whats you life phylosophy ? (11 Viewers)

gray

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++ [ originally posted by PersianMafia ] ++
In my religion, the Baha'i Faith, we have a book entitled the Hidden Words which was written by Baha'u'llah, the Prophet-founder of the Baha'i Faith. Here are a number of excerpts from His writings in the Hidden Words. They are generally very short and start off with a O SON OF SPIRIT or BEING etc:

O SON OF BEING! Love Me, that I may love thee. If thou lovest Me not, My love can in no wise reach thee. Know this, O servant.

O SON OF SPIRIT! My first counsel is this: Possess a pure, kindly and radiant heart, that thine may be a sovereignty ancient, imperishable and everlasting.

O SON OF MAN! Breathe not the sins of others so long as thou art thyself a sinner. Shouldst thou transgress this command, accursed wouldst thou be, and to this I bear witness.

O SON OF BEING! If poverty overtake thee, be not sad; for in time the Lord of wealth shall visit thee. Fear not abasement, for glory shall one day rest on thee.
Very interesting PM. If you don't mind, I'd be quite interested to know what the foundations and basic teachings of your faith are. I know I can do a google search, but that's not personal enough; I'd like to hear it from your POV ;)
 

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Trezeguet_FC

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#83
++ [ originally posted by gray ] ++

Very interesting PM. If you don't mind, I'd be quite interested to know what the foundations and basic teachings of your faith are. I know I can do a google search, but that's not personal enough; I'd like to hear it from your POV ;)
Where do I begin considering the fact that there are hundreds of volumes of books revealed by Baha'u'llah (the founder of the Baha'i Faith) and the Bab (which means the Gate, since he paved the way and opened the doors for the comming of Baha'u'llah)

Well the principles of the Baha'i Faith are based around three fundamental concepts:
Oneness of God, Oneness of Religion and Oneness of Mankind.

Those three concepts form the foundation for our beliefs and root into more detailed teachings and principles. In the official website of the Baha'i Faith (www.bahai.org) there is a small list of a few of the basic teachings. Here they are:

the abandonment of all forms of prejudice
assurance to women of full equality of opportunity with men
recognition of the unity and relativity of religious truth
the elimination of extremes of poverty and wealth
the realization of universal education
the responsibility of each person to independently search for truth
the establishment of a global commonwealth of nations
recognition that true religion is in harmony with reason and the pursuit of scientific knowledge

I can go on forever about the history (a very interesting one) and about the religion itself, but I should refrain myself ;) Ask me any questions if you want, I'd be more than willing to answer. You can also visit the official site of the Baha'i Faith at
 

EMMY

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Jul 2, 2004
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++ [ originally posted by Don Bes ] ++



sorry to spoil your dreams but


you are how much money you have
I’m not a millionaire. I have good job, enough income, family, friends and happiness.
Anything else I wish more?

We are difference country, culture, dream and life style. Don’t decide me base on your life or your dream. :D
 
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Jan 7, 2004
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  • Thread Starter #85
    ++ [ originally posted by EMMY ] ++


    I’m not a millionaire. I have good job, enough income, family, friends and happiness.
    Anything else I wish more?

    We are difference country, culture, dream and life style. Don’t decide me base on your life or your dream. :D

    true. my world is not your world.
     

    gray

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    Apr 22, 2003
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    Ahh thanks for that PM ;)

    ++ [ originally posted by PersianMafia ] ++
    You can also visit the official site of the Baha'i Faith at
    at where!? Don't leave me hanging dude :p
     

    swag

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    ++ [ originally posted by River ] ++
    Ah the legal way. In my experiences it never works. Waste of time if you ask me :)
    How old or you? Please don't take offense at the question. I ask because I've had probably had very much the same ideas as you before.

    There's a certain tendency that comes with age where the younger you are, the more you think you know the better "shortcuts" toward change -- that the usual processes take to long (and when you're younger, a generation seems like an eternity). In reality, change really happens in the middle -- and it's all about swaying that part of the process. Whether that's the middle of the voting public, middle-aged people, to the middle of the voting block, etc.

    I know of so many people who have talked about leaving the U.S. over its policies, etc. We're not like South Africa and apartheid (yet), where I know people who left the country with very good political reasons. But I've come to learn that it's a cop-out, and completely ineffective (and good only for short-term egos) to believe you can instigate change more from outside the system than from the inside.

    What are they going to use all the money for? Stage a protest or something? All they do is annoy people who are being blocked.
    Elections cost $$$ in this country. Lots of $$$$. It's little surprise that you can't find a successful political candidate who has developed pretty deep pockets to begin with. Otherwise, it's the Bloombergs, the Schwarzeneggers, etc. In fact, Schwarzenegger wouldn't have even been governor here if it wasn't for a political figure in California who personally bankrolled a multi-million-dollar recall campaign that got it rolling.

    It's sad to say in a democracy, but it's a fact. Money is the fuel for political campaigns. That feeds awareness, positioning, campaigning, etc. If Kerry were on equal financial ground as Bush, you could argue that they should be able to duke it out on other merits. But that kind of a resource gap will ensure you cannot make public rebuttals to claims made in commercial smear campaigns in swing states, etc.

    It's not as sexy as, say, a protest. But it's necessary. But I totally agree with you that protests can often backfire more than they help. The problem you get is the radicals basically color things in an extreme way, chasing all the moderates over to the opposition. Middle-of-the-road people don't like to be annoyed, and they'll vote that way.

    I recommend going with culture jamming. Spend that money on posters with a catchy slogan and tag them everywhere.
    You forget that not a single penny has touched my hands in this process! So I couldn't use the money even if I wanted to. ;)

    A poster that will make people think. What I usually do is get smaller posters with something negative written on it and then put that poster on every single campaign poster (in your case bush) you can find. Thus turning their own campaign posters against them :D

    Im from the UK though, I dont know what way things go down over there. But here this works, and usually ends up being reported in newspapers etc also. :)
    Actually, I really like this idea. Maybe I can convince some people for it. Beats a bumper sticker.
     

    River

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    Jun 15, 2004
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    ++ [ originally posted by swag ] ++
    How old or you? Please don't take offense at the question. I ask because I've had probably had very much the same ideas as you before.

    There's a certain tendency that comes with age where the younger you are, the more you think you know the better "shortcuts" toward change -- that the usual processes take to long (and when you're younger, a generation seems like an eternity). In reality, change really happens in the middle -- and it's all about swaying that part of the process. Whether that's the middle of the voting public, middle-aged people, to the middle of the voting block, etc.

    I know of so many people who have talked about leaving the U.S. over its policies, etc. We're not like South Africa and apartheid (yet), where I know people who left the country with very good political reasons. But I've come to learn that it's a cop-out, and completely ineffective (and good only for short-term egos) to believe you can instigate change more from outside the system than from the inside.
    Im 21 next month. I wouldnt say my thinkings have much to do with age. Only whats been tried and what works. I dont often be taking on such big things. Ive never tried to make people vote what I want for etc, but only to make people think, so they can vote for who they want. Actually I dont usually do this kinda thing over voting. Also its extremely different for us. I live in London, and if i or we jam a few billboards and posters around London they have a good effect. It wouldnt be effective in swinging US elections unless you had a nationwide team doing it :)

    It's not as sexy as, say, a protest. But it's necessary. But I totally agree with you that protests can often backfire more than they help. The problem you get is the radicals basically color things in an extreme way, chasing all the moderates over to the opposition. Middle-of-the-road people don't like to be annoyed, and they'll vote that way.
    Yeah protests are annoying. They do nothing more than show a great amount of affection/hate for a certain person/thing. But what do they achieve? I dont remember any protests resulting in anything notable lately. A protest will make the opposition come out and defend themselves and when its a politician they are extremely good at it.

    The reason I asked about what will the money be used for, is because I see so many people raise loads of money for things all the time, wheter it be protesting against student fees, animal rights etc. And I also see them waste that money. Its not how much money you raise, its how effective you use that money.

    You could spend thousands staging a protest and getting people to wave a banner around, block traffic and annoy 80% of the people. If they cared they would be at the protest, if they are at the protest they are going to vote that way anyway.

    You could spend £200 printing 1000 posters with a slogan that will make people think. And take yourself into Leicester Square in London and put it on every campaign poster/billboard you can find. It makes people thing and thats the key, and even some people will completely change there mind simply because they like the slogan and what you have done.

    Underground is the only realistic way to chance things i believe. Then again none of this really suits a US wide election. But in future you may way to consider these options :)

    And I must admit a short while ago I covered a billboard in London that had 'STOP ATTACK ON IRAQ' or something with 'SUICIDE' in red paint. I was for the war, I bought the whole WMD thing.
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    swag

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    ++ [ originally posted by River ] ++
    Im 21 next month. I wouldnt say my thinkings have much to do with age. Only whats been tried and what works.
    Makes sense. But as in many things in life, you learn more about trying things and seeing what works with experience (which is related to age).

    Unless, of course, you're Paolo Montero... :frown:

    Yeah protests are annoying. They do nothing more than show a great amount of affection/hate for a certain person/thing. But what do they achieve?
    But they can work too. What made someone like Martin Luther King Jr. so effective was that he helped steer protests in a very constructive way. The fact that he was out there protesting was going to irk a lot of people and drive some away from his cause -- and that much was going to be a loss he had to take.

    But the genius part was in his methods... adopting Gandhi's non-violent techniques ensured that people on the fence tuned to their TV sets and were annoyed by the marchers, but what annoyed them more were the people who showered abuses on them. Those protests swung the middle ground of public opinion, as did Gandhi's in India. He used the extremism of his opponents as a soft weapon of public opinion against their cause.

    And I must admit a short while ago I covered a billboard in London that had 'STOP ATTACK ON IRAQ' or something with 'SUICIDE' in red paint. I was for the war, I bought the whole WMD thing.
    I had mixed feelings before the war. What gave me the most concern was how openly some U.S. government hawks were talking about invading Iraq just weeks after they invaded Afghanistan... as if it was not only related, but a foregone conclusion.

    A few years ago, after reading interviews with former lead UN weapons inspector Scott Ritter, I felt Iraq was definitely hiding stuff in a scary way. But then in Oct 2002 I saw Scott Ritter speak to open his little-released documentary, In Shifting Sands, where he openly said that Iraq had no WMD and he felt the Bush administration was going to invade Iraq within a month anyway. (Turned out to be more like 4 months, after a few token nods to the UN.) Then I knew the most credible witness was saying it was all crap.

    But "the war on terror" is only one of my objections with the current administration...
     

    Minfana

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    Jul 15, 2003
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    Please, guys & gals, enough of religion (there's another thread for that, right?) and no more desserts.

    My philosophy:

    Make the best of what you've got

    Don't feel guilty about things you cannot change

    Don't expect anything, but be grateful, when something positive happens

    You are good at something, just don't give up on yourself

    Love yourself, then you can love others unselfishly
     
    Aug 1, 2003
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    my life philosophy:

    WHATEVER I DO IT MUST BENEFIT:
    1. Myself :D
    2. The environment or animal rights
    3. Others. Meaning whatever I do must not cause harm to others.
    4. Beneficial in this world and hereafter, meaning it has a good cause.
     
    OP
    Lawnchair Bes
    Jan 7, 2004
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    ++ [ originally posted by sallyinzaghi ] ++
    my life philosophy:

    WHATEVER I DO IT MUST BENEFIT:
    1. Myself :D
    2. The environment or animal rights
    3. Others. Meaning whatever I do must not cause harm to others.
    4. Beneficial in this world and hereafter, meaning it has a good cause.
    so you put animals before other people?
     

    River

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    Jun 15, 2004
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    ++ [ originally posted by sallyinzaghi ] ++
    my life philosophy:

    WHATEVER I DO IT MUST BENEFIT:
    1. Myself :D
    2. The environment or animal rights
    3. Others. Meaning whatever I do must not cause harm to others.
    4. Beneficial in this world and hereafter, meaning it has a good cause.
    How do you do anything then. its gotta be impossible to do anything that dosent effect a few of those
     

    Seven

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    Jun 25, 2003
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    Oh, please, I've about had it with those carpe diem-people. You know what? I'll choose something from Horatius as well: "Lydia, per omnes deos". It's about how love destroys everything :D.
     

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