Oh, I don't think he's average going forward. I think his runs and his pace are the top level, it's just his decisions that make it look bad a fair share of times. But he's still very good at going forward.
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I hope we stay away from Caceres for that kind of money (even 8M is pushing it really, really hard for a backup quality player).
Kolarov, though, that one I would honestly like to have.
You are overrating workrate a bit there. I'm not saying it's not useful, because it damn is, but it's not as fulcral as you make it sound in my opinion. Very few top teams have a central midfielder with a workrate as good as Vidal's, but they still have sick midfields. In this case, we'd be swaping Vidal's work rate for De Rossi's tactical awareness and we'd still have a very good amount of work rate provided by Marchisio (and even DDR).
Marchisio is the only definite starter in our midfield.
Droping him would mean drop half of our goal attempts as he's always the extra man in the area (making it look like he's the SS next to Matri). It would also mean a way weaker transition proccess (mostly the defense-attack one). Plus, having a midfield of Vidal - Pirlo - De Rossi would most probably affect our organized attack, as the mesallas are both better suited for the defensive phase and no one offers the "one-two" opportunities or the attacking off the ball movement that Marchisio does.
Anyway, thinking twice, I'd probably let Marchisio and Vidal stay in the team and hesitate between Pirlo and De Rossi. Rotate them according to the opponent would probably be the better option.
Kolarov, though, that one I would honestly like to have.
You are overrating workrate a bit there. I'm not saying it's not useful, because it damn is, but it's not as fulcral as you make it sound in my opinion. Very few top teams have a central midfielder with a workrate as good as Vidal's, but they still have sick midfields. In this case, we'd be swaping Vidal's work rate for De Rossi's tactical awareness and we'd still have a very good amount of work rate provided by Marchisio (and even DDR).
Marchisio is the only definite starter in our midfield.
Droping him would mean drop half of our goal attempts as he's always the extra man in the area (making it look like he's the SS next to Matri). It would also mean a way weaker transition proccess (mostly the defense-attack one). Plus, having a midfield of Vidal - Pirlo - De Rossi would most probably affect our organized attack, as the mesallas are both better suited for the defensive phase and no one offers the "one-two" opportunities or the attacking off the ball movement that Marchisio does.
Anyway, thinking twice, I'd probably let Marchisio and Vidal stay in the team and hesitate between Pirlo and De Rossi. Rotate them according to the opponent would probably be the better option.
i was looking at kolarov vs lischt
lischt > kolarov
in total lischt is much better
has a pretty good defensive phase and a good attacing phase and i agree that his crosses are not that good
much better attacking phase but his defensive phase mehhhhh
and he should have a very high price
and you should consider that with him in our defense we could play like this
kolarov bonucci barzagli lischt
kolarov chiellini barzagli lischt
chiellini bonucci barzagli lischt
you must take in accaunt that we have pirlo in front of our defense and that with 3 cb at defense we have found balance and that is very important with kolarov on the left we would be very offensive so i would still chose the 3 option unless we get a lb that is good in defending and can offer balance i don't think kolarov can do that
lischt > kolarov
in total lischt is much better
has a pretty good defensive phase and a good attacing phase and i agree that his crosses are not that good
much better attacking phase but his defensive phase mehhhhh
and he should have a very high price
and you should consider that with him in our defense we could play like this
kolarov bonucci barzagli lischt
kolarov chiellini barzagli lischt
chiellini bonucci barzagli lischt
you must take in accaunt that we have pirlo in front of our defense and that with 3 cb at defense we have found balance and that is very important with kolarov on the left we would be very offensive so i would still chose the 3 option unless we get a lb that is good in defending and can offer balance i don't think kolarov can do that
Krasic is a good player per se. His traits however are better suited to a more open, less tactically imposing league or style of play.
The reason Krasic doesn't find space is twofold. A) he doesn't contribute to our pressing style largely because his game entails running into open spaces and an inclination to cut into the centre without offering anyhing defensively. B) because Licht does contribute to our style of play and almost mans the entire flank in a way Krasic hasn't even in his good times at the club.
What about him?
Actually I think they're completley different
Kolarov is great going forward but average at defending.
Licht is great defending and average at going forward.
Kolarov is great going forward but average at defending.
Licht is great defending and average at going forward.
We'd definitely have to get a left back that would dominate the entire flank and have good end product. Like Maicon under Mourinho. And it isn't happening. I don't rate Lichtsteiner's offensive game enough to consider him good enough to completely own the right either, works better with Pepe who at least can hit a curving ball into the right sort of area.
Really? Marrotta didn't have a higher rate of failure than Moggi? I won't be surprised, considering he's bought two full squads in his time here 
Of course, players can fail at any point, but certain dipshit players are more likely to fail than others.
And on one hand you give credit to Marotta for our best defenders, mids and attackers. On the other hand you say he doesn't make the decisions? Let me remind you that Del Neri didn't want Diego or Trez out of his squad, yet they were sold, so he did MAKE those decisions. However, with Conte, there was a very clear change in his policies as certain players being sought were more specific to Conte's liking. While DelNeri had no say in what Marrotta did, and we all saw the results, Conte does. And that's why we have moved better overall this year than we did last.
You obviously haven't looked at the numbers yet. Somebody needs to show you the kind of money we have spent since Marrotta came here so someone can help you take your blinders off. Because they seem stuck somewhere that you can't see them.
Of course, players can fail at any point, but certain dipshit players are more likely to fail than others.
And on one hand you give credit to Marotta for our best defenders, mids and attackers. On the other hand you say he doesn't make the decisions? Let me remind you that Del Neri didn't want Diego or Trez out of his squad, yet they were sold, so he did MAKE those decisions. However, with Conte, there was a very clear change in his policies as certain players being sought were more specific to Conte's liking. While DelNeri had no say in what Marrotta did, and we all saw the results, Conte does. And that's why we have moved better overall this year than we did last.
You obviously haven't looked at the numbers yet. Somebody needs to show you the kind of money we have spent since Marrotta came here so someone can help you take your blinders off. Because they seem stuck somewhere that you can't see them.
this year he had time to work and the results are evident , we knew what we were going for and even if we didn't get him we had a plan b , like when we didn't get inler we got vidal we didn't get aguero we went imediatly for vucinic ect
diego should have been sold cause he was bought for a lot of money and was a flop and if he had stayed i don't actually know were would have he played since the mediocre del neri plays with the 442 , where would diego fit here it was good selling him to not make his value decrease even more and make a big minus from him
and it was shown to be a good move since even when he went back to germany he flopped
and where did you get the news that del neri wanted trez never heard something like this ?
i said it before sending trez away was not a bad move you had 2 chooices
1 let him rot on the bench and give him his salary
2 give him half salary and resolve the contract
in this mercato as i said it before the only hand of conte was giac only players requested by him
exactly he needs open space he is more suited to a premier league
he doesn't use his left leg at all
he is suited to games like we did last year conterattacks
he is not suited at possesion games
he has not any fantasy mostly he goes for the end to cross and since he does usually the same move this got old really quick and defenders started defending him better since they knew where he was going
he doesn't use his left leg at all
he is suited to games like we did last year conterattacks
he is not suited at possesion games
he has not any fantasy mostly he goes for the end to cross and since he does usually the same move this got old really quick and defenders started defending him better since they knew where he was going
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