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rakib567

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brightest prospect from argentina

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Why would Torino swap their best player against Giovinco? ok if we offered alot of money between. We should focus on finding talents before they go to a big club. The market in South America for example, they have so many talents there, especially offensive ones. Let's gamble more, Milan got Thiago Silva, Pato, Kaka from there. For small money compared to what they did for the club, Pato was a flop but the rest did amazing things. At the time they had Leonardo ofcourse who hade great insight in the brazilian football.
if you go with that theory then berardi must come to juve next theory and hopefully he will develop just like pogba did with us.
 

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Bjerknes

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Remember how much Barzagli, Pirlo and Tevez cost us, along with Pogba, Llorente, Vidal, Lichtsteiner, etc. I don't see a problem with our recruitment policy, we have always made champions.
You don't see a problem with it, but it's still a major problem. Do you ever think critically about any situation?
 

AOD4

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In france, more specifically in Paris and his name is Menez

Better more in Buenos Aires Argentina there's a brilliant left sided player called Sanchez Mino
I cant remember if Marotta signed anyone from the South America market. He practically ignores them completely.

If this happens, we would be short or a RB. Wondering what position Caceres would play in Man U though.
 

Dostoevsky

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Depends on whether there is any real interest in playing with a back four.

If Juve are sticking with a back three, I could see the sense in replacing Caceres with Ranocchia.
Exactly what I was thinking. If we do get Ranocchia that pretty much seems like sticking to 3-5-2 next season. Seeing Asamoah do great at his new position I don't think Conte plans to change anything. Our midfield is pretty much well formed and playing Tevez out wide doesn't make much sense. The more time it passes the less I believe we're gonna change the formation.
 

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It's also Pirlo renewing (and reportedly on a big enough wage that he's going to remain a central player).

It all points to 3-5-2 remaining the focus and I don't think that's a bad idea.

I do think it's important that Juve sign a player who can play either as a forward in the 3-5-2 or as a winger so as to ensure there is some tactical flexiibility if Conta wants to play 4-3-3 in the odd game.

Cerci fits that, in playing style at least.
 

Dostoevsky

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It's also Pirlo renewing (and reportedly on a big enough wage that he's going to remain a central player).

It all points to 3-5-2 remaining the focus and I don't think that's a bad idea.

I do think it's important that Juve sign a player who can play either as a forward in the 3-5-2 or as a winger so as to ensure there is some tactical flexiibility if Conta wants to play 4-3-3 in the odd game.

Cerci fits that, in playing style at least.
I don't think Pirlo is such an important factor because I believe he'd fit into any 3 man midfield if we still have Pogba, Vidal and Marchisio at our disposal.

Yeah. I think we're gonna chase one of Cuadrado or Cerci and sign Menez for free.
 

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Think if you were to play Pirlo in a 4-3-3 now, you'd have to have one of the full-backs playing very defensively or you'd be in danger of being very vulnerable to counter-attacks.

You could cover Pirlo with the other midfielders, but they are so productive goin forward that you really don't want to limit them in that regard.

Of course, if a full-back plays very defensively, the system will probably end up having a lot in common with 3-5-2 and you would end up wondering what the point is in changing things.
 

Dostoevsky

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Think if you were to play Pirlo in a 4-3-3 now, you'd have to have one of the full-backs playing very defensively or you'd be in danger of being very vulnerable to counter-attacks.

You could cover Pirlo with the other midfielders, but they are so productive goin forward that you really don't want to limit them in that regard.

Of course, if a full-back plays very defensively, the system will probably end up having a lot in common with 3-5-2 and you would end up wondering what the point is in changing things.
No doubt about that. I was looking at our current situation where I'd count on Licht to cover the right and Asamoah to cover the left side as a LB. I personally think it would work well in order to cover Pirlo's fragile abilities. I don't think it would looking anything close to 3-5-2 if we had 2 offensive wingers up front. We'd have the needed width and we can be more effective when it comes to counter attacks and feeding Llorente with crosses -- something we don't do with this formation. Then again, I don't think we should put on the bench neither Tevez nor Llorente, which makes the formation totally different, not to say useless.
 

Ocelot

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The problem is that with our current squad it would be way too expensive to really convert to a 4-3-3 as our main formation. We'd need players who can both play in a 4-3-3 and 3-5-2, and there are not many players who fit that description, which is why Cerci, Berardi and maybe Cuadrado (don't know this for sure, but isn't he also able to play as a wingback?) make so much sense.
 

rakib567

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we should abandon the 352 for all and stick to 433 for the rest of the season both in serie a and champions league. I have never seen an European side that uses 352 on game and a 433 or 4231 in champions league. 433 is actually a better formation than 352 in serie a as it doesn't rely on vidal and pogba to ALWAYS start attacks. in a 433 our box to box midfielders have to do less work and therefore they will be more fit for Europe. I mean just look at the type of football roma are playing with a 433. they are always creating chances and are always in the opponent's box.

433 4ever
 

TheLaz

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If we're to play 433 id definitely prefer a defensive minded midfielder in front of the defense over regista-pirlo who can't defend. A tall, physical yet technically gifted player for CDM is much better then Pirlo. Busquets or Song of Barcelona is the ideal CDM type for 433.

Tevez Llorente Berardi
Marchisio Vidal
Pogba
Asamoah Chiellini Barzagli Lichtsteiner
Buffon​

But then again, Pogba would be wasted at CDM. He should play in Marchisios position..
 

Vialli_92

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If we dont make the switch to a back four next season i will really have lost all hope with Conte, we have no offensive players who take the game to the opponents really. 1 less defender and an extra attacking midfielder will really help with that. Our transition from defence to attack all relies on Pirlo and if he is man marked out of the match we really have no chance.

I dont remember one clear chance on goal against Bayern last season, the only chance came from a Pirlo free kick and that was really it. Copenhagen even though we won 3-1 was still a poor game from us imo, we didn't create that much against them in all honesty we had 2 penalites but only for there bad defending is what got us the penalties.

If we dont start taking the game to the opposition we will never progress in Europe, Mourinho's Inter were quite defensive but they had an unbelievable counter attack and could bully inferior teams to if they didn't want to play defensive. We dont have a counter attack we have no creative spark apart from Pirlo who plays a pretty deep role.

We always play to deep for my liking and make a lot of mistakes in our defensive half, it is cringe worthy to watch us play at times. It was so clear that last season after the Bayern game that to take the next step forward we needed to change formation to a more attacking formation. Conte is just so upsessed with not losing games and not conceding goals that it really screwed us in Europe this season. He is so stubborn and i hope he learned his lesson this season even though last season should have been a wake up call against Bayern when we did not look like scoring over 2 legs.
 

rakib567

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next season we will fail to get cuadrado just like we failed to get higuain and we will get nani. nani will play well and conte will bring him back to his 2011-2012 season form and berardi will explode at juve and become a starter. if quags or giovinco leaves then I see gabbiadini coming in. also I could see someone like menez coming in.


Nani/Berardi-----Llorente/Gabiadini-----Tevez/Menez​
 
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