Wishlist and General Juve winter mercato talk (2013-14) (13 Viewers)

[GarfielD]

I like what Im seeing here.

 

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[GordoDeCentral]

ya correa is very promising, paredes has been out for a while now, and de paul is the school i went to so yes bring him

 

[Mark]

and then you have all those young Dutch talents...

 

[Zacheryah]

and then you have all those young Dutch talents...

Who are not the type of player we need so they are irrelevant

 

[Mark]

a bit "soft"?

 

[GordoDeCentral]

and then you have all those young Dutch talents...

this what we need

 

[Mark]

The guy's on fire!

 

[GordoDeCentral]

i was talking about the one doing the crossing, but yes el puma is doing great

 

[Mark]

The new Ansaldi?

 

[Zacheryah]

a bit "soft"?

If i think "winger" and "juventus" in the same line, then i tink of players like Hulk(at porto), Sanchez (at udinese), lavezzi (at napoli)

Strong, extremely quick, aggressive, pressing, dribbeling, endproduct.

Dutch players, thats lightweight, fast, passing dribbeling crossing, but defensively hopeless

 

[Hist]

LWB and vice pirlo should be our priority still if you ask me. I think we'll continue to play it cheap by sticking to the 3-5-2 and varying on that on rare occasions atleast for a couple of years until we harvest the investments we made and become a financial powerhorse (new kits, new sponsor, stadium rights, fan base increase, the colasa project or whatever its called etc..). Then and only then will the CL be a real target of ours.

 

[Joe]

Youth. Sign all the youth.

 

[Bianconero81]

Anything is possible because we've sold Zidane and Baggio in the past.

You are finally beginning to understand

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If i think "winger" and "juventus" in the same line, then i tink of players like Hulk(at porto), Sanchez (at udinese), lavezzi (at napoli)

Strong, extremely quick, aggressive, pressing, dribbeling, endproduct.

Dutch players, thats lightweight, fast, passing dribbeling crossing, but defensively hopeless

I never liked him, but he was a beast in his Porto days; hasn't been quite himself for about 2 years now.

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I'd like the following :

As conte currently states, we cannot play 4-3-3 because its a pathetic easely countered formation, but also because he doesnt have simone pepe to make it much better then it would actually be.

I'd like to see us transition in a 4-2-3-1 slowly, and juventus partially got the players for that, and then some.
Currently, the only thing we are really missing, are the wide midfielders. But we need to remember the juventus style, and copy a bit from bayern.

What do we got ?

Goalkeeper
We got someone who was once a goalkeeper, and still is when he isnt stiff from petanque.

defence
Needs a 4man backline and we can offer it.
Lichtsteiner and Ogbonna on the flank. Both need to back up the wide midfielders and will do excellently. Why ogbonna ? currently he is very good when we play teams parking the bus, when he can push up the play, be physically good for the space in his back and has pretty good passing for a defender. Lichtsteiner has the same thing going, and added to that has his marauding runs.
As central pairing there is choise of barzagli, chiellini and bonucci, excellent players, who can be picked depending on opponent and referee.

Licht-barzagli-chiellini-ogbonna is a very strong complete and physically imposing backline. Caceres, peluso and bonucci are good replacements. less solid but add more to the offensive.

the holding midfielders
Vidal-pogba
Seriously, just remember the madrid game. rock fucking solid. And pogba can build the play from the back. Not as good as pirlo, but pogba is much more complete then pirlo at this point and could rise to become as good as pirlo was in terms of overall quality and value to the team, if not more.

We got excellent dept here. Asamoah comes to mind. Also marchisio if he isnt further up the field. THis change in holding midfielders, eliminates the need for a regista. Thanks to pogba.

The wide midfielders

Yeah, this is the problem. aint got any. truth be told, conte's 4-3-3 was actually more a 4-5-1. Pepe is more a midfielder as a winger. This position is where we have the issue. Ideally, we'd like a player with high agression and workrate, but also creatively excellent cause both need to replace pirlo's creativity.

Lavezzi, and sanchez (pure exemplary)

Both players got high agression, high workrate. Dont mind to defend all the way to their own cornerflag. Both prefer to press from certain area's. both have excellent defensive and tactical qualities relevant to the position.
But once in possession, both are fast (critical here), both have a good dribble, a good cross and can score goals themselves.
THE ideal player for this position (wel actually, thats gareth bale but nvm)



the CAM/trequartista/creative SS

Wel this depends really. Can play marchisio there against strong opponents. Can play tevez there to. Considering no pirlo, preferably tevez.
It would truely give him all the options with all that space, wide midfielders to connect with and a lone forward to pass it to

The lone forward

For us currently, that would be Llorente, or tevez. But really a llorente that finds his form, and he was pretty improving against real, would be so excellent here. yeah, we could play tevez here if marchisio is at the SS, but thats mostly a "fuck you we dont want to play game" formation


Summary

buffon
licht - barzagli - chiellini - ogbonna
vidal - pogba
lavezzi - tevez - sanchez
llorente​

i know, we aint nearly got the cash for those two guys. but its just an example based on their qualities and playstyle

Admit it. You'd all love it !

+Rep A very balanced post. Why can't you be like this more often? (I'd rather someone else than Ogbonna @ LB tbh).

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Ogbonna at LB? Just no.

The rest is great, although not realistic. Menez and Lavezzi is more realistic, but still far away from it.

Buffon
Lich - Barza - Giorgio - Coentrao
Pogba - Vidal
Menez - Tevez - Lavezzi
Llorente​

Not bat. But i will prefer this:

Buffon
Lich - Barza - Giorgio - Coentrao
Vidal - Hernanes - Pogba
Kagawa
Tevez - Llorente​

I like those formations you proposed. Too bad it is never likely to happen

 

[ZoSo]

(end of season)

out:
marchisio
islaturd
de ceglie
giostinko
pirlo

in:
hernanes
nainggolan
right winger
coentrao/lulic/radu/kolarov

 

[Badass J Elkann]

this what we need

SANCHEZ MINOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!

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The new Ansaldi?

no it's the alternative plan to Ansaldi aka Operation Sanchez Mino!!!

 

[Suns]

Lavezzi and Sanchez as wingers? C'mon Zach, you know better than that. Those two guys in Conte's mind are strikers just like Giovinco or Vucinic and he'd never put them on the wing and give them the responsibilities he demands on defense.

 

[donpiero]

Lavezzi and Sanchez as wingers? C'mon Zach, you know better than that. Those two guys in Conte's mind are strikers just like Giovinco or Vucinic and he'd never put them on the wing and give them the responsibilities he demands on defense.

one of them has to be someone like Kuba Blaczikowski of bvb.

 

[j0ker]

Between Iturbe and Cuadrado who would you guys chose? I know Cuadrado is more proven and better player right now but also is 5 years older and probably harder to get.

 

[Nzoric]

Iturbe is going to be the next big thing. I dont think he is any easier to get, iirc he is owned by Porto?

 

[Zacheryah]

Lavezzi and Sanchez as wingers? C'mon Zach, you know better than that. Those two guys in Conte's mind are strikers just like Giovinco or Vucinic and he'd never put them on the wing and give them the responsibilities he demands on defense.

If they are strikers in his mind, then its a 45-3-3 in his mind. Wich is what he did 2 years ago

Thing is, in terms of presssing, aggression and workrate, both sanchez and lavezzi are much superior to vucinic, even rivalling pepe.


But one mistake you cannot make is name giovinco in the same phrase with those 3.

Giovinco is a pure offensive winger. Offers nothing in defence. Vucinic runs and presses as asked. Lavezzi and sanchez press and work like mad. That is whats making the major diffrence.

When conte says "bitches please i cant switch to 4-3-3 cause of the pepe", what he actually means is "i dont have wingers with high workrate, pressing and aggression".

Wich is why i name sanchez and lavezzi as examples.

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(end of season)

out:
marchisio
islaturd
de ceglie
giostinko
pirlo

in:
hernanes
nainggolan
right winger
coentrao/lulic/radu/kolarov

wow man, that would significantly decrease the quality of the team

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I never liked him, but he was a beast in his Porto days; hasn't been quite himself for about 2 years now.


+Rep A very balanced post. Why can't you be like this more often? (I'd rather someone else than Ogbonna @ LB tbh).


I like those formations you proposed. Too bad it is never likely to happen

Well, consider his Porto past. Then look at Chelsea. Diffrent playstyle could be the cause.
Same with sanchez and lavezzi tbh.

Ogbonna well thats basically the asamoah story. Ogbonna has the essential qualities for the position, and can be trained in positionning itself. its not his natural position but remember chiellini was supposed to be a fullback too. ogbonna offers strenght and pace, hard to dribble, good passing. he's excellent at pushing up the line. he'd be excellent behind the workhorse winger.
Simular to asamoah now, who is a defensive winger thats damn good at it, despite not offering many offensive endproducts. those are secundary anyway. sadly tuz doesnt know the diffrence between defensive and regular wingers.



that formation is much to offensive imo

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one of them has to be someone like Kuba Blaczikowski of bvb.

well sure, as long as they offer the neccecary qualities

workrate, pressing, defensively above average, fast, can get past player and eighter good crosser, or good at cutting inside.