Winter Mercato Thread 2021 (30 Viewers)

[U Picciriddu]

A few years ago Isco would have been great.
Now he seems to have added some weight and looks way more heavy than before. I`d pass on him.

Ramsey`s role?! We should either play Dybala/Kulusevski or we should go for someone who can score and assist on a regular basis

Yeah I’d pass on Isco, very nice player though.
Keep faith in Kulusevski, Ramsey as backup for him and lets see if we’re able to sell Ramsey at the end of this season. I’d like to have Malinovsky as bench player.

By the way Agresti said today that Bernardeschi might leave on loan.

 

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[Orgut]

Yeah I’d pass on Isco, very nice player though.
Keep faith in Kulusevski, Ramsey as backup for him and lets see if we’re able to sell Ramsey at the end of this season. I’d like to have Malinovsky as bench player.

By the way Agresti said today that Bernardeschi might leave on loan.

Malinovsky is a good player to have on the bench - He has some serious shooting skills.
As for Kulu - We are yet to understand the position Pirlo wants him to play but I think it is obvious a guy like him should be playing as a starter.

Dybala - I hope he comes back soon (I mean form)

 

[LiquidPLP]

Yeah I’d pass on Isco, very nice player though.
Keep faith in Kulusevski, Ramsey as backup for him and lets see if we’re able to sell Ramsey at the end of this season. I’d like to have Malinovsky as bench player.

By the way Agresti said today that Bernardeschi might leave on loan.

Hopefully Berna goes on loan. He's rising his place in NT ow for sure. Such a shame he didn't think about it during the Summer.

Say what you want but I'd always keep Costa ahead of Berna. Now if we let both go on loans, we'll be missing a depth player...

 

[U Picciriddu]

Hopefully Berna goes on loan. He's rising his place in NT ow for sure. Such a shame he didn't think about it during the Summer.

Say what you want but I'd always keep Costa ahead of Berna. Now if we let both go on loans, we'll be missing a depth player...

Sleepy Berna was refusing to leave. He’d be gone already if he’d accepted the situation, I’m pretty sure about that.

 

[LiquidPLP]

Sleepy Berna was refusing to leave. He’d be gone already if he’d accepted the situation, I’m pretty sure about that.

Getting rid of him and undeserved wages is good enough for me but there would be need someone new joining in, nah?

Actually, if Khedira could pull it off for the remaining 6 months, I wouldn't mind that. Maybe the legs are not there anymore for 90 minutes but he actually uses his brain, unlike Berna.

 

[Orgut]

Sleepy Berna was refusing to leave. He’d be gone already if he’d accepted the situation, I’m pretty sure about that.

Hope we loan him to some attacking team that will help his value rise

 

[U Picciriddu]

Getting rid of him and undeserved wages is good enough for me but there would be need someone new joining in, nah?

Actually, if Khedira could pull it off for the remaining 6 months, I wouldn't mind that. Maybe the legs are not there anymore for 90 minutes but he actually uses his brain, unlike Berna.

No honestly I don’t want another minute of Khedira on the pitch. Same goes for Bernardeschi.

Use Frabotta instead of Berna, I rather see him making some mistakes but at least know that he’ll become a better player as time goes by.

Especially in our current formation Khedira would leave to much space. No that chapter is really finished for me. We don’t have to buy a direct replacement for both of them.

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Malinovsky is a good player to have on the bench - He has some serious shooting skills.
As for Kulu - We are yet to understand the position Pirlo wants him to play but I think it is obvious a guy like him should be playing as a starter.

Dybala - I hope he comes back soon (I mean form)

Yea, Malinovsky was a nice impact sub for Atalanta last year with a insane shot in his legs. They didn’t pay a lot for him (~13m), low wages (I thought that everybody at Atalanta earns 2m max) and I noticed that Gasperini didn’t use him so much this year. Could be a good backup for Kulusevski if we sell Ramsey (and indeed, if we’re going to use Kulu as our AM).

 

[LiquidPLP]

No honestly I don’t want another minute of Khedira on the pitch. Same goes for Bernardeschi.

Use Frabotta instead of Berna, I rather see him making some mistakes but at least know that he’ll become a better player as time goes by.

Especially in our current formation Khedira would leave to much space. No that chapter is really finished for me. We don’t have to buy a direct replacement for both of them.

I totally forgot about Frabotta!

Ok, you convinced me with this one

 

[Hydde]

Make no mistake, i really think pogba has flopped hard and is already a has been...but Pogba on a free to fill the place of Khedira and Ramsey is a no brainer.

 

[Lion]

not with the wages + raiola fee. would juve want to pay that much cash money for a bench player?

we should continue looking for the kulus and de ligts to pay money too

 

[Gagi]

Make no mistake, i really think pogba has flopped hard and is already a has been...but Pogba on a free to fill the place of Khedira and Ramsey is a no brainer.

in 2022? because utd triggered 1y extension in his contract few weeks ago

 

[Adrian]

Clearly pogba returning to united wasnt a great career move. He just hasn't looked himself. I highly doubt he cant return to his juventus form. Look qt morata as an example. Sometimes you just need to right environment and I believe juve is that for pogba. Not sure what wage demands and fees would be involved but I would love to see him back especially with the players we have now...pogba with ronaldo dybala morata kulu sounds very exciting.

 

[Hydde]

Clearly pogba returning to united wasnt a great career move. He just hasn't looked himself. I highly doubt he cant return to his juventus form. Look qt morata as an example. Sometimes you just need to right environment and I believe juve is that for pogba. Not sure what wage demands and fees would be involved but I would love to see him back especially with the players we have now...pogba with ronaldo dybala morata kulu sounds very exciting.

Mentality wise theyvare very different tho.

Morata is a down to earth guy who loves juve and his family, also beig a teamplayer. Pogba on the other hand is a social media lover without a north, who doesnt take his career seriously and let's not forget he ditched us

 

[Pegi]

Balotelli? If you owned a company and saw list of places this certain guy had done a shitty job with no recommendations, would you still think to give him a ”last chance” to work, instead of picking up the guy that does exactly the same job, shows up on time and ain’t throwing the tantrums here and there?

Can’t believe people are bringing that stuff up. He had his chances, but is a great example of a spoiled playstation mentality, that goes ape shit when things ain’t going his way.




Isco? How about Futsal? I’v never seen him as a proper footballer, even tho he’s had decent career.

 

[Robee]

not with the wages + raiola fee. would juve want to pay that much cash money for a bench player?

we should continue looking for the kulus and de ligts to pay money too

The same was said about Morata. But he took a pay cut to return. I could see Pogba doing the same and a low money transfer would mean a smaller Raiola fee.

The main problem for me is Pogba itself and his characteristics. It's not a complete match at this point. We're clearly missing more of a playmaker in front of defence, which he is not and we're probably still chasing Aouar.
So if we want all 3 we'd need to offload at least 2; Ramsey & Rabiot?

 

[s4tch]

The same was said about Morata. But he took a pay cut to return. I could see Pogba doing the same and a low money transfer would mean a smaller Raiola fee...

how big of a pay cut do you have in mind? what is a reasonable salary for pogba that would be acceptable for both juve and pogba/raiola?

pogba currently earns around 17m € net, depending on the gbp/eur rates. he'll be available on a free transfer in 2022, his age will be 29 by then, and will ask for a 5-year contract. add the agent fee and you'll likely get a fairly expensive deal for a player way past his prime, who'll likely to be benched years before his contract runs out. and don't forget that we would also be paying 33-34 year old pogba the same wages. see relatively old guys like khedira, higuain, matuidi on high wages, practically all unsellable, becoming an issue for the club. same is likely to happen with ramsey and bonucci, but we never learn, do we. and let's not forget post covid club finances.

so what's a reasonable pay cut for pogba, with all things considered?

 

[Robee]

how big of a pay cut do you have in mind? what is a reasonable salary for pogba that would be acceptable for both juve and pogba/raiola?

pogba currently earns around 17m € net, depending on the gbp/eur rates. he'll be available on a free transfer in 2022, his age will be 29 by then, and will ask for a 5-year contract. add the agent fee and you'll likely get a fairly expensive deal for a player way past his prime, who'll likely to be benched years before his contract runs out. and don't forget that we would also be paying 33-34 year old pogba the same wages. see relatively old guys like khedira, higuain, matuidi on high wages, practically all unsellable, becoming an issue for the club. same is likely to happen with ramsey and bonucci, but we never learn, do we. and let's not forget post covid club finances.

so what's a reasonable pay cut for pogba, with all things considered?

First of all I'm not talking about a free transfer since I specifically mentioned a transfer fee. There's no way Man U will let him walk out on a free again. They're obviously looking to sell him, as soon as possible and without COVID they already would have done so. So he'll be 27 (winter) -28 (summer) and in his fucking prime.

Then, a 4-year contract (possibly with an option on an extra year) is something you dismiss all too easily.

Added to that, I'd say his salary cut depends on the market and that's a mess right now.
He has big fat contracts with adidas so money ain't an issue. If someone offers him much more, surely he'll take it but there are only a few possibilities; City, Barca, Real, Juve and PSG.
City will probably pass on him with Pep, Barca is broke, PSG is on a tight FFP leash so I'd say Real is the main competitor.
Depending on who's interested, his pay-cut looks like a real possibilty because no one will offer him the same amount of money after 3-4 years of doing nothing but dabs.

Dybala is asking for 15 mil and is only one fucking year younger so I'd say there's definitely a possibility if he actually wants a return...

The question is; would it be a good deal? Sure but I think there are better options. The mentioned Locatelli-Aouar duo would be my preference as well.

 

[s4tch]

First of all I'm not talking about a free transfer since I specifically mentioned a transfer fee. There's no way Man U will let him walk out on a free again. They're obviously looking to sell him, as soon as possible and without COVID they already would have done so. So he'll be 27 (winter) -28 (summer) and in his fucking prime.

Then, a 4-year contract (possibly with an option on an extra year) is something you dismiss all too easily.

Added to that, I'd say his salary cut depends on the market and that's a mess right now.
He has big fat contracts with adidas so money ain't an issue. If someone offers him much more, surely he'll take it but there are only a few possibilities; City, Barca, Real, Juve and PSG.
City will probably pass on him with Pep, Barca is broke, PSG is on a tight FFP leash so I'd say Real is the main competitor.
Depending on who's interested, his pay-cut looks like a real possibilty because no one will offer him the same amount of money after 3-4 years of doing nothing but dabs.

Dybala is asking for 15 mil and is only one fucking year younger so I'd say there's definitely a possibility if he actually wants a return...

The question is; would it be a good deal? Sure but I think there are better options. The mentioned Locatelli-Aouar duo would be my preference as well.

just a couple of remarks:
- pogba is in his prime only on paper. you said he did nothing but dabbed for years, which is accurate. he looks disinterested, is earning all the money in the world, and picked money over winning anything, which is telling. he could have left manchester if he really wanted to, but he preferred his paycheck and playing shit without consequences there. raiola tried to push him out last summer when covid wasn't a thing, and neither real, nor juve offered enough, so he stayed. pogba is all about the money at this point.
- money is not an issue, because he's got a fat paycheck at adidas? come on mate, like it was easy with ronaldo or any other well sponsored player for the same reason. it doesn't make any difference.
- nobody will pay him 17m, that's for sure, that's probably the most important reason why he's likely to let his contract run out, and that's why he won't take a massive paycut 1,5 years before his contract expires. if he's too unhappy, he might leave next summer, but only for 'the right offer'. even next summer nobody is likely to top a 17m contract, no club will recover from covid by then. a year later, markets are likely to look better, and negotiating as a free agent is easier for any player.
- dybala's demands aren't realistic at all. that's why his contract renewal takes years. that 15m shouldn't be a benchmark, no club will pay him anything close to that.

100% agree on aouar + locatelli. realistically the pogba-raiola package can't be that cheap that i'd consider him. i don't see him as a hard working team player either. just stay away.

 

[Robee]

just a couple of remarks:
- pogba is in his prime only on paper. you said he did nothing but dabbed for years, which is accurate. he looks disinterested, is earning all the money in the world, and picked money over winning anything, which is telling. he could have left manchester if he really wanted to, but he preferred his paycheck and playing shit without consequences there. raiola tried to push him out last summer when covid wasn't a thing, and neither real, nor juve offered enough, so he stayed. pogba is all about the money at this point.
- money is not an issue, because he's got a fat paycheck at adidas? come on mate, like it was easy with ronaldo or any other well sponsored player for the same reason. it doesn't make any difference.
- nobody will pay him 17m, that's for sure, that's probably the most important reason why he's likely to let his contract run out, and that's why he won't take a massive paycut 1,5 years before his contract expires. if he's too unhappy, he might leave next summer, but only for 'the right offer'. even next summer nobody is likely to top a 17m contract, no club will recover from covid by then. a year later, markets are likely to look better, and negotiating as a free agent is easier for any player.
- dybala's demands aren't realistic at all. that's why his contract renewal takes years. that 15m shouldn't be a benchmark, no club will pay him anything close to that.

100% agree on aouar + locatelli. realistically the pogba-raiola package can't be that cheap that i'd consider him. i don't see him as a hard working team player either. just stay away.

That's inaccurate. Pogba wanted out but Man U wanted too much freaking money. And let's not act like it's all Pogdabs fault. He was and still is surrounded by a bunch of morons. Hence why his performances at the french team are night and day when compared to Man U.

Same story as Morata really; he didn't show much promise either and also took a big paycut when nobody offered him the same amount of money. We'd be rehashing the same things to continue...
If Pogba really wants to, he'll take a pay cut and get out by next summer. And that's about all there is to it... Stranger things have definitely happened...

 

[Hydde]

IMO 8 m salary max, and that is stretching it, as it should be lower tbh.

And yes i agree with all that s4cth said, Pogba is a walking disaster proffesionally speaking and i fear we will not be abel to recover. Even if by some miracle we recover him, i feel he is too much of a diva in the dressing room and the field, and would be troublesome to have a high earner like him, getting out of his prime and not being a fundamental piece on the team.

If he comes on a free and like 7m salary (im sure he will ask for more) we can talk.., but he is not worth more than that.