Wishlist and General Juve mercato talk (2013-14) (41 Viewers)

[Red]

The fact of the matter is that we conceded 4 goals and scored none.

That's true.

However, as much as Bayern deserved the win, the goals really were out of nothing and little or nothing to do with the tactics of the two sides.

The two in Munich were long-range shots that you wouldn't expect to concede from, the first in Turin was a set-piece and I can't recall the second in that game, but the tie was over by then, so it was of no real relevance.

Don't get me wrong, I don't like 3-5-2 (5-3-2) against 4-2-3-1 - I just wouldn't write Juve off with that shape just yet. I'd like to see what Conte has learned from those games and what Juve can do with vastly superior forwards.

 

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[JuveJay]

Bayern's 4th overall goal really was the kind that barely counts, late on a counter attack with us all forward.

 

[Salvo]

 

[The Curr]

 

[baggio]

Report: Lazi have a deal for Yilmaz. 15m. FI.

Wtf!

 

[Badass J Elkann]

eriksen would be nice when pirlo retires if we switch to 4-2-3-1 if we first get a leftback and a right winger.

yeah lets sign Negredo too

 

[Enron]

Report: Lazi have a deal for Yilmaz. 15m. FI.

Wtf!

Good pick up for them if true.

 

[Red]

Report: Lazi have a deal for Yilmaz. 15m. FI.

Wtf!

Nah, the report is that Lazio have agreed personal terms with the player.

They are supposedly offering 10m, while Galatasaray want 15m.

 

[Zacheryah]

That's true.

However, as much as Bayern deserved the win, the goals really were out of nothing and little or nothing to do with the tactics of the two sides.

The two in Munich were long-range shots that you wouldn't expect to concede from, the first in Turin was a set-piece and I can't recall the second in that game, but the tie was over by then, so it was of no real relevance.

Don't get me wrong, I don't like 3-5-2 (5-3-2) against 4-2-3-1 - I just wouldn't write Juve off with that shape just yet. I'd like to see what Conte has learned from those games and what Juve can do with vastly superior forwards.

Defensive wingers, locking down the wing, forcing play trough the middle, where a 4-2-3-1 has its non creative holding mids, versus 2boxers and a regista
thats how its done

But indeed, the goals against bayeren, were 3x buffons fault + 1x counter

Means fucking shit without wages involved

 

[Nenz]

That's true.

However, as much as Bayern deserved the win, the goals really were out of nothing and little or nothing to do with the tactics of the two sides.

The two in Munich were long-range shots that you wouldn't expect to concede from, the first in Turin was a set-piece and I can't recall the second in that game, but the tie was over by then, so it was of no real relevance.

Don't get me wrong, I don't like 3-5-2 (5-3-2) against 4-2-3-1 - I just wouldn't write Juve off with that shape just yet. I'd like to see what Conte has learned from those games and what Juve can do with vastly superior forwards.

You're not wrong. Caught up in the emotion of it all, I had similar 'what if' feelings about some of those unlucky goals. It was the general play that convinced me we were out of our depth. We lacked fluidity in a attack and that really came down, I think, to the ease at which Bayern pressed our midfield. Is it a problem of formation? Or was it lack of personnel up front? We'll see. There's no doubt that if we chose to play up the guts of the field as we did last time that Tevez and Llorente would hold the ball with more ease. I'm not going to write off the 3-5-2 just yet. As far as I'm concerned, we're missing a vital piece of the puzzle - width in attack. Lichtsteiner, Peluso and Asamoah were unable to keep Bayerns full backs honest and make Robben and Ribery work hard to stop the run of our wingers. That comes with double backlash - the side without the ball tires easily continuously pressing. While Asamoah and Lichtsteiner run themselves ragged up and down the wings, chasing constantly, Robben and Ribery are finding more and more space throughout the game. Sometimes, to really tip a game in your favour you have to win those one-on-one battles that mount pressure on the opposition, forcing defenders to leave their man and help out. Its why we could never seem to open Bayern up. 3-5-2 comes with certain risks against such crafty wide attackers but as I said, sometimes the best defense can be a good offense. Conte wants fluid, possession football and you can't achieve that without wing backs capable of keeping the ball through means of beating their markers.

 

[Zacheryah]

bayern and madrid got the best wingers in the world


If you are gonna field attacking wingers, they'll be less good. MUCH less good. AKA you lose.

Arsenal played total football versus barcelona a few years ago.

4-0 and they wasted alot of chances. could have been 10 goals up.

 

[Nenz]

bayern and madrid got the best wingers in the world


If you are gonna field attacking wingers, they'll be less good. MUCH less good. AKA you lose.

Arsenal played total football versus barcelona a few years ago.

4-0 and they wasted alot of chances. could have been 10 goals up.

First, Arsenal are shit. Second, why is it so black and white? There are fullbacks out there that are capable dribblers and crossers while not being complete defensive liabilities. The issue is that Asamoah is not a wingback. He doesn't have a natural skill set for wide play. What's the point in being a defensive beast when you either a) lose the ball to your marker b) cross poorly to the advantage of defenders or c) simply pass laterally into midfield time and time again while pressure mounts in the middle - this is why we saw Pirlo marked out of the game. Just as we begin to push forward we're dispossessed and chasing a counter attack. Asamoah and Lichtsteiner are nowhere to be seen because they have already committed themselves in attack. I supposed by choosing not to play 'total football' you choose option C.

 

[Red]

You're not wrong. Caught up in the emotion of it all, I had similar 'what if' feelings about some of those unlucky goals. It was the general play that convinced me we were out of our depth. We lacked fluidity in a attack and that really came down, I think, to the ease at which Bayern pressed our midfield. Is it a problem of formation? Or was it lack of personnel up front? We'll see. There's no doubt that if we chose to play up the guts of the field as we did last time that Tevez and Llorente would hold the ball with more ease. I'm not going to write off the 3-5-2 just yet. As far as I'm concerned, we're missing a vital piece of the puzzle - width in attack. Lichtsteiner, Peluso and Asamoah were unable to keep Bayerns full backs honest and make Robben and Ribery work hard to stop the run of our wingers. That comes with double backlash - the side without the ball tires easily continuously pressing. While Asamoah and Lichtsteiner run themselves ragged up and down the wings, chasing constantly, Robben and Ribery are finding more and more space throughout the game. Sometimes, to really tip a game in your favour you have to win those one-on-one battles that mount pressure on the opposition, forcing defenders to leave their man and help out. Its why we could never seem to open Bayern up. 3-5-2 comes with certain risks against such crafty wide attackers but as I said, sometimes the best defense can be a good offense. Conte wants fluid, possession football and you can't achieve that without wing backs capable of keeping the ball through means of beating their markers.

It was the playing the ball out from the back and the forwards not holding possession that were the real issues for Juve, I thought.

That meant we couldn't really see Juve as an attacking force as the ball wasn't retained long enough to allow the wingbacks to get up the pitch in support.

Also, Juve actually coped pretty well with Bayern's attack when they were attacking in a reasonably orthodox fashion. It was when Juve gave the ball away in their own half - and Juve had players wrong side of the ball - that things looked chaotic.

I really would like to see how Juve would approach a similar game this time round.

 

[Hydde]

that early goal in the away game fucked us up tactically and mentally in a game that need zero fuck ups...specially so early,

It was also tough luck on ourpart,

 

[Zacheryah]

First, Arsenal are shit. Second, why is it so black and white? There are fullbacks out there that are capable dribblers and crossers while not being complete defensive liabilities. The issue is that Asamoah is not a wingback. He doesn't have a natural skill set for wide play. What's the point in being a defensive beast when you either a) lose the ball to your marker b) cross poorly to the advantage of defenders or c) simply pass laterally into midfield time and time again while pressure mounts in the middle - this is why we saw Pirlo marked out of the game. Just as we begin to push forward we're dispossessed and chasing a counter attack. Asamoah and Lichtsteiner are nowhere to be seen because they have already committed themselves in attack. I supposed by choosing not to play 'total football' you choose option C.

Lol, clearly you werent watching football when arsenal had the likes of nasri and fabregas, and steamrolled untill they came against barcelona

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It was the playing the ball out from the back and the forwards not holding possession that were the real issues for Juve, I thought.

That meant we couldn't really see Juve as an attacking force as the ball wasn't retained long enough to allow the wingbacks to get up the pitch in support.

Also, Juve actually coped pretty well with Bayern's attack when they were attacking in a reasonably orthodox fashion. It was when Juve gave the ball away in their own half - and Juve had players wrong side of the ball - that things looked chaotic.

I really would like to see how Juve would approach a similar game this time round.

the 3-5-2 would win

 

[Alessandro]

eriksen would be nice when pirlo retires if we switch to 4-2-3-1 if we first get a leftback and a right winger.

We need 3412 as plan B and some AMC as Pirlo substitute. Eriksen for example.

 

[Collaguazo]

According to this report, we are after Di Maria. If real signs Bale, Di Maria wants to change teams.

http://www.mercafutbol.com/situan-a-la-juventus-tras-los-pasos-de-angel-di-maria/

 

[Zacheryah]

We need 3412 as plan B and some AMC as Pirlo substitute. Eriksen for example.

eriksen is a bag of shit.

We need a regista, only gundo and verratti are good enough

or a cam playmaker, thats good enough for juve

According to this report, we are after Di Maria. If real signs Bale, Di Maria wants to change teams.

http://www.mercafutbol.com/situan-a-la-juventus-tras-los-pasos-de-angel-di-maria/

Even a bigger sack of shit that article

If you followed the financial discuttion, you'd know

 

[j0ker]

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[Zacheryah]

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Joker, a well picked name. For a person, that usually doesnt understand much. especially about finances.

It has been bespoken in the financial thread, how this mercato's budgetting would be.


We dont have liquid cash. The continassa project used up most of that. We signed tevez and ogbonna instead.

We are currently back with a bit of liquid cash, thanks to the season tickets, but playing player wages when not playing home games, takes away most of that.

Marotta also said, he wanted his mercato(buying) done before the preseason. Wich he did

So no you silly boi, we wont buy a player, we dont have liquid cash and we arent gonna suddenly pull 30 mil out of our ass for him, let alone wages