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[Pirlo's Beard]

Just out of curiosity who do people think has a better CB department than Juve currently?

People are stuck in a different generation when it comes to expectations right now. I look at the best club in the World right now in Madrid and I see their starting CBs as a loose cannon who always fucks up in Pepe, and an overly aggressive, attack minded idiot who makes up for his blunders with headed goals in Ramos.


FFS our CB department is fantastic by todays standards and unless we want to spend fucking 60M improving it instead of sorting out our narrow as fuck, one dimensional attack then we're not going to improve it unless we produce serious talent ourselves.

I'm so fucking bored of hearing about how bad our defence is as a unit when it's arguably the best out there, meanwhile we can barely create a chance in tight games and there's about 40 different things we could do to help ourselves improve in that area.

 

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[Ocelot]

Really? Other than his passes I'd say he's pretty bad with the ball. Better than Chiellini but still kinda bad.

I'm scared as fuck when I see him holding the ball and other team pressing.

For a defender, he's far from bad imo. Sure, he's no Hummels or Dante, but he's solid with the ball. I think most fans of every team get nervous when their CBs are pressed

 

[frzl]

Point of my post was the thing I quoted you for. Your judgment on Nastasic which is plain silly.

eh? the whole point was that there aren´t any good defenders available in january who cost close to nothing and preferably are still allowed to play cl and yet names like nastasic, schär (schar ) and rugani (that one is understandable imo) get tossed around like we could just pick from them.
i´m fully aware of the fact that comparing these players to rolando doesn´t make sense on so many levels but i wasn´t the one who started it, i was the one criticizing it.

maybe the formulation was a bit off but tbh, it´s kinda weird that you seem to ignore tons and tons of complete bullshit, trollposts, provocation etc., written in this thread just to get hung up on a sentence like that ^^.
not the first time it happened as well. is it my avatar or...?

I wouldn't really mind loaning Rolando, as long as it's not obligation to buy. I was just making myself clear how bad would it be.

i can live with that. although i would describe him more as solid-ish when playing against most serie a sides.
i´m really not looking forward to him playing in the cl or against roma, napoli and the likes. but i think i´ve stated that like 20 times already.

 

[Ocelot]

Just out of curiosity who do people think has a better CB department than Juve currently?

People are stuck in a different generation when it comes to expectations right now. I look at the best club in the World right now in Madrid and I see their starting CBs as a loose cannon who always fucks up in Pepe, and an overly aggressive, attack minded idiot who makes up for his blunders with headed goals in Ramos.


FFS our CB department is fantastic by todays standards and unless we want to spend fucking 60M improving it instead of sorting out our narrow as fuck, one dimensional attack then we're not going to improve it unless we produce serious talent ourselves.

I'm so fucking bored of hearing about how bad our defence is as a unit when it's arguably the best out there, meanwhile we can barely create a chance in tight games and there's about 40 different things we could do to help ourselves improve in that area.

If Barzagli and Caceres aren't going to get their injuries sorted out, about which the management surely knows more than us than we do, a short term fix aka Rolando is defenitely supportable. Otherwise, yes, our CB department is excellent, relatively that is.


It's not gonna be a permanent transfer.

 

[frzl]

If Barzagli and Caceres aren't going to get their injuries sorted out, about which the management surely knows more than us than we do, a short term fix aka Rolando is defenitely supportable. Otherwise, yes, our CB department is excellent, relatively that is.

exactly my point (the first half). i´m 100% convinced that we wouldn´t get rolando if barzagli and caceres weren´t injured or if we knew for sure that they will be back (to "full" fitness) right away.
you will get slaughtered for the second half of your statement though but maybe zach won´t see it ^^.

 

[Dostoevsky]

eh? the whole point was that there aren´t any good defenders available in january who cost close to nothing and preferably are still allowed to play cl and yet names like nastasic, schär (schar ) and rugani (that one is understandable imo) get tossed around like we could just pick from them.
i´m fully aware of the fact that comparing these players to rolando doesn´t make sense on so many levels but i wasn´t the one who started it, i was the one criticizing it.

maybe the formulation was a bit off but tbh, it´s kinda weird that you seem to ignore tons and tons of complete bullshit, trollposts, provocation etc., written in this thread just to get hung up on a sentence like that ^^.
not the first time it happened as well. is it my avatar or...?


i can live with that. although i would describe him more as solid-ish when playing against most serie a sides.
i´m really not looking forward to him playing in the cl or against roma, napoli and the likes. but i think i´ve stated that like 20 times already.

No seriously. Just look at this "buy nastasic. he hasn´t played in ages and can´t even make the city bench but hey". Judging by that you'd only get a feeling how you mock and think shit of him. And yeah I know you like him. But there was no need to say anything like that lol. And I completely agree with the retardism of 'just buy Nastasic' on the other hand.

Sure, there's a reason why. I, most of the time, do ignore BS posts in this thread. Simply because they are BS and there's nothing to argue about. I've been here for many years and believe me when I tell you that I used to respond on every single one of that. It always turns out to be pointless. I'm not taunting you, but you're one of the few that knows his stuff, so I'd rather describe it as debate, questioning or whatever. Other reason is that I have less time, I do read majority of posts but most of the time just scan through the pages and catch something. I even forget to repost to some, so I can also apologize for that, it's just without intention and I completely forget the 'I'll respond later', and then days pass by.

And yes, your avatar is really horrible.

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exactly my point (the first half). i´m 100% convinced that we wouldn´t get rolando if barzagli and caceres weren´t injured or if we knew for sure that they will be back (to "full" fitness) right away.
you will get slaughtered for the second half of your statement though but maybe zach won´t see it ^^.

And Zach is right. We desperately need a quality CB at the moment. Especially if we're gonna stick with 4 man defense.

It's even more alarming because of the fact how Evra underperforms right now. And no, Asamoah is not a LB.

So I really don't know how can people classify our defense as good, let alone excellent. IMO it's very fragile and relied on our midfielders to carry the game.

 

[Maddy]

If Barzagli and Caceres aren't going to get their injuries sorted out, about which the management surely knows more than us than we do, a short term fix aka Rolando is defenitely supportable. Otherwise, yes, our CB department is excellent, relatively that is.


It's not gonna be a permanent transfer.

Our CB's aren't excellent. They are decent to good (Barzagli and Chiellini is a top 10 CB pair in Europe, when both in form). But not at all excellent. In Serie A they can dominate due to the league's pure shittyness, but when the best in europe challenges our defense you see that they aren't as good as soem claim.

Excellence CBs you'll find in Madrid, Paris, London and München.

I remember when 'Tuz'ers claimed we had the best defense in Europe thru out 2012-2014. That was fucken stupid.

 

[Ocelot]

And yes, your avatar is really horrible.

And Zach is right. We desperately need a quality CB at the moment. Especially if we're gonna stick with 4 man defense.

It's even more alarming because of the fact how Evra underperforms right now. And no, Asamoah is not a LB.

So I really don't know how can people classify our defense as good, let alone excellent. IMO it's very fragile and relied on our midfielders to carry the game.

Of course it could be a lot better, but I can't name more than perhaps two teams with better CBs (Bayern & Atletico). And Nastasic makes not that much sense considering we got a young promising defender joining our ranks in summer anyways, and would we add Nastasic as well both would get way too little playtime to be able to develop properly.

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Our CB's aren't excellent. They are decent to good (Barzagli and Chiellini is a top 10 CB pair in Europe, when both in form). But not at all excellent. In Serie A they can dominate due to the league's pure shittyness, but when the best in europe challenges our defense you see that they aren't as good as soem claim.

Excellence CBs you'll find in Madrid, Paris, London and München.

I remember when 'Tuz'ers claimed we had the best defense in Europe thru out 2012-2014. That was fucken stupid.

It's excellent relatively .

And Paris and Londond don't have better CBs than us.

 

[Dostoevsky]

Our CB's aren't excellent. They are decent to good (Barzagli and Chiellini is a top 10 CB pair in Europe, when both in form). But not at all excellent. In Serie A they can dominate due to the league's pure shittyness, but when the best in europe challenges our defense you see that they aren't as good as soem claim.

Excellence CBs you'll find in Madrid, Paris, London and München.

I remember when 'Tuz'ers claimed we had the best defense in Europe thru out 2012-2014. That was fucken stupid.

but I can't name more than perhaps two teams with better CBs (Bayern & Atletico).

Oh come on ffs!

 

[Maddy]

And Paris and Londond don't have better CBs than us.

Obviously it's subjective and hard to compare league to league. But I find our defense in general very overrated. We've got [one of] the best defenses and midfields in the World according to soem on 'Tuz. Yet they haven't performed liek the best against the best.

 

[GordoDeCentral]

psg got thiago silva and marquinhos, both better than what we got
chelsea got cahill and terry, better by far

our CBs are pretty unreliable/bad, except for barzagli who is an unknown value at this point

 

[Maddy]

psg got thiago silva and marquinhos, both better than what we got
chelsea got cahill and terry, better by far

our CBs are pretty unreliable/bad, except for barzagli who is an unknown value at this point

Terry and Cahill have been great this season. Quite surprised about Cahill stepping up and Terry perhaps playing his best ever football.

 

[Bianconero_Aus]

Thiago Silva is the most overrated CB ever. Seriously, I can't fucken believe the Meelahn hype machine has tricked so many people (even folks on here) Marquinhos has a lot of potential, and can be one of the best someday, but nowhere near the finished product. Our CBs (Chiellini and Barzagli pairing) are better. Let's not be ridiculous here.

 

[GordoDeCentral]

it doesnt matter how hyped or overrated any of those guys are they are miles better than bonucci who is currently our best CB, barzagli hasnt kicked a ball in 6 months, who knows how he will be when/if he is back

 

[CrimsonianKing]

@zizinho @CrimsonianKing Firminho is the fourth highest rated player of 2014 at whoscored

Um gênio.

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I think our defense is what's overrated... by us. Just because they do okay against Serie A teams who sit deep means squat.

Except Barzagli, I don't need to remind you all how inconsistent both Chiellini and Bonucci have been in the last 2,3 seasons at CL level.

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Our CB's aren't excellent. They are decent to good (Barzagli and Chiellini is a top 10 CB pair in Europe, when both in form). But not at all excellent. In Serie A they can dominate due to the league's pure shittyness, but when the best in europe challenges our defense you see that they aren't as good as soem claim.

Excellence CBs you'll find in Madrid, Paris, London and München.

I remember when 'Tuz'ers claimed we had the best defense in Europe thru out 2012-2014. That was fucken stupid.

It's the same people who said we had the best mid in the world. A mid that would get raped and look like headless chickens when matched against top teams with truly better mids.

 

[frzl]

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ok, i can agree with (almost) everything in that post but the avatar part . thanks for elaborating.


according to a tuttojuve exclusive agree bayern are asking 18m for shaqiri and are fine with a loan+obligation type of deal.
hope google translate didn´t let me down:
http://www.tuttojuve.com/calciomercato/esclusiva-tj-shaqiri-il-bayern-ha-fatto-il-prezzo-217528

 

[Pirlo's Beard]

Marquinhos? LMAO he would not start for us

 

[Dostoevsky]

our CBs are pretty unreliable/bad, except for barzagli who is an unknown value at this point

I think our defense is what's overrated... by us. Just because they do okay against Serie A teams who sit deep means squat.

Except Barzagli, I don't need to remind you all how inconsistent both Chiellini and Bonucci have been in the last 2,3 seasons at CL level.

And I would welcome Marquinhos here with open arms.

 

[Pirlo's Beard]

Let's spend all our money on 10 more CBs and neglect our shit attack and ignore the fact we're about as creative as West Brom.

 

[Maddy]

FalcaON in Manchester