why are people so stupid (5 Viewers)

[Elnur_E65]

++ [ originally posted by Zlatan ] ++
Yes, but just look at the money American companies will get for rebuilding Iraq...

Exactly. Bechtel and Hulliburton were already awarded some $15 billion worth of contracts for 2003 and 2004 (and there is more to come!). And guess who the owner of Hulliburton is- US Vice President Dick Chaney!

It's not only that. At the peak of its oil production before the Desert Storm Iraq's daily oil output was 8 million barrels per day (daily demand for oil worldwide is 66 million barrels per day). After the war output has slipped to just above 1 million in the framework of the "oil for food program". But Iraq (having second largest oil reserves in the world after Saudi Arabia) does posess HUGE oil fields in the North which are yet to be explorated. If they are, this will boost Iraq's daily output to 15 million barrels per day within 5 years. This will significantly increase the supply and prices will therefore fall.

If the US controls Iraq- they will control 23% of oil output by 2009. So, we are talking about billions of dollars of American and British investment (in the upstream oil&gas only) + literally trillions and trillions of oil money during the next decade. This will boost the American economy once again and make everyone happy.

So, Bush has done a brillian tactical maneuvre by going into Iraq- you spend couple of hundred billion, but later your country enjoys the benefits of trillions. You lower taxes and lower budet deficit. Republicans will be in the white house forever!

 

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[Zlatan]

Exactly, most of the companies that are doing work in Iraq are cnnected to either Bush, Chaney or their close friends.

Go Kerry!!!

 

[Elnur_E65]

++ [ originally posted by Zlatan ] ++
Exactly, most of the companies that are doing work in Iraq are cnnected to either Bush, Chaney or their close friends.

Go Kerry!!!

Oh come on, you think that Kerry will be better than Bush?

 

[sallyinzaghi]

Kerry looks like a bit of an idiot to me, but fun

 

[Zlatan]

++ [ originally posted by Pendir ] ++


Oh come on, you think that Kerry will be better than Bush?

I dont know, but at least he's a democrat.

 

[mikhail]

++ [ originally posted by Pendir ] ++
And guess who the owner of Hulliburton is- US Vice President Dick Chaney!

Actually, a man in his position can't own shares - he sold his stake when he entered office. Of course, he, and practicly everyone else in that administration, has major ties with big business.

 

[Lawnchair Bes]

u think americans will vote for bush again?

 

[sallyinzaghi]

God knows, I'm not american

 

[Slagathor]

++ [ originally posted by Majed ] ++
Then do you think the War in Iraq is more than just about the Oil and other internal benifits for the US economy?

I know there's more to it, but i'd like to read you think.

Oh no, the second Gulf War was and is solely about economy and politics.

IMO:

1) Bush declared war on terrorism. He simply cannot stop waging war on everything and everyone until he has AT LEAST caught Osama Bin Laden. Any other outcome is defeat, which would cost him his precidency for sure.

2) Point 1 leads to Bush having to pick another nation to invade after Afghanistan. He simply needed another enemy. What better candidate than Iraq? The country of the evil Hussein, the country his father invaded ten years earlier AND the country that holds massive oil resources.

Sure, the US administration might try to democraticise and thus 'develop' the rest of the Middle East THROUGH Iraq but that's always second priority.

 

[mikhail]

++ [ originally posted by Erik ] ++
He simply needed another enemy. What better candidate than Iraq? The country of the evil Hussein, the country his father invaded ten years earlier AND the country that holds massive oil resources.

To develop this further, a Republican-led focus group recommended the invasion of Iraq "to secure strategic oil reserves" the guts of ten years ago, so it's not like it ever left their agenda.

 

[Slagathor]

Hmm, I didn't know that. Well, just proves what I said.

 

[Zlatan]

It's in Josh's signature

 

[Dragon]

the USA will attack wherever there is any economical stuff for them, thats why they havent done anything in Cuba

 

[Lawnchair Bes]

or north korea

 

[Layce Erayce]

actually the just might have a go at north korea. the new south korean leader isnt pro-american so their influence is waning, and they have communist china to keep an eye on.

 

[gray]

NK was named as one of the countries in the "axis of evil", so they'll get around to them sooner or later, probably sooner

 

[mikhail]

Actually probably later, given that they've currently got as many troops overseas as they can logisticly handle. And the administration is changing in November.I hope.

 

[gray]

Depends what u mean by later. I was more talking relative to the order of countries that they choose to invade, rather than the timeframe. In terms of that, I think NK is high up on the list

 

[mikhail]

Fair enough Graham. I don't think the Democrats will be so eager to invade countries if Kerry gets in, but if the Republicans hold on, NK could be in for it next. More poxy war - just what this planet needs. :down:

 

[Slagathor]

IMO there's no realistic chance of NK being invaded. It would at least take years. The US would first have to draw back from Iraq and Afghanistan FULLY in order to prevent overstretch, which has led to the fall of most empires.

And besides, it's too close to China. The Americans might as well hand over the torch of world supremacy immediately.