why are people so stupid (4 Viewers)

Slagathor

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Jul 25, 2001
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++ [ originally posted by mikhail ] ++
Apalling. Where in your country's privacy laws does it say "except for the secret service"? Is that kind of thing even constitutional?
We don't have an article in our constitution specifically referring to privacy actually. Furthermore, the government is allowed quite something (compared to other nations) in order to protect the people. This comes out of a long history of terror in this country. I'm fine with it, really. Don't have anything to hide.

The latest parliamentary debate is on DNA gathering. Soon every Dutch citizen's DNA will be ... how do you say that in English ... saved? Stored? In order to speed up the justice system.

They check ten emails for every one sent? I think they need a slightly more efficient system.;)
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Smarter, better informed people than you and I don't know what will happen to Europe, but I'd speculate that a serious threat like an expansionist China would be a unifying force, even if Britain was to go its own (American) way.
Well said! Then again, there is still a small chance this might turn out the opposite. There were unification movements in Europe in the past, these were usually disturbed when the threat of war appeared. It seems to have a nationalist, patriotic effect on people. They focus on protecting their nation and their nation alone.

I imagine the Russians will be worried about China eyeing up Siberia. Besides, if enough time elapses, they may well be part of Europe at that stage.
I heard a fascinating theory about that actually. The idea is that the EU doesn't flirt openly with Belarussia and the Ukraine so that Putin's idea of a reunified Great Russia can live on a bit longer and over time, the incredibly diverse country that is Russia could well part. Leaving the West (including Moscow and Saint Petersburg, basically all of Russia West of the Kaukasus mountains) focused on joining the EU while the East could go a completely other way.

I don't quite remember exactly why Russia is likely to part but it was something fairly realistic ... wish I still knew!
 

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Majed

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++ [ originally posted by mikhail ] ++
Pendir, great post.


All true. The thing is, the US is quite capable of playing the card hypocritically - they claimed that they were going into Iraq to remove a dangerous, dictatorial regieme, while basing their troops in Soudi Arabia - a pretty nasty place to live by all accounts. ( Who wants to lay odds on a Saudi spotting this and argueing with me?! :D )

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The Arif

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Jan 31, 2004
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yeah, why are people so stupid.?

last two days, in my country (KOSOVA) there was a huge conflict between Kosovo Forces (KFOR), albanians and serbs.

and in these two days were killed at least 32 ppl. albanians burned a lot of serbian houses and churches.

this all started when some serbs blocked the road Prishtina - Scopje (Macedonia), and after that, three albanian children were killed (biggest child was 12 yrs old, smallest 8 yrs old:down:), in the river and it was serbs fault coz they chased them with a dog...


conflict continues...:down:
 

The Arif

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you know, terrorists should give up...but these you can't call terrorists. coz they are "fighting" for albanian right in Kosova... coz it were a lot of bad things caused by serbs...so albanians were pissed off, and they are "fighting" for albanian rights.

you can't say rights, but something like that...fighting for the peacefull Kosovo...and they are iiritated by the serbs who killed three albanian children... :down:



proud to be albanian and juventino.
 

Slagathor

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We live on a mad Continent, Arif. But though our part of the world has never known absolute peace, take some cosolation from the fact that conflicts move and you might soon be in the clear.

Not much to be joyful about I know but it's the best I can do I'm afraid...
 

The Arif

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yes Erik. even that that hurts, it's true. but i think for a day or two it will be all clear. but what hurts me a lot, that in the Security Council, evereybody was talking against kosova, and they all knew that albanians are right...damn politics :fero:


i'm against terrorism anywhere in the world....
 

The Arif

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hehe Martin for now, i'm safe... but in my town there's not a conflict in the center of the town. just in some serbian villages, but now you can't call them serbian, coz there doesn't live any serb no more...all their houses are burned.. oh yes, in my town, there are burned some serbian flats, so in don't think there are so many serbs in Prishtina...
 

gray

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Apr 22, 2003
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++ [ originally posted by Martin ] ++
Ari, you are on scene? Stay safe please! :scared:
Yeah I heard on the news that Prishtina was a hotspot, and i got worried :scared:

btw on a tangent, :eek: I've always read that nickname as artifelly :eek:
 

The Arif

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Jan 31, 2004
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here are some news from kosova :


Kosovo rioters burn Serb churches


Religious symbols are bearing the brunt of the violence
Mobs of angry Albanians in Kosovo have burned Serbian Orthodox churches and homes on a second day of violence which is showing no sign of a let-up.

The attacks came as Nato announced it was sending another 1,000 troops to reinforce the 18,500 already there.

At least 31 people have died in the worst violence since the 1999 Kosovo war and about 500 have been injured.

The UN Security Council meeting in a special session is expected to condemn the violence and urge calm.

Trouble erupted in the divided city of Mitrovica after the deaths of two Albanian children, blamed on members of the province's small ethnic Serbian community.

As attacks multiplied, angry demonstrators over the border in Serbia itself responded by burning several mosques.

International staff have been relocated from Mitrovica as a result of the violence, UN Secretary General Kofi Annan told the Security Council meeting.


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A Serb Orthodox church in the heart of Pristina was the target of the latest attack on Thursday evening.


Earlier, Albanians managed to get past Nato peacekeepers to set fire to churches in Mitrovica and the town of Obilic, west Pristina, where about 100 local Serbs had to be evacuated.

Crowds of Albanians were also reported to be trying to storm a church being protected by Finnish peacekeepers in the central town of Lipljan.

Nato troops had to use teargas against Albanian protesters seeking to march on the village of Caglavica, south of Pristina, for the second day on Thursday.


Flights in and out of Kosovo have been suspended and internal boundaries with Serbia have been closed.

Nato officials insist that the alliance and the United Nations, which administers the province, are committed to quelling tensions.

But the top commander of the Nato-led force in Kosovo, known as K-For, has authorised the troops to use force if necessary.

The European Union has called on local leaders to rein in the violence - and the main Kosovo Albanian political parties have issued a statement urging their supporters to call off the protests.

Mr Annan urged co-operation with the international presence in Kosovo, but his message was aimed primarily at the Kosovo Albanian leaders, who - as the largest ethnic group - had a responsibility "to protect and promote the rights of all people within Kosovo, particularly its minorities".

Serbia has condemned both Nato and the UN for failing to protect the Serb minority in the province.

Prime Minister Vojislav Kostunica has described the attacks as "planned in advance and co-ordinated... this was an attempted pogrom and ethnic cleansing" against Kosovo's Serbs.

He has called for a state of emergency to be imposed in Kosovo.

Protesters in Serbia have taken to the streets again to demonstrate their support for the Kosovo Serbs - after having stoned and burned mosques and other Islamic buildings on Wednesday.


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Reinforcements for Nato peacekeepers have started arriving in Kosovo where clashes between ethnic Albanians and Serbs left more than 30 people dead.
An advance party of 150 UK forces flew in overnight. Hundreds more German and French troops are also being sent.

The situation in the flashpoint town of Mitrovica was described as very tense on Friday, with more attacks reported on Serb areas overnight.

The UN pulled its staff out of the divided town late on Thursday.


UN Secretary General Kofi Annan said the decision had been taken in view of the worsening security situation since trouble erupted on Tuesday.

Mr Annan said it showed that, despite the progress, communities in Kosovo were not ready to accept multi-ethnicity.

He was addressing a special session of the UN Security Council after the worst violence since the 1999 Kosovo war.

Mobs of angry Albanians set alight Serbian Orthodox churches and Serb-owned homes across Kosovo on Thursday.

The Serbian government has called a demonstration in Belgrade to protest against the attacks, and observers say a big turnout is expected.


'Sniper attacks'

The BBC's Nick Thorpe in the predominantly Serb north of Mitrovica says the bridge across the river Iber is blocked by armoured cars of the Nato-led forces.


French soldiers with guns and riot police are patrolling the streets.

During the night, there were reports of shooting which Serbs blamed on Albanian snipers.

French forces searched ethnic Albanian blocks of flats near the river early on Friday in an attempt to track down the gunmen.

The first extra contingent of 750 soldiers being sent by the UK arrived in the region's capital Pristina overnight.

Germany's Defence Minister Peter Struck said on Friday that a further 600 peacekeepers were being sent to join German forces in Kosovo, with deployment starting on Saturday.

France also says it is sending in hundreds more troops from Friday.

At least 17,000 peacekeepers are already based in Kosovo.

Attacks multiply

Trouble first erupted in the divided city of Mitrovica after the deaths by drowning of two Albanian children were blamed on members of Kosovo's small Serbian minority.



 

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