Wishlist and General Juve mercato talk (2013-14) (45 Viewers)

[Hust]

you are basing this on a sub cameo in yesterday's game?

Would you take him and why?

(apologies if you have said it already, I just haven't seen it)

 

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[GordoDeCentral]

being played out of position all season is bound to have an effect on his form and consistency, i don't think there was many who didn't want him at Juve prior to his move to barca, i think he would suit Juve's system better

just like zlatan

 

[Völler]

just like zlatan

But Zlatan's problem wasn't really that he played badly. It was more the lack of communication and respect between manager and player.

 

[GordoDeCentral]

Lol, no. I have actually seen Barca play more than a few times this season. He was particularly bad in the Malaga coppa game at home. They started him in that game in order to try get his confidence back. Instead he made some Torres-like misses and people literally cursed him to hell when he was subbed off.

well a game and a half and the endorsement of possibly the worst fans out there definitely makes you an expert you are right this guy should definitely cost as much as matri

Would you take him and why?

(apologies if you have said it already, I just haven't seen it)

http://forum.juventuz.org/threads/2...-Juve-thread?p=1848152&viewfull=1#post1848152

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But Zlatan's problem wasn't really that he played badly. It was more the lack of communication and respect between manager and player.

so Zlatan played well for barca?

 

[Hust]

well a game and a half and the endorsement of possibly the worst fans out there definitely makes you an expert you are right this guy should definitely cost as much as matri




http://forum.juventuz.org/threads/2...-Juve-thread?p=1848152&viewfull=1#post1848152

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so Zlatan played well for barca?

Sorta answers my question.

Even if it was like 4 years ago.

 

[Völler]

well a game and a half and the endorsement of possibly the worst fans out there definitely makes you an expert you are right this guy should definitely cost as much as matri


so Zlatan played well for barca?

First of all, don't tell me how many games I have seen Barca played this season. Something tells me I have seen more games than you.

Zlatan wasn't a succes in Barcelona, no. He was good the first couple of months when he played in position, but then he started to get played out of position because Messi wasn't happy. He still wasn't bad there and certainly a lot better than Sanchez is now. Anyway, the main reason why Zlatan didn't work out in Barca was because of his relationship between him and Guardiola while Sanchez isn't working out because he simply isn't good enough for the position.

 

[Trequartista]

First of all, don't tell me how many games I have seen Barca played this season. Something tells me I have seen more games than you.

Are you aware that he's being played wide while he's most effective in a central position, playing as a SS?

He's low on confidence at the moment and he's being played out of position. Considering how good he was for Udinese in 2010-11 when he was playing centrally, I'd buy him without thinking twice.

 

[GordoDeCentral]

First of all, don't tell me how many games I have seen Barca played this season. Something tells me I have seen more games than you.

Zlatan wasn't a succes in Barcelona, no. He was good the first couple of months when he played in position, but then he started to get played out of position because Messi wasn't happy. He still wasn't bad there and certainly a lot better than Sanchez is now. Anyway, the main reason why Zlatan didn't work out in Barca was because of his relationship between him and Guardiola while Sanchez isn't working out because he simply isn't good enough for the position.

you based your whole point on his performance against milan and malaga, and my reply is going to be based off those, surely you are sharp enough to get that.

as for Zlatan, stop tip-toeing and just call his stint there a failure, you are obviously welcome to add in your 2 cents as to why which could very well be argued against, and quite effectively too.

so the simple conclusion is a player's performance in the shadow of messi is hardly an indication of their potential somewhere else as best displayed by our friend Zlatan.

 

[Völler]

Are you aware that he's being played wide while he's most effective in a central position, playing as a SS?

He's low on confidence at the moment and he's being played out of position. Considering how good he was for Udinese in 2010-11 when he was playing centrally, I'd buy him without thinking twice.

Of course I am aware of that. Even if I weren't aware of it before, it would be impossible not to notice it from you guys mentioning it in every Sanchez post.

But again, it's not that I would mind him joining us, I just don't think he's worth +20 mio now.

 

[Enron]

Are you aware that he's being played wide while he's most effective in a central position, playing as a SS?

He's low on confidence at the moment and he's being played out of position. Considering how good he was for Udinese in 2010-11 when he was playing centrally, I'd buy him without thinking twice.

What tactical formation did Udinese use back then?

 

[Trequartista]

What tactical formation did Udinese use back then?

3-5-2/3-5-1-1, with Sanchez playing behind Di Natale.

 

[ALC]

Suarez just scored two goals against Zenit.

 

[Trequartista]

Suarez just scored two goals against Zenit.

He'll cost like 40 million euros at the very least.

 

[Völler]

you based your whole point on his performance against milan and malaga, and my reply is going to be based off those, surely you are sharp enough to get that.

as for Zlatan, stop tip-toeing and just call his stint there a failure, you are obviously welcome to add in your 2 cents as to why which could very well be argued against, and quite effectively too.

so the simple conclusion is a player's performance in the shadow of messi is hardly an indication of their potential somewhere else as best displayed by our friend Zlatan.

Well, first of all I haven't mentioned the Milan game at all. That game wasn't particularly bad from his side, it was just the whole Barca team being bad. When mentioning the Malaga it was just to give you an example to show that I had actually seen him play besides that game. He has been shit the whole season, and that can't be argued.
I guess this is the time I should write "Surely you are sharp enough to get that", but I honestly have a hard time seeing the need for that approach.

Sure, Sanchez could turn out to be a good investment - even for 25-30 mio. But is he worth that amount of money now? Not in my opinion - even when considering him being played OOP and together with Messi. I think we would be better of saving those money, we don't need Sanchez desperately. This is what I'm saying. If we can get him for 15 mio, it might be cheap enough for it to be a good investment in my opinion.

Now, instead of bashing my arguments, I will suggest you to try to come with some counter arguments. So far it has been "So Zlatan played well" and "So you are basing it on 1 game" comments.

 

[ALC]

He'll cost like 40 million euros at the very least.

chyea. still worth it.

 

[TrezJuve]

Sanchez would be a decent buy only if you don't overpay, 18 millions tops.

 

[Zacheryah]

Sanchez, one very important thing has to be considered


He did not play the entire season "out of position". Its not like barcelona uses classic wingers, every time i saw him, he was drafting towards the center. His main issue is that barcelona isnt a counterattacking team.
Sanchez is good for a counter team, but struggles for a team that presses and makes the play
we press and make the play. and a choker thats only good on counters, we allready have at half the size.
yeah, some say he's not that bad, etc.
I'll prefer suarez or jovetic.

and please, stop thinking he'll go for less then 25 mil. the diffrence between him and suarez isnt that big at all financially

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Sanchez would be a decent buy only if you don't overpay, 18 millions tops.

good luck with that

barcelona, 500 mil turnover, not in any need to sell. They just go like "his price is 25mil".

 

[GordoDeCentral]

Well, first of all I haven't mentioned the Milan game at all. That game wasn't particularly bad from his side, it was just the whole Barca team being bad. When mentioning the Malaga it was just to give you an example to show that I had actually seen him play besides that game. He has been shit the whole season, and that can't be argued.
I guess this is the time I should write "Surely you are sharp enough to get that", but I honestly have a hard time seeing the need for that approach.

Sure, Sanchez could turn out to be a good investment - even for 25-30 mio. But is he worth that amount of money now? Not in my opinion - even when considering him being played OOP and together with Messi. I think we would be better of saving those money, we don't need Sanchez desperately. This is what I'm saying. If we can get him for 15 mio, it might be cheap enough for it to be a good investment in my opinion.

Now, instead of bashing my arguments, I will suggest you to try to come with some counter arguments. So far it has been "So Zlatan played well" and "So you are basing it on 1 game" comments.

i actually did counter your argument, hence the change in your tone and and rationale, which i actually have nothign against, just compare the above with:

"Sanchez would be ok for 10-15 mio max. More than that, no thanks. He's just going to make our goal scoring problem bigger... "

 

[j0ker]

the diffrence between him and suarez isnt that big at all financially

I asked a couple of pages back, I'll ask again how much do you think Liverpool will ask for Suarez and what wages?

 

[GordoDeCentral]

I asked a couple of pages back, I'll ask again how much do you think Liverpool will ask for Suarez and what wages?

surely not less than 40 mil