" in his league (not the star, but at least one of the top ten players of the league)
as far as my evaluation goes alonso has following attributes:
- does not increase the first eleven as much as vargas would (just as an example) if we bought him for molinaro. i just want to point out, that our central midfield is not really a weak spot ... zanetti and sissoko would perhaps be just 10% to 15% less efficient
- is he gonna enhance our game ? there were games, we just tried the long ball from defence into the attack ... if we did this again, we would not need a midfielder, because he just would watch the ball fly over his head again and again ... are we going to play long balls (that seems to be xabis speciality) from the midfield into the front/attack ? i don't think so ... for this type of play we would need really fast attackers which he just don't have (we wont bring iaquinta in, just to play long balls)! so basically alonso will have to play short balls the most ... and in this technique he is probable no better then camoranesi or even zanetti. remember that the teams we struggled against were the ones that sat in their own box with 9 players ... how is someone who plays long balls going be our saviour in these situations ... it is the easiest thing for defenders to just head away those long balls
- is he going to bring something you can count ... goals or assists ? i really don't think so ... perhaps 3 assists and a goal per season would not satisfy this high price imo. in the last 3 years xabi played over 80 games, scoring 9 goals, assisting 1 goal and scoring one own goal ... does not read as if we can expect anything countable from him ... perhaps our play would look more beautiful, but i do not think we will score more goals with him, than if zanetti played on that position ... remember the two great assists zanetti gave to del piero ... so obviously if needed (when on the counter attack) we got people that have sufficent skills to play those balls ... but this skill is not that often needed because the teams we struggle against, wont run into a counter attack
- i do not know if xabi is still a key player in liverpool, but if he was they would not think about selling him. who plays in his position mascherano ? if xabi was not that valuable that a almost only defensively minded player can take his place ... than how much were this beautiful passes from alonso appreciated ? i guess they did not bring much in liverpool either
- i guess nobody would call alonsos name, if asked about the 10 best players in the premier league ...
don't get me wrong ... i like the idea of signing him, but i think a price tag of 10 to 15 million euro would be more sensible ...
i rate alonso as high as sissoko ... so what alonso does not have defensively he got playing his long balls
20 million euro is very much money
to justify a transfer fee that high i player would have to have following attributes:
- increase the quality of the team he joins significantly
- is likely to enhance the way the team plays
- is likely to change the game into something countable (goals or assists)
- is still a keyplayer in his current club
- is regarded as "star" in his league (not the star, but at least one of the top ten players of the league)
as far as my evaluation goes alonso has following attributes:
- does not increase the first eleven as much as vargas would (just as an example) if we bought him for molinaro. i just want to point out, that our central midfield is not really a weak spot ... zanetti and sissoko would perhaps be just 10% to 15% less efficient
- is he gonna enhance our game ? there were games, we just tried the long ball from defence into the attack ... if we did this again, we would not need a midfielder, because he just would watch the ball fly over his head again and again ... are we going to play long balls (that seems to be xabis speciality) from the midfield into the front/attack ? i don't think so ... for this type of play we would need really fast attackers which he just don't have (we wont bring iaquinta in, just to play long balls)! so basically alonso will have to play short balls the most ... and in this technique he is probable no better then camoranesi or even zanetti. remember that the teams we struggled against were the ones that sat in their own box with 9 players ... how is someone who plays long balls going be our saviour in these situations ... it is the easiest thing for defenders to just head away those long balls
- is he going to bring something you can count ... goals or assists ? i really don't think so ... perhaps 3 assists and a goal per season would not satisfy this high price imo. in the last 3 years xabi played over 80 games, scoring 9 goals, assisting 1 goal and scoring one own goal ... does not read as if we can expect anything countable from him ... perhaps our play would look more beautiful, but i do not think we will score more goals with him, than if zanetti played on that position ... remember the two great assists zanetti gave to del piero ... so obviously if needed (when on the counter attack) we got people that have sufficent skills to play those balls ... but this skill is not that often needed because the teams we struggle against, wont run into a counter attack
- i do not know if xabi is still a key player in liverpool, but if he was they would not think about selling him. who plays in his position mascherano ? if xabi was not that valuable that a almost only defensively minded player can take his place ... than how much were this beautiful passes from alonso appreciated ? i guess they did not bring much in liverpool either
- i guess nobody would call alonsos name, if asked about the 10 best players in the premier league ...
don't get me wrong ... i like the idea of signing him, but i think a price tag of 10 to 15 million euro would be more sensible ...
i rate alonso as high as sissoko ... so what alonso does not have defensively he got playing his long balls
I appreciate the time and effort you took to answer my question; though thorough and accurate to some extent, It really fails to tie the player value to a dollar/euro mark but for one instance- the comparaison with sissoko. The only way to figure that element out, which you touched on, is precedence. Regardless of team impact a player's monetary worth(price) as any other commodity is strictly dictated by supply and demand and comparative prior sales. Now if what we re talking about is our budget and ability or inability to pay a certain amount for player X has no bearing on his worth, as if that worth is true to the market someone else will get him.
So, in your reasoning, name us a player you think would fit each and every criterion we're looking for in a partner for Sissoko. And not just any partner; someone who can pass the ball because that is what we need more than anyone else right now.
Who is it? Who fits the bill? If Xabi is too expensive, supposedly not need by Liverpool, not capable of producing much statistics-wise, and overrated, which player should we look for then?
Who is it? Who fits the bill? If Xabi is too expensive, supposedly not need by Liverpool, not capable of producing much statistics-wise, and overrated, which player should we look for then?
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