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Lion

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Jan 24, 2007
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Careca is another.

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So what are we really comparing here? One's talent as a professional footballer and his achievements to an extent or just who's more famous?

They always name Cafú and forget Jorginho. Or in Bjerknes' link case, Lúcio and forget Aldair. Who were clearly better players.
maybe because pre 2000, it wasnt as easy to get access to watch games? or even if did, most would be too young to know what goodfooball was?

most people didnt have microwaves in the 80s and 90s, or satellite dishes.

always amusing to see some 30s or 40s fucker come in and tell about how amazing this or that player was when he might have seen him play 3-12 games only in his career, when nowadays you can watch every single match of a players career easily. this is not directed at you of course. i respect you and your opinion, just making a point.
 

GordoDeCentral

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Maradona ahead of Pelé is absurd. and Ronaldo no 2? :lol:

This list is ridiculous, X.
i agree with the list with the exception of redondo

There's absolutely nothing Maradona has done that Pelé hasn't done it better. This whole Pelé vs. Maradona comparison is laughable.

And Ronaldo no 2? Really? Why is Ronaldo always so overrated by Europeans? If we look at Brazil's Football history, Ronaldo was the last great striker, but before him there were many and most of them in our opinion were better Footballers, Romário is a good example. Careca is another.

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So what are we really comparing here? One's talent as a professional footballer and his achievements to an extent or just who's more famous?

They always name Cafú and forget Jorginho. Or in Bjerknes' link case, Lúcio and forget Aldair. Who were clearly better players.
it's a combination of skill and accomplishments, while romario was fantastic no doubt his game also lacked the physicality of ronaldo, not to mention the latter accomplished more. As for pele being better than maradona? :lol: at least diego played in a time where people took the game seriously, a team of tuzzers could have fuckin won the WC in sweden.

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:lol: also just read a rumor that arsenal thinking of spending 40 mil on dybala
 

CrimsonianKing

Count Mbangula
Jan 16, 2013
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maybe because pre 2000, it wasnt as easy to get access to watch games? or even if did, most would be too young to know what goodfooball was?

most people didnt have microwaves in the 80s and 90s, or satellite dishes.

always amusing to see some 30s or 40s fucker come in and tell about how amazing this or that player was when he might have seen him play 3-12 games only in his career, when nowadays you can watch every single match of a players career easily. this is not directed at you of course. i respect you and your opinion, just making a point.
It wasn't that different, Lion. In the late 80's and early 90's Italian Football was at the top and it was on regular TV week in, week out. At least in my country. Same goes for the Spanish league then. You could easily follow the big teams.

Of course if people wanted to watch something like the Eredivisie you just couldn't. In fact, they showed more foreign matches than local. To watch a local team we had to actually go to the stadium or listen to the radio.

My point is, no, those 30s and 40s fucker didn't necessarily watch only 3-12 matches of a player's career. It all depends where you were from and what you contry offered in terms of sports channels.

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i agree with the list with the exception of redondo



it's a combination of skill and accomplishments, while romario was fantastic no doubt his game also lacked the physicality of ronaldo, not to mention the latter accomplished more. As for pele being better than maradona? :lol: at least diego played in a time where people took the game seriously, a team of tuzzers could have fuckin won the WC in sweden.

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:lol: also just read a rumor that arsenal thinking of spending 40 mil on dybala
I could imagine this coming from some peasants but not from you. I'll pretend i didn't read this rubbish. :D

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Where do you place Romario in the discussion of Brazilian greats? Pele, Garrincha, Zico, Ronaldo, Rivelino, Jairzinho, Cafu, Socrates...?
@CrimsonianKing
We'd have to put them into different categories. Romário was more of a poacher, the best there was.
 

GordoDeCentral

Diez
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Apr 14, 2005
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It wasn't that different, Lion. In the late 80's and early 90's Italian Football was at the top and it was on regular TV week in, week out. At least in my country. Same goes for the Spanish league then. You could easily follow the big teams.

Of course if people wanted to watch something like the Eredivisie you just couldn't. In fact, they showed more foreign matches than local. To watch a local team we had to actually go to the stadium or listen to the radio.

My point is, no, those 30s and 40s fucker didn't necessarily watch only 3-12 matches of a player's career. It all depends where you were from and what you contry offered in terms of sports channels.

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I could imagine this coming from some peasants but not from you. I'll pretend i didn't read this rubbish. :D

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We'd have to put them into different categories. Romário was more of a poacher, the best there was.


i have one simple question peasant :p and i trust your honesty, does brazil win the WC without pele in 58 and 70?
 

CrimsonianKing

Count Mbangula
Jan 16, 2013
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i have one simple question peasant :p and i trust your honesty, does brazil win the WC without pele in 58 and 70?
I can only assume. In 58' probably no, he was a beast against both France and Sweden. In 70' he was just as important and a main factor for the title but the overall team is pretty well balanced.

The question is, that 82' team with Pelé, would it have won it? My educated guess would be that it would then have a much greater chance. Making the point you're trying to make which is that "Maradona carried that 86' team on his back" invalid.

Truth is he didn't, that was a solid team. I suggest you watch the matches again if you didn't already,
 

GordoDeCentral

Diez
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I can only assume. In 58' probably no, he was a beast against both France and Sweden. In 70' he was just as important and a main factor for the title but the overall team is pretty well balanced.

The question is, that 82' team with Pelé, would it have won it? My educated guess would be that it would then have a much greater chance. Making the point you're trying to make which is that "Maradona carried that 86' team on his back" invalid.

Truth is he didn't, that was a solid team. I suggest you watch the matches again if you didn't already,
garrincha did the heavy lifting in the first 2, as exhibited by brazil winning it without pele in 62, and that 70 team was probably the most stacked in history, so it's pretty clear to me.


Another reason to love that list is henry is not in the top 100 @Fred, and thats a french site :lol: also roman>xavi/iniesta :heart:
 

CrimsonianKing

Count Mbangula
Jan 16, 2013
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garrincha did the heavy lifting in the first 2, as exhibited by brazil winning it without pele in 62, and that 70 team was probably the most stacked in history, so it's pretty clear to me.


Another reason to love that list is henry is not in the top 100 @Fred, and thats a french site :lol: also roman>xavi/iniesta :heart:
What's pretty clear to you? :lol: Maradona will always be second choice, get over it.

Now before going back on topic i'll leave you this video fo Romário putting Maradona on his place. Right between the legs.

 

Post Ironic

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Feb 9, 2013
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garrincha did the heavy lifting in the first 2, as exhibited by brazil winning it without pele in 62, and that 70 team was probably the most stacked in history, so it's pretty clear to me.


Another reason to love that list is henry is not in the top 100 @Fred, and thats a french site :lol: also roman>xavi/iniesta :heart:
That list places Bergkamp in the top 15 of all time. Retarded. :p
 

Fred

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Oct 2, 2003
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garrincha did the heavy lifting in the first 2, as exhibited by brazil winning it without pele in 62, and that 70 team was probably the most stacked in history, so it's pretty clear to me.


Another reason to love that list is henry is not in the top 100 @Fred, and thats a french site :lol: also roman>xavi/iniesta :heart:
Its a meaningless list. No one person has the ability to compare all those players over a 60 -70 year period. One thing I can tell you for sure is that Theirry was one of the best players in the Premiership, the fact that you have Tony Adams, Roy Keane and Giggs on that list and Henry is not there, is questionable. I mean I can understand a legend like Giggs, even though he didn't reach heights Henry did between 2002-2006 in terms of individual performance, but Keane and Adams better than Henry?

Silly list like all other lists that compare thousands of players over such a long time period.

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Its a meaningless list. No one person has the ability to compare all those players over a 60 -70 year period. One thing I can tell you for sure is that Theirry was one of the best players in the Premiership, the fact that you have Tony Adams, Roy Keane and Giggs on that list and Henry is not there, is questionable. I mean I can understand a legend like Giggs, even though he didn't reach heights Henry did between 2002-2006 in terms of individual performance, but Keane and Adams better than Henry?

Silly list like all other lists that compare thousands of players over such a long time period.


Oh and one other thing X, I love Roman, he was a player that represented a dying breed, I used to watch Villareal every week back when he was there. But to say he was better than Xavi is nothing short of laughable, I mean maybe you could say he had the potential and talent to be better(albeit unfulfilled) but if we're comparing players in terms of performance levels, consistency and results? even Roman will tell you he only wishes to have half the career Xavi had. When I say that I don't mean in terms of trophies won, because then even Pique can claim to be better than Cannavaro, but I mean in terms of individual performance and contribution to those trophies, for a long time Xavi was the barometer for midfielders in Europe, the guy was consistently one of the best in his position for 5-6 years.
 

LiquidPLP

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Jun 9, 2012
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But will Shaqiri really be the fix to our problem?
It depends on what are your expectations. He won't be able to play in CL and he could be useful there. Overall I expect him to link up with Tevez well and take some responsibilities from him when it comes to creating the game. More technical and speedy attack is what we need.

Maybe.
What I know is that he is a much better option than $#@!ing Sneijder(31) or Ben Arfa(Newcastle failure).
Word.
 

kao_ray

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Feb 28, 2014
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Juve: Sneijder, Shaqiri, Ben Arfa?
Well, Shaqiri won't come. We're left with Ben Afra and Sneijder. Sneijder is cup tied, so Ben Afra could be it. Not sure what to think about that? Couldn't we use Taarabt from QPR. He was the most decent player in Milan last season?
 
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