Wishlist and General Juve mercato talk (2013-14) (31 Viewers)
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Simple mathematics 2 vs 1. When you have Alaba, Ribery on one side and Lahm, Robben on the other the best thing to do would be to reinforce the flanks imho or play 442 while defending. In the end it looked like 532 and even more so since our forwards couldn't keep the ball long enough for our WBs to open up.
Matri Quagliarella
Peluso Marchisio Pirlo Vidal Lichtsteiner
Chiellini Bonucci Barzagli
Buffon
Peluso Marchisio Pirlo Vidal Lichtsteiner
Chiellini Bonucci Barzagli
Buffon
That's how we lined up in Munich..
IMO we'd have a much better chance this season, lining up something like this:
Vucinic Tevez
Asamoah Marchisio Pogba Vidal Lichtsteiner
Chielini Ogbonna Barzagli
Buffon
Asamoah Marchisio Pogba Vidal Lichtsteiner
Chielini Ogbonna Barzagli
Buffon
Lets not be oblivious here.
Since ACON, asamoah's form wa pretty bad, chiellini.jus came back from injury, Lichtsteiner was also in bad form causing u to play padoin or isla with little effect.
Look at te chelsea game. Mata and hazard on wings. Ivanovic and cole on the fullbacks.
They got manhandled, by an in form juve.
Since ACON, asamoah's form wa pretty bad, chiellini.jus came back from injury, Lichtsteiner was also in bad form causing u to play padoin or isla with little effect.
Look at te chelsea game. Mata and hazard on wings. Ivanovic and cole on the fullbacks.
They got manhandled, by an in form juve.
The typical excuse of the anti 3-5-2 lobbyist.
No, thats not the case.
In the first game, asamoah was in such bad shape, that peluso started ahead of him. Peluso is decent, but nothing close to the massive beast asamoah was on the flank before ACON, and is now beeing again
Lichtsteiner also at the same time was lacking severely. Same with Chiellini.
The chelsea game showed how good our fullbacks can be. Our biggest issue was out of form fullbacks, and pathetic forwards.
"Lahm and ribery going 2-1 versus lichtsteiner ?"
Sure, barzagli helps licht, vidal closes down aswel, and if they lose the ball, the entire flank is open for tevez to burst into. Do that two times, and the'll think second before committing their defenders.
THAT more then the bad shape was the biggest issue. If you pose a truely pathetic offensive thread, they can just trow the fullback up front, backed by a central defender each time.
And exactly that, is diffrent this season
No, thats not the case.
In the first game, asamoah was in such bad shape, that peluso started ahead of him. Peluso is decent, but nothing close to the massive beast asamoah was on the flank before ACON, and is now beeing again
Lichtsteiner also at the same time was lacking severely. Same with Chiellini.
The chelsea game showed how good our fullbacks can be. Our biggest issue was out of form fullbacks, and pathetic forwards.
"Lahm and ribery going 2-1 versus lichtsteiner ?"
Sure, barzagli helps licht, vidal closes down aswel, and if they lose the ball, the entire flank is open for tevez to burst into. Do that two times, and the'll think second before committing their defenders.
THAT more then the bad shape was the biggest issue. If you pose a truely pathetic offensive thread, they can just trow the fullback up front, backed by a central defender each time.
And exactly that, is diffrent this season
Vs Bayern though, maybe a 3-4-3 or a variant like a 2-1-4-3 work next time? Having extra attacking width that could potentially exploit Bayern committing their fullbacks too far forward too often? In the end, not like Pirlo would be any great loss in that scenario; I mean don't get me wrong, Pirlo is brilliant, a true maestro and a master conductor of great play. However against Bayern he was placed under huge pressure and become utterly impotent, completely unable to have any positive effect on the game, and was, on numerous occasions, a liability for our defence.
You could either play Pogba/Marchisio as the attacking midfielder or use one of Vucinic or Tevez as a quasi-trequartista.
You could either play Pogba/Marchisio as the attacking midfielder or use one of Vucinic or Tevez as a quasi-trequartista.
Not needed. To make life hard for a 4-2-3-1, you need to play with a diamond on the midfield.
And like allways in modern top notch games, you need forwards contributing
3-1-4-1-2 is the way
Play vidal in a deeper attacking mid role, harassing the holding midfieders.
You'll want bonucci and pirlo to counter in the gap behind the fullbacks
And like allways in modern top notch games, you need forwards contributing
3-1-4-1-2 is the way
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Play vidal in a deeper attacking mid role, harassing the holding midfieders.
You'll want bonucci and pirlo to counter in the gap behind the fullbacks
Form is no excuse really. The fact of the matter is that we conceded 4 goals and scored none. We were completely dominated all over and its safe to say that it was a tactical defeat. We badly lacked attacking options wide and when you're playing the best in the world you can't afford to be predictable. We managed to create nothing from the wings and our long balls forward and passes through the middle were easily shut down. A lot of people blame Pirlo's form on our lack of goal scoring opportunities in those games but in truth, we allowed our entire midfield to be shut down by virtue of predictability.
Having defensive wing backs can be useful but it also throws balance out the window - you can't expect other players to compensate. Sometimes the best form of defense is attack and as you could see in that particular tie, our poor creativity on the wings came with serious blow-back. Asamoah and Lichtsteiner are rock solid as you say, but what's the value in that when they're often dispossessed, failing to dribble past opponents or whipping in nothing crosses that land at the feet or heads of defenders? A poor attack can create defensive problems as well.
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I'll continue to dream.
Having defensive wing backs can be useful but it also throws balance out the window - you can't expect other players to compensate. Sometimes the best form of defense is attack and as you could see in that particular tie, our poor creativity on the wings came with serious blow-back. Asamoah and Lichtsteiner are rock solid as you say, but what's the value in that when they're often dispossessed, failing to dribble past opponents or whipping in nothing crosses that land at the feet or heads of defenders? A poor attack can create defensive problems as well.
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Don't even bother with him. He blindly believes this Juve can't play any other formation because we used it the most for past 2 seasons. Like you said poor attacking causes a lot of problems in defense but it's too much for him to understand. According to him you're not allowed to have your opinion it's always the same - 3-5-2 is better and a lot of crap to back it up like "Asamoah is the best LWB in the World".
In fact we're no Barca to keep playing 3-5-2 for eternity. Most teams have already learned to play against our 3-5-2 that's why we've had so many problems lately. I believe Conte will do tactical changes which may lead to the change of 3-5-2 for something else. I think we'll be forced to do it this season despite our good physical form. At the moment our organisation of the game is rather poor we fail to keep the ball and create something out of our possession.
In fact we're no Barca to keep playing 3-5-2 for eternity. Most teams have already learned to play against our 3-5-2 that's why we've had so many problems lately. I believe Conte will do tactical changes which may lead to the change of 3-5-2 for something else. I think we'll be forced to do it this season despite our good physical form. At the moment our organisation of the game is rather poor we fail to keep the ball and create something out of our possession.
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