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Xperd

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Jun 1, 2012
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Buffon
Licht-Barzagli-Chiellini-Asamoah
Vidal-Marchisio-Pogba
Tevez/Sneijder-Berardi/Coman
Morata​

That team isn't terrible slow for next year. Getting Asamoah back will help. Berardi & Coman are pacey and we know that Morata is probably the fastest on the team I'd say.

We lose pace with Sneijder but gain it back with Berardi or Coman. We gain pace by benching Llorente for Morata. Gain pace by benching Pirlo for Marchisio.

Only worry is the CB's where everyone is a year older & slower. Any names pop up for CB's fellow Tuzzers?
We're not signing Sneijder
 
Jul 20, 2012
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Buffon
Licht-Barzagli-Chiellini-Asamoah
Vidal-Marchisio-Pogba
Tevez/Sneijder-Berardi/Coman
Morata​

That team isn't terrible slow for next year. Getting Asamoah back will help. Berardi & Coman are pacey and we know that Morata is probably the fastest on the team I'd say.

We lose pace with Sneijder but gain it back with Berardi or Coman. We gain pace by benching Llorente for Morata. Gain pace by benching Pirlo for Marchisio.

Only worry is the CB's where everyone is a year older & slower. Any names pop up for CB's fellow Tuzzers?
My problem with this is Coman likes to get more wide, and Tevez, Snejider, and Berardi play more centrally. So this formation if using Coman would have a wider player on the left, but on the right hand side we wouldn't have much width and it would force licht to push forward more leaving the right hand side a little more exposed. While I am a fan of the 4-3-2-1, I would much rather see players who could push wide and play centrally then one winger and one cam.
 

CrimsonianKing

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Jan 16, 2013
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transfermarkt :touched:. pretty much weekly reports about clubs willing to offer 70m+ -> "yeah i guess he´s worth 50m"


iirc statistically he is the worst finisher (most shots - zero goals) in the bundesliga.
alltogether: over 1500min played, 1 goal (german cup against 3rd tier stuttgarter kickers ;)), 1 assist. :tuttosport:

he is ahead of kagawa in the pecking order. kagawa flopped pretty hard after he his good 1st/2nd game.
okay so the guy scored over 100 goals in his pro career and now, overnight he is worse finisher than pereyra. wtf man seriously
People are not taking into considering a very important factor. When a team goes down like Dortmund it's hard to get back up and mentally it affects every player in the team. We complain about our team being mentally weak, imagine if we were at the bottom of the table, where would our confidence be?

Ginter's own goal is proof of that. One bad thing leading to another. You simply can't judge a Borussia player based on this season, it's not fair.
 

Hust

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My problem with this is Coman likes to get more wide, and Tevez, Snejider, and Berardi play more centrally. So this formation if using Coman would have a wider player on the left, but on the right hand side we wouldn't have much width and it would force licht to push forward more leaving the right hand side a little more exposed. While I am a fan of the 4-3-2-1, I would much rather see players who could push wide and play centrally then one winger and one cam.
People when they see a formation here here assume the players will be running in straight lines the entire time. There is no reason Coman can't drift or even swap with the player next to him during the game to mix it up. The 4321 formation gives Coman the entire area to the left of himself and the striker to channel into.

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Furthermore, the two behind the strikers can move into space giving the outside backs (licht/asa) someone to link with

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That why they aren't pushing so far up so often.
 
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People when they see a formation here here assume the players will be running in straight lines the entire time. There is no reason Coman can't drift or even swap with the player next to him during the game to mix it up. The 4321 formation gives Coman the entire area to the left of himself and the striker to channel into.

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Furthermore, the two behind the strikers can move into space giving the outside backs (licht/asa) someone to link with
Yes that is totally true but like the 4-3-1-2 a lot of the play runs through the fullbacks. Unless the front 3 is consisting of Any of Tevez, Morata, Coman, Berardi, I'd rather we switch to a 4-3-3 with true wingers and morata as a cf
 

Hust

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May 29, 2005
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Yes that is totally true but like the 4-3-1-2 a lot of the play runs through the fullbacks. Unless the front 3 is consisting of Any of Tevez, Morata, Coman, Berardi, I'd rather we switch to a 4-3-3 with true wingers and morata as a cf
433 :superhapp (I agree with that, obviously)

Here is my take on the 4321: Having a more mobile striker like Morata will help out quite a bit. With Llorente there is only so far he can run without getting outpaced so his movement limits us unless he is in and around the box. Morata can hit the channels dragging defenders opening up for the two behind him. Also, a more mobile 3 I would think in theory help the RB & LB from having to burst into channels on their own because no one else is/can/will.
 
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Why do you guys go on and on about Shaqiri for the most part it sounds like media bs when we havw been linked to him. While id like him here we arent getting him so just stop. And with all these people complaining about pereyra costing more than shaqiri, do you hear yourselves. We all knew we would overpay for Pereyra yet you guys are judging him on half a season. Give the guy time and just stop with these stupid comparsions.

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433 :superhapp (I agree with that, obviously)

Here is my take on the 4321: Having a more mobile striker like Morata will help out quite a bit. With Llorente there is only so far he can run without getting outpaced so his movement limits us unless he is in and around the box. Morata can hit the channels dragging defenders opening up for the two behind him. Also, a more mobile 3 I would think in theory help the RB & LB from having to burst into channels on their own because no one else is/can/will.
Exactly if you have a front three consisting of say coman, tevez, and morata they could easily interchange positions and create room for not only the other attacking players but also to provide the space for the deep runs from midfield, like marchisio/pogba and vidal
 

Hust

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May 29, 2005
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I like you Alex.

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Taking Pirlo out would give a midfield 3 of Vidal-Marchisio-Pogba the opportunities to contribute to attack without having to sit back and cover for Pirlo.

As much as I love Pirlo the entire formation is built around him.
 
Jul 20, 2012
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I like you Alex.

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Taking Pirlo out would give a midfield 3 of Vidal-Marchisio-Pogba the opportunities to contribute to attack without having to sit back and cover for Pirlo.

As much as I love Pirlo the entire formation is built around him.
I love you Cam.

I think I said it enough times here. I've never been a fan of Pirlo and while I respect him and acknowledge his contribution to this team, he shouldn't start anymore. We have seen how much better our team is with Marchisio as the cdm. Much more composed and prevents a lot of counter attacking threats, while Pirlo starts them for the opposition.
 

zizinho

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Apr 14, 2013
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transfermarkt :touched:. pretty much weekly reports about clubs willing to offer 70m+ -> "yeah i guess he´s worth 50m"


iirc statistically he is the worst finisher (most shots - zero goals) in the bundesliga.
alltogether: over 1500min played, 1 goal (german cup against 3rd tier stuttgarter kickers ;)), 1 assist. :tuttosport:

he is ahead of kagawa in the pecking order. kagawa flopped pretty hard after he his good 1st/2nd game.
damn, what happened to him? he scored 25 league goals 2 years ago (yeah its the Ukrainian League) but last season he also had 9 league goals for Dortmund. never thought hes such a bad finisher...
 

italiacalcio10

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I like you Alex.

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Taking Pirlo out would give a midfield 3 of Vidal-Marchisio-Pogba the opportunities to contribute to attack without having to sit back and cover for Pirlo.

As much as I love Pirlo the entire formation is built around him.
Definitely true. Plus if you add a trequartista, the need for the regista becomes a lot less pronounced. Plus lets be honest, you do need a creative outlet in the final third or else you end up attempting dumb repetitive tactics.

For example:
When we have Bonucci and Pirlo aimlessly fire long balls into the box or to transition into attack despite being foiled repeatedly.


An even more severe example:
Pre-Mata United last year and the death by crossing strategy. I beieve it may have be Fulham that it was but I remember watching a United game last year and I was astonished at the amount of crosses attempted to no avail. It was like watching someone try to unlock a door with the wrong key....for 90 minutes! With a 10 minute break to catch their break and think.

Even more useful would be a creative player with above average pace and one on one ability. We sorely lack that. Shaqiri I thought could be that but some seemed to suggest his creative ability is rather limited. We need an Eden Hazard, which obviously is about as realistic and Parma fulfilling its wage obligations pre-sale. The one limitation of a player like Sneijder is that he is mostly a passing outlet but can't really link the attack through deep runs and an ability to beat his mark from time to time. The most effective CAMs can do both.
 
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