Where does this come from? He was their only good player this weekend
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He is fighter, and runs his ass off, I cant see why he would fail in a big club where he gets a good role in even if thats yet to happen for him. Also he is insanely difficult to face for opponents 1-1, stretches the defence well and is very creative. He is very late bloomer, but defenitely top class for anyone who would use him right.
The hesitation wouldnt be if he would step up with Juve, I dont read into such things that much, more so when our two big signings this summer are two quality players with questionable record in choking/dissapearing at times. The main question with singing Payet, besides longevity (as said, late bloomer, tho doesnt rely heavily on physique, more technique), is how he would be used in Juve? 4-3-3 or 4-3-1-2 only.
The hesitation wouldnt be if he would step up with Juve, I dont read into such things that much, more so when our two big signings this summer are two quality players with questionable record in choking/dissapearing at times. The main question with singing Payet, besides longevity (as said, late bloomer, tho doesnt rely heavily on physique, more technique), is how he would be used in Juve? 4-3-3 or 4-3-1-2 only.
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Alos, at this point...we dont know what we really need, because we dont know what formation suit us better.
Allegri is dead set on playing 352, but our midfield is weak as hell. We have players like Pjaca who cannot play that formation unless Dybala is benched and that is a no go.
4312 makes sense, but it seems that we do not have a solit Treq. Pjanic should be able to do that but since we never use him there, is very difficult to guess.
Our midfield needs serious tweaking it seems, more than we thought...so all our primary funds should go there to buy really wolrd class players to up our quality instantly, and sell deadwood/useless players. Its worryingly urgent.
Allegri is dead set on playing 352, but our midfield is weak as hell. We have players like Pjaca who cannot play that formation unless Dybala is benched and that is a no go.
4312 makes sense, but it seems that we do not have a solit Treq. Pjanic should be able to do that but since we never use him there, is very difficult to guess.
Our midfield needs serious tweaking it seems, more than we thought...so all our primary funds should go there to buy really wolrd class players to up our quality instantly, and sell deadwood/useless players. Its worryingly urgent.
It's hard to see us playing a wing based formation when our main player seems to not fit on that formation and we have the most expensive CF in the world. Dybala is a pure trequartista for me, can't play as a winger under any circunstances.
A 433 could work well only without Higuain, with Dybala as a false 9, or when Dybala can't play.
It's tough to see a 4231 with Pjaca - Dybala - Cuadrado playing together behind Higuain. Pjaca would have to show huge stamina to drop back all the time, like Cuadrado does it. Also Dybala would have to do more defensive work, and I'm not a fan of this, he needs to keep fresh to make the difference attacking.
But it would definitely be very interesting to try it. Until and if that happens, I don't think we are approaching a winger signing any soon. And we don't need it, as we have one of the very best of the world at the right (the purest, definitely) and a very promising one on the left (Pjaca).
A 433 could work well only without Higuain, with Dybala as a false 9, or when Dybala can't play.
It's tough to see a 4231 with Pjaca - Dybala - Cuadrado playing together behind Higuain. Pjaca would have to show huge stamina to drop back all the time, like Cuadrado does it. Also Dybala would have to do more defensive work, and I'm not a fan of this, he needs to keep fresh to make the difference attacking.
But it would definitely be very interesting to try it. Until and if that happens, I don't think we are approaching a winger signing any soon. And we don't need it, as we have one of the very best of the world at the right (the purest, definitely) and a very promising one on the left (Pjaca).
I don't understand this obsession with formations/positions. Ronaldo and Messi spent at least half of their careers on the wings but only on paper. What matters is actually the style of play, what players are allowed to do and who they play with.
Look, we're not doing too well so I'd opt for picking up the best players and the formation will form itself just like the 352 under Conte or 4312 under Allegri.
I mean, you could call it 433/4321/4312 but it doesn't matter. The starting 11 picks up by itself :
Buffon
Dani Alves - Bonucci - X - Alex Sandro
Pjanic - Marchisio - Lemina
Cuadrado - Dybala
Higuain
You could make it a 4312 with Dybala as AM and Cuadrado as SS or the other way around; you could also make it a 433 with both of them going inside or down the lines - it doesn't matter. The details are up to Allegri, he has to make it balanced. You can even line up this squad into 352 - just drop Alves for a CB and then Cuadrado and Alex Sandro are wingbacks. Either way Cuadrado should be a starter IMO, even if Dybala comes back because he offers so much and is actually in very good form.
For the midfield I picked up Lemina because he's the most well-rounded midfielder who covers a lot of ground, and has a lot of tackles. He would bring up the intensity of our midfield which naturally drops because of Pjanic. Just take a look at his best days at Roma - played next to De Rossi and Nainggolan/Strootman - physical midfielders who allowed him to breathe. Khedira is very good on the ball but without it he's far from that. In an Ideal world we'd have Vidal there to play next to Pjanic or at least Allan. Lemina fits the bill as well but he needs to keep improving.
It's all about fielding the best players you have and correctly interpreting the game. Both seem to be random, mostly due to injuries and so many games to play, so Allegri is only thinking about collecting the most points he can. Quality wise we're kind of short in midfield and on the wings, so there's also a lot of work to be done for Marotta.
Look, we're not doing too well so I'd opt for picking up the best players and the formation will form itself just like the 352 under Conte or 4312 under Allegri.
I mean, you could call it 433/4321/4312 but it doesn't matter. The starting 11 picks up by itself :
Buffon
Dani Alves - Bonucci - X - Alex Sandro
Pjanic - Marchisio - Lemina
Cuadrado - Dybala
Higuain
You could make it a 4312 with Dybala as AM and Cuadrado as SS or the other way around; you could also make it a 433 with both of them going inside or down the lines - it doesn't matter. The details are up to Allegri, he has to make it balanced. You can even line up this squad into 352 - just drop Alves for a CB and then Cuadrado and Alex Sandro are wingbacks. Either way Cuadrado should be a starter IMO, even if Dybala comes back because he offers so much and is actually in very good form.
For the midfield I picked up Lemina because he's the most well-rounded midfielder who covers a lot of ground, and has a lot of tackles. He would bring up the intensity of our midfield which naturally drops because of Pjanic. Just take a look at his best days at Roma - played next to De Rossi and Nainggolan/Strootman - physical midfielders who allowed him to breathe. Khedira is very good on the ball but without it he's far from that. In an Ideal world we'd have Vidal there to play next to Pjanic or at least Allan. Lemina fits the bill as well but he needs to keep improving.
It's all about fielding the best players you have and correctly interpreting the game. Both seem to be random, mostly due to injuries and so many games to play, so Allegri is only thinking about collecting the most points he can. Quality wise we're kind of short in midfield and on the wings, so there's also a lot of work to be done for Marotta.
I agree!
As for formation it could be interpreted in many ways! We do have to replace Lemina with a more serious starter though! Lemina is a good backup but not a very good starter... as for our current team Khedira instead of Lemina and we`ll have the best 11 we can field! (Chiellini Barzagli Benatia depends on form)
As for formation it could be interpreted in many ways! We do have to replace Lemina with a more serious starter though! Lemina is a good backup but not a very good starter... as for our current team Khedira instead of Lemina and we`ll have the best 11 we can field! (Chiellini Barzagli Benatia depends on form)
EDIT: just to make my point clear. I have said, numerous times, that Cuadrado must start. But position is indeed relevant, because it involves player movement. And to me, the best fit for the team, considering Dybala's characteristics and movement, is Cuadrado as a RWB, not as a RW. I want him and Sandro to be aligned, for balance. I love that setup.
I like your post and your idea is correct. It's absolutely our best 11 right now. I agree that Cuadrado must play. But not in a wing based formation.
Look, Messi and Ronaldo can start from the wings and drift inside or outside because they are very explosive. Dybala is clearly not that kind of player. Actually, his vision and creativity is more unique and important to me than his dribbling/acceleration.
To me, he is absolutely best when playing through the middle. But most importantly, when drifts, he drifts to the right, because he needs space for his left foot. And it is almost exactly where Cuadrado plays, and where Cuadrado thrives.
Also, Cuadrado as an SS, without a quick winger on the left, has showed us what happens, in the beginning of the last season. The team just gets really unbalanced and very reliant on the right, becoming too predictable.
That's why those players you put won't do it IMO. Dybala + Cuadrado as a right offensive winger probably shifts the team too much towards the right. And that's why I don't think we can play a wing based formation right now.
However, I absolutely agree with you: Cuadrado must play, and in order to make the team more balanced, we need Sandro mirrowed on the other side. That's your 352.
So yes, I agree with you that Cuadrado must really start; but not in a winger based formation. I want to see him as a winger back. Replace Alves for a CB, and there you go.
Summing it up, I'm not talking about numbers or formations, but about player compatiblity. It makes a world of difference deploying Cuadrado as a winger or in a free roam position and using him as a wingback guy, holding position and having good balance with defensive duties.
I like your post and your idea is correct. It's absolutely our best 11 right now. I agree that Cuadrado must play. But not in a wing based formation.
Look, Messi and Ronaldo can start from the wings and drift inside or outside because they are very explosive. Dybala is clearly not that kind of player. Actually, his vision and creativity is more unique and important to me than his dribbling/acceleration.
To me, he is absolutely best when playing through the middle. But most importantly, when drifts, he drifts to the right, because he needs space for his left foot. And it is almost exactly where Cuadrado plays, and where Cuadrado thrives.
Also, Cuadrado as an SS, without a quick winger on the left, has showed us what happens, in the beginning of the last season. The team just gets really unbalanced and very reliant on the right, becoming too predictable.
That's why those players you put won't do it IMO. Dybala + Cuadrado as a right offensive winger probably shifts the team too much towards the right. And that's why I don't think we can play a wing based formation right now.
However, I absolutely agree with you: Cuadrado must play, and in order to make the team more balanced, we need Sandro mirrowed on the other side. That's your 352.
So yes, I agree with you that Cuadrado must really start; but not in a winger based formation. I want to see him as a winger back. Replace Alves for a CB, and there you go.
Summing it up, I'm not talking about numbers or formations, but about player compatiblity. It makes a world of difference deploying Cuadrado as a winger or in a free roam position and using him as a wingback guy, holding position and having good balance with defensive duties.
You guys think we are getting Bentacur in Jan? It seems like its quite possible. Also, is it possible for us to get BOTH Bentacur and Wistel in the same January transfer window? Would it mean that we need to let go of one of our midfielders for this to happen? i.e Hernanes, Asamoah, or Sturaro?
Also, what do we know about Bentacur....what are his characteristics?
Also, what do we know about Bentacur....what are his characteristics?
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