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am0110

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You guys think we are getting Bentacur in Jan? It seems like its quite possible. Also, is it possible for us to get BOTH Bentacur and Wistel in the same January transfer window? Would it mean that we need to let go of one of our midfielders for this to happen? i.e Hernanes, Asamoah, or Sturaro?

Also, what do we know about Bentacur....what are his characteristics?
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italiacalcio10

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Juventus in for Rodriguez?
By Football Italia staff

Juventus are reportedly interested in James Rodriguez, who is being frozen out at Real Madrid.

The Colombian international has made just four starts for Los Merengues this season, scoring once and providing three assists.

According to Corriere dello Sport, the Bianconeri are looking to take advantage of the situation, and could even push for a January transfer.

However, Rodriguez has a high salary, so the Old Lady would have to really push the boat out to get a deal done.

It’s thought Paris Saint-Germain’s Marco Verratti is also of interest, but there’s an acknowledgment that a transfer will be difficult, and impossible before the summer.

Keep up to date with the latest news and action from Spain's Primera Division with Football Espana - from the team behind Football Italia.
 
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Imagine

Hernanes Out
James, Witsel and Matuidi In

though I would think we probably need to say goodbye to Kwadman also :cry: he was a good servant, but his body can't take this anymore and its safe to say he will never be as he was with Conte
 

Osman

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That's because he plays in hyper offensive team and he has excellent end product, but he is generelly a headless chicken as CM. Play him as AM or wing forward. Foolish otherwise.

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italiacalcio10

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FIFA MODE ON

Higuain - Dybala
James
Verratti - Marchisio - Pjanic
Alex Sandro - Chiellini - Bonucci - Dani Alves
Buffon​

:fap: :fap: :fap: :fap: :fap: :fap: :fap: :fap: :fap: :fap:
I counter with:

--------Higuain---Dybala---------
---Cuadrado---------James-------
-------Marchisio--Verratti---------
Sandro--Chiellini-Bonucci-Alves--

Magic Rectangle FTW.
More than anything, I just don't want to bench Cuadrado.
 

Hydde

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Mar 6, 2003
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I don't understand this obsession with formations/positions. Ronaldo and Messi spent at least half of their careers on the wings but only on paper. What matters is actually the style of play, what players are allowed to do and who they play with.

Look, we're not doing too well so I'd opt for picking up the best players and the formation will form itself just like the 352 under Conte or 4312 under Allegri.

I mean, you could call it 433/4321/4312 but it doesn't matter. The starting 11 picks up by itself :


Buffon
Dani Alves - Bonucci - X - Alex Sandro
Pjanic - Marchisio - Lemina
Cuadrado - Dybala
Higuain

You could make it a 4312 with Dybala as AM and Cuadrado as SS or the other way around; you could also make it a 433 with both of them going inside or down the lines - it doesn't matter. The details are up to Allegri, he has to make it balanced. You can even line up this squad into 352 - just drop Alves for a CB and then Cuadrado and Alex Sandro are wingbacks. Either way Cuadrado should be a starter IMO, even if Dybala comes back because he offers so much and is actually in very good form.
For the midfield I picked up Lemina because he's the most well-rounded midfielder who covers a lot of ground, and has a lot of tackles. He would bring up the intensity of our midfield which naturally drops because of Pjanic. Just take a look at his best days at Roma - played next to De Rossi and Nainggolan/Strootman - physical midfielders who allowed him to breathe. Khedira is very good on the ball but without it he's far from that. In an Ideal world we'd have Vidal there to play next to Pjanic or at least Allan. Lemina fits the bill as well but he needs to keep improving.

It's all about fielding the best players you have and correctly interpreting the game. Both seem to be random, mostly due to injuries and so many games to play, so Allegri is only thinking about collecting the most points he can. Quality wise we're kind of short in midfield and on the wings, so there's also a lot of work to be done for Marotta.
With Cuadrado 2 things are sure:
1-He needs to start,
2- He needs to play as a winger/ RWB.

I dont think he has the IQ nor the passing range and shoorting to play as AM...he has the dribbles tho.. but still..

Dybala needs to play...and in his preferred position as SS, or in an extreme case, as a AM. Higuain uptop no question.
Sandro is a must too.

What about using a variation of the 352? something like a 3-4-1-2? That way 3we can use all our inform players and use Pjanic as an AM:
--------------Buff---------
------Barz---Bon-----Ben---
------Cheese---Lemina---
Cuads----------------------Sandro
-------------Pjanic-----------------
-------Dybala--------Pipa----------

I thinkt his is the best 11 we have to offer and every player will be playing in their preferred role. Lemina MArchisio, Cuadrado and Sandro would need to run and tackle a lot and keep Pjanic into the play. But with Sandro and Cuadrado on the wings we have great ground coverage, workrate and penetration...so pjanic will not be burdened with carrying all the attack. Dybala can play SS or simply go free role and do whatever he feels needed.

The key here will be for Marchisio and Lemina to do a solid recovery work and pass the ball asap to our playmakers while keeping the shape. Im pretty sure they can do this because both are very good at it. I think it will work wonders.

Then in january we can bring 2 more physical ball players on mid to help rotate Marchisio and Lemina...and continue making the formation working until summer where we will have to decide what we will do with the team (again).

Edit: Having James as an AM would be glorious. We really need someone who can step up and grab the games by the balls. No ghosting and shid.
 

The Quazis

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Dec 21, 2012
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The only way we could afford Verratti or James is by selling one of our assets, meaning Dybala most probably. Do we want that? We will not just splash the cash as many here expect. Take a look at our previous transfer campaigns. We are always around zero in net spending. Please be realistic.
 

PedroFlu

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Sep 20, 2011
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With Cuadrado 2 things are sure:
1-He needs to start,
2- He needs to play as a winger/ RWB.

I dont think he has the IQ nor the passing range and shoorting to play as AM...he has the dribbles tho.. but still..

Dybala needs to play...and in his preferred position as SS, or in an extreme case, as a AM. Higuain uptop no question.
Sandro is a must too.

What about using a variation of the 352? something like a 3-4-1-2? That way 3we can use all our inform players and use Pjanic as an AM:
--------------Buff---------
------Barz---Bon-----Ben---
------Cheese---Lemina---
Cuads----------------------Sandro
-------------Pjanic-----------------
-------Dybala--------Pipa----------

I thinkt his is the best 11 we have to offer and every player will be playing in their preferred role. Lemina MArchisio, Cuadrado and Sandro would need to run and tackle a lot and keep Pjanic into the play. But with Sandro and Cuadrado on the wings we have great ground coverage, workrate and penetration...so pjanic will not be burdened with carrying all the attack. Dybala can play SS or simply go free role and do whatever he feels needed.

The key here will be for Marchisio and Lemina to do a solid recovery work and pass the ball asap to our playmakers while keeping the shape. Im pretty sure they can do this because both are very good at it. I think it will work wonders.

Then in january we can bring 2 more physical ball players on mid to help rotate Marchisio and Lemina...and continue making the formation working until summer where we will have to decide what we will do with the team (again).

Edit: Having James as an AM would be glorious. We really need someone who can step up and grab the games by the balls. No ghosting and shid.
Fully agreed.
 

italiacalcio10

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Mar 3, 2014
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The only way we could afford Verratti or James is by selling one of our assets, meaning Dybala most probably. Do we want that? We will not just splash the cash as many here expect. Take a look at our previous transfer campaigns. We are always around zero in net spending. Please be realistic.
Revenues have doubled over 2-3 - we can afford a big signing without compromising the financial well-being of the club. I analyze financial statements for a living, there is no doubt in my mind when I look at there financials that the team can afford 100-150 million in net spend (not per annum, but at this point given the debt load, and the earnings of the club.) I believe even Marotta said explicitly that we have room to make big signings. It isn't a matter of ability, it is a matter of using the money wisely.
 

Hydde

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Mar 6, 2003
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Revenues have doubled over 2-3 - we can afford a big signing without compromising the financial well-being of the club. I analyze financial statements for a living, there is no doubt in my mind when I look at there financials that the team can afford 100-150 million in net spend (not per annum, but at this point given the debt load, and the earnings of the club.) I believe even Marotta said explicitly that we have room to make big signings. It isn't a matter of ability, it is a matter of using the money wisely.
Yeh i think it can be done. Marotta has stated that many times...and i dont think he would feel the need to bluff for the sake of it if he knows the team is tight on budget. He said that Higuain was coming with or without Pogba..so this shows that we had some muscle to spend. And with the sale of Pogba we must be even better suited to spend more.

We will have to sale some guys tho...Asamoah and Hernanes is a given (if we get Verrati for him that is). One tought guy on the winter i think is safe to bet (Witsel?). I dont know what will be the fate of Khedira and Sturaro.... Sturaro maybe could be extended since he is cheap..but Khedira is on high wages and his fitness/form is suspicious to say the least.

We will also have to take into account that we have a potential good B2B in mandragora, and a AM in Sensi... maybe they can prove seomthign for the next year?.

Zaza, i think his sale will not be completed and he will be back to be a backup for Higuain most likely.... I think Coman will be sold.

Taking into account that we have Pjaca, Higuain and Dybala..i dont think need we need to break the bank in the striker department. Zaza as a back up for Higuain will be more than ok (lets be real..Higuain will play 85% of the games and Pjaca will always play when dybala is not around).

That leave us with the midfield , and im pretty sure we will for sure spend here. Why im so sure?, because this year we have seen that we clearly lack quality on the midfield and this is hampering us to the point that We still canot see Higuain´s and Dybala´s full potential because of this.
I really think we should make a serious effort for Verrati. It looks highly unlikely, but we need to at least try. And if james is available..we need to find a way to make him force his way out.

What is worrying me now is the defence. Between injuries and age, we are pilling up problems in there. Evra is old and Alves has been hot and cold, mostly cold. Barzagli and Chiellini are getting old... only Bonucci, Rugani and Benatia are acceptably young to stay some years here. We will have to finally try to find a replacement for both Chiellini and Barzagli..and maybe an Alvez replacement if the dudes doesnt step up (Lirola? But maybe he is too green). We have also the option of turning Sturaro into a defensive RB.

but even with this must buys... i think that we can surely break the bank and buy Verrati+James plus 2 or 3 promising defenders and call it a day.
 

The Quazis

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Dec 21, 2012
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Revenues have doubled over 2-3 - we can afford a big signing without compromising the financial well-being of the club. I analyze financial statements for a living, there is no doubt in my mind when I look at there financials that the team can afford 100-150 million in net spend (not per annum, but at this point given the debt load, and the earnings of the club.) I believe even Marotta said explicitly that we have room to make big signings. It isn't a matter of ability, it is a matter of using the money wisely.
Yes, I know that's your profession but I think the club refuses to go into debt for a reason. The net expenditure you mentioned (100-150 mln) can be observed within the teams that have revenue 50% higher than ours. I don't see other clubs with comparable revenue making transfers as you suggest (Liverpool for example).
 
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