World Cup 2018 LIVE thread (46 Viewers)

[Bianconero_Aus]

My boss was saying that Sampaoli looks like a brick layer or construction worker from south Philly and started making an Italian accent mockingly he’s so right. How the fuck did this guy become a coach?

That’s so fucken true

 

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[Cerval]

It doesn't only apply to this case. I think overall people seem to do that. It over simplifies football. There's many things that matter more. Yet your overall football fan always thinks change this or that player and everything is fixed.

Argentina have more than enough of individual talent to make it through this group, yet it seems Iceland stand a better chance of making it at the moment. Why do you think that is? Because they picked the right players?

When I watch this Argentina I see a deeply dysfunctional team. They don't defend to together, they don't attack together. You can hardly expect good results when such simple things aren't there.

Good post

 

[zizinho]

It doesn't only apply to this case. I think overall people seem to do that. It over simplifies football. There's many things that matter more. Yet your overall football fan always thinks change this or that player and everything is fixed.

Argentina have more than enough of individual talent to make it through this group, yet it seems Iceland stand a better chance of making it at the moment. Why do you think that is? Because they picked the right players?

When I watch this Argentina I see a deeply dysfunctional team. They don't defend to together, they don't attack together. You can hardly expect good results when such simple things aren't there.

they looked like that for a while now (Mascherano singlehandily held the team together), but atleast they were always a threat on the other side. now Sampaoli is trying to make them a defensive stable team, and thinks Messi alone will do the job upfront. it results in teams pressing them and exposing their mediocre backline and midfield, because they lack players that can carry the ball forward and distribute it. i mean, player selection wouldnt fix all of it, but a midfield of Banega-Paredes-Lo Celso over what they fielded today certainly helps improve some crucial things they sucked at so far

 

[il brutto]

they looked like that for a while now (Mascherano singlehandily held the team together), but atleast they were always a threat on the other side. now Sampaoli is trying to make them a defensive stable team, and thinks Messi alone will do the job upfront. it results in teams pressing them and exposing their mediocre backline and midfield, because they lack players that can carry the ball forward and distribute it. i mean, player selection wouldnt fix all of it, but a midfield of Banega-Paredes-Lo Celso over what they fielded today certainly helps improve some crucial things they sucked at so far

The problem is you need to go 1-2 years back to make that work. You can't just throw a midfield together for the WC that has never played together and hope it solves all your problems. Sampaoli may well be a bust as an Argentina coach but he really didn't have the time on his side either. The writing was already on the wall during their qualifiers. Sampaoli didn't make Argentina shit, they were already shit before.

 

[Post Ironic]

Shut up

Remember all the times Afghan talks about how much more Messi does on the pitch. Not much evidence of that lately. Doesn't score, doesn't assist, doesn't create chances... Has he become a ball-winning, hard-tackling, engine of a CM?

Messi is a little garden gnome that has to have the perfect team built around him in order to succeed.

 

[Afghan_juventus]

Remember all the times Afghan talks about how much more Messi does on the pitch. Not much evidence of that lately. Doesn't score, doesn't assist, doesn't create chances... Has he become a ball-winning, hard-tackling, engine of a CM?

Messi is a little garden gnome that has to have the perfect team built around him in order to succeed.

He’s put in a Ronaldo with the goals esque performance so far cannot lie

 

[swag]

He’s put in a Ronaldo with the goals esque performance so far cannot lie

Cartoon making the rounds here in Portugal.

 

[Post Ironic]

Argentina's defense and mid is really mediocre imo. They have plenty of attacking talent though.

And a shite coach.

How is a midfield with the legendary GOAT mediocre?

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Cartoon making the rounds here in Portugal.

 

[CrimsonianKing]

Cartoon making the rounds here in Portugal.

My wife sent me that earlier today too damn funny

 

[Afghan_juventus]

Sampaoli was actually pretty good at Sevilla before the Leicester loss I’m the CL. I’m pretty sure they were second ahead of Barca for majority of the season and beat Madrid

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Cartoon making the rounds here in Portugal.

That was pretty good lol

 

[CrimsonianKing]

Remember all the times Afghan talks about how much more Messi does on the pitch. Not much evidence of that lately. Doesn't score, doesn't assist, doesn't create chances... Has he become a ball-winning, hard-tackling, engine of a CM?

Messi is a little garden gnome that has to have the perfect team built around him in order to succeed.

He can’t do shit outside his comfort zone.

 

[zizinho]

The problem is you need to go 1-2 years back to make that work. You can't just throw a midfield together for the WC that has never played together and hope it solves all your problems. Sampaoli may well be a bust as an Argentina coach but he really didn't have the time on his side either. The writing was already on the wall during their qualifiers. Sampaoli didn't make Argentina shit, they were already shit before.

but thats his problem then. he should have tried to install a team culture from the get go, instead of being happy with barely scrapping by shit teams in the SA qualifiers. it has come to bite him in the ass at the end, and hes gonna be remembered as nothing but a failure in his homeland

 

[Post Ironic]

nah, the narrative would be the opposite in bench scenario, namely that the team played shitty because he wasn't on

3 major international finals for Argentina and Messi didn't create a single good chance. Didn't score, no assists. The Higuain bad misses, none of them were created by Messi. WC and Copa 2016 were massive defensive blunders giving the ball to Higgy, and Copa 2015 was a Lavezzi cross. Messi has literally been incognito. But the media blames Higgy for his misses and ignores the fact Messi has been walking around the pitch like a passenger. Both of them have been trash. But one is the supposed GOAT, and the other is a fat guy.

 

[il brutto]

but thats his problem then. he should have tried to install a team culture from the get go, instead of being happy with barely scrapping by shit teams in the SA qualifiers. it has come to bite him in the ass at the end, and hes gonna be remembered as nothing but a failure in his homeland

Agreed and I think that's fair. His job was to make a shit team better, he failed. At least has failed thus far.

 

[lgorTudor]

3 major international finals for Argentina and Messi didn't create a single good chance. Didn't score, no assists. The Higuain bad misses, none of them were created by Messi. WC and Copa 2016 were massive defensive blunders giving the ball to Higgy, and Copa 2015 was a Lavezzi cross. Messi has literally been incognito. But the media blames Higgy for his misses and ignores the fact Messi has been walking around the pitch like a passenger. Both of them have been trash. But one is the supposed GOAT, and the other is a fat guy.

not just a fat guy but our key to SMS

 

[Post Ironic]

He can’t do shit outside his comfort zone.

Guys like Zidane, Platini, Maradona, Ronaldo, etc. even C. Ronaldo can slot into most teams, most styles of play, and help their team dominate.

Messi post-Guardiola (+ prime Xavi and Iniesta) demands the entire team play for him, take all attacking movement through him, allow him to dominate the ball whenever he asks for it. When the perfect team playing that one single Messi-centric style isn't built around him, his teams are easy to stop.

 

[Quetzalcoatl]

Cartoon making the rounds here in Portugal.

 

[CrimsonianKing]

3 major international finals for Argentina and Messi didn't create a single good chance. Didn't score, no assists. The Higuain bad misses, none of them were created by Messi. WC and Copa 2016 were massive defensive blunders giving the ball to Higgy, and Copa 2015 was a Lavezzi cross. Messi has literally been incognito. But the media blames Higgy for his misses and ignores the fact Messi has been walking around the pitch like a passenger. Both of them have been trash. But one is the supposed GOAT, and the other is a fat guy.

Messi is just a really good player who was in the right place at the right time. Barcelona’s system, with the help of smart playmakers like Iniesta and Xavi, dominated the world for a while. Messi took great advantage on that.

Plus modern football and it’s shit defenses and soft physical play/protection from refs helped him score like crazy. Anytime he ever plays outside of Barcelona he’s a fish out of the water.

Sure, stats wise him and Ronaldo are pretty equal, but one is the kind of true talent that shines anywhere in any situation like all the great players of the past. Messi is and will always be limited to his comfort zone.

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Guys like Zidane, Platini, Maradona, Ronaldo, etc. even C. Ronaldo can slot into most teams, most styles of play, and help their team dominate.

Messi post-Guardiola (+ prime Xavi and Iniesta) demands the entire team play for him, take all attacking movement through him, allow him to dominate the ball whenever he asks for it. When the perfect team playing that one single Messi-centric style isn't built around him, his teams are easy to stop.

Basically what I just said.

 

[Afghan_juventus]

Guys like Zidane, Platini, Maradona, Ronaldo, etc. even C. Ronaldo can slot into most teams, most styles of play, and help their team dominate.

Messi post-Guardiola (+ prime Xavi and Iniesta) demands the entire team play for him, take all attacking movement through him, allow him to dominate the ball whenever he asks for it. When the perfect team playing that one single Messi-centric style isn't built around him, his teams are easy to stop.

I would have said this applies to both Messi and Ronaldo however Ronaldo is proving that wrong this world cup

 

[Klovn]

Remember all the times Afghan talks about how much more Messi does on the pitch. Not much evidence of that lately. Doesn't score, doesn't assist, doesn't create chances... Has he become a ball-winning, hard-tackling, engine of a CM?

Messi is a little garden gnome that has to have the perfect team built around him in order to succeed.