What if... Cassano had gone to Barcelona instead? (8 Viewers)

[Bjerknes]

Why is it that whenever a douchebag like Cannavaro or Cassano don't live up to their supposed standards at Real Madrid, they get a reprieve? But when somebody other than an Italian does the same, they are called flops, flat out.

 

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[Ahmed]

Alen, could you please dig up the stats for Ale and Cass from last season? would shed some light on the current debate on who had the better season

 

[blondu]

what was the last price that sampdoria wanted for him?

 

[Salvatore]

He has a €20m clause.

 

[Fred]

Why does a Cassano discussion always lead to a comparison with Del Piero?

Cassano will never achieve what Del Piero did. But there is a good chance that most of the strikers we'll buy in the near or distant future, or all of them, will never achieve what Del Piero did and will never be as great for Juve as Del Piero was/is.

It doesn't mean that we shouldn't buy new attackers.

For Your info guys, Cassano is not a big game choker. He scored many goals in his career against Juve, Inter and Milan (I remember him destroying us when we lost 4:0 in Rome. I remember he was 16-17 when he scored against Inter for Bari. I remember him destroying Inter last year when Sampdoria won 3:0, I remember his great assist last year in Turin against us). He was scoring in CL for Roma, scoring for Italy at EC etc.
Failing with Real doesn't mean he'll fail in Juve.

And even if he's a big game choker, which he isn't, and if he destroys only Bologna and the likes.....well, don't you think we can use such guy who destroys the smaller teams in serie A? Wins against these teams bring the scudetto and not beating these teams is what takes the scudetto away.

The question isn't if he's better than Del Piero. He isn't. The question is if he's good enough to play for Juve. I know he is. He surely has the quality.
Is he the guy we need? That I leave to the board to decide.

If you buy him right now. He and DP cannot co-exist. One of them has to make way for the other in the starting lineup. A comparison to DP is inevitable.

Past achievments don't matter in such a situation. Is DP 2008 like the old DP? Me don't think so.

Why is it that whenever a douchebag like Cannavaro or Cassano don't live up to their supposed standards at Real Madrid, they get a reprieve? But when somebody other than an Italian does the same, they are called flops, flat out.

This however, is true for a lot of members here.

 

[Nicholas]

Why is it that whenever a douchebag like Cannavaro or Cassano don't live up to their supposed standards at Real Madrid, they get a reprieve? But when somebody other than an Italian does the same, they are called flops, flat out.

True, alot of people here are judging Cassano since his return to Italy I think.

 

[Cronios]

Cassano is not a young promise anymore.
He has his chance to be a part of a great team, but he lost the all, there is a certain reason for that.
He has proved time and time again that he cant be a part of a competitive team,
for those certain reasons. He is a lost cause, a wild card and every serious team that took the chance with him, has regretted. Let him be someone else's problem.
We barely cover our primary needs with our available funds, let alone afford taking such a risk with the highest probability of becoming a total disaster.

Now its too late to change things and make him what he was never intented to be.
Besides we are tactically covered on his position, we should rather get a finisher, because we seem to suffer more from our efficiency to finalize our scoring chances, than our ability to create them...

 

[Bjerknes]

This however, is true for a lot of members here.

It's quite obvious why that is, but I won't harp on it in this thread. As clue, it involves some type of fan.

 

[Fred]

It's quite obvious why that is, but I won't harp on it in this thread. As clue, it involves some type of fan.

Oh, how vague


But seriously. It's ok for [Insert Italian player] to underperform in Spain. But when the opposite happens, the Spanish are flops.

 

[Alen]

Question for you Alen, Do you think he would be the ideal Del Piero replacement? skill wise and style of play not temepremant.

He'll never give us the goals from Del Piero. Ale is a ~20 goals per season striker and is also making lots of assists. Cassano can match Del Piero's skills but leadership and goals....I'm not sure.
Leadership skills mustn't be ignored. In tough moments you don't need someone who'll burst into tears.

I love Cassano and I do want him in Juve, but he'll never give most of the qualities DP has and gives to this team.

 

[blondu]

That is up for debate. If that is your argument against him, that would make a lot of sense. If we're talking about pure football ability though, thats a different story.

pure football ability is shit without sleeping at night..without managing to create an united group...without your colleague striker to look in your eyes and say "i really don't hate you". The mentality and the behaviour is at the same level as the football ability imo. As i said before, him being at samp ..it's like me being king in my room...no one will dare to say a thing against me...i rule everything, i'm the primadonna. But when you take it to the next level..the ultimate level, the big club, you can't perform....and i'm sure he'll choke because of the attitude and because he is used to be the center of the team... Hope you understand my point

 

[Ahmed]

Cassano is not a young promise anymore.
He has his chance to be a part of a great team, but he lost the all, there is a certain reason for that.
He has proved time and time again that he cant be a part of a competitive team,
for those certain reasons. He is a lost cause, a wild card and every serious team that took the chance with him, has regretted. Let him be someone else's problem.
We barely cover our primary needs with our available funds, let alone afford taking such a risk with the highest probability of becoming a total disaster.

Now its too late to change things and make him what he was never intented to be.
Besides we are tactically covered on his position, we should rather get a finisher, because we seem to suffer more from our efficiency to finalize our scoring chances, than our ability to create them...

he's in the form of his life, finally got his head on straight and is focused on his football, and you're saying he's a lost cause? he's 27, that is when most footballers enter their prime

 

[Nicholas]

He'll never give us the goals from Del Piero. Ale is a ~20 goals per season striker and is also making lots of assists. Cassano can match Del Piero's skills but leadership and goals....I'm not sure.
Leadership skills mustn't be ignored. In tough moments you don't need someone who'll burst into tears.

I love Cassano and I do want him in Juve, but he'll never give most of the qualities DP has and gives to this team.

No problem, thought I would ask you. Rather neutral on the subject. Thanks for the response.

 

[Bjerknes]

Oh, how vague


But seriously. It's ok for [Insert Italian player] to underperform in Spain. But when the opposite happens, the Spanish are flops.

TRUE TRUE TRUE.

 

[blondu]

He has a €20m clause.

we could put 10 more and get us a vicious carnivore ivorian striker

 

[Nicholas]

we could put 10 more and get us a vicious carnivore ivorian striker

Drogba at his age? no thanks

 

[Alen]

Past achievments don't matter in such a situation. Is DP 2008 like the old DP? Me don't think so.

I'm aware of that.

Still, Del Piero is the guy who was our best player, topscorer, top assistman even in 2008/09.
I know it's smart to think about the future and in the future, near or more distant, Cassano will surely be better than Del Piero, but Alessandro Del Piero is not someone you can get rid of easily while he's still producing the goods, just so you can replace him with someone who'll be better in the future and who might be better now.
I say "might be better now" because performance wise Cassano might be a litle better right now but Del Piero plays for Juve all his life while with Cassano you don't know what to expect in Juve.

 

[blondu]

Drogba at his age? no thanks

kalou ? kidding..heck i forgot about his age..30 is a too much... but how many goals would he score for us with diego..camo..gio...even dp at his service ?

 

[Cronios]

he's in the form of his life, finally got his head on straight and is focused on his football, and you're saying he's a lost cause? he's 27, that is when most footballers enter their prime

Agree about the form but,
from what i ve heard from some Italian Samp fans, he is still an arse.
I dont believe that insulting the coach, show up on training drunk and create issues in the lockers week in week out, will be tolerated at Juve, as it an be tolerated elsewhere!

And he is already established enough, not to make any sacrifices.

The integrity of his character doesnt only affects his performance, but also the performance of the entire team. Why can afford better than that, Samdoria cant!
They have to tolerate that, we dont, neither Lippi...

And we shouldnt buy a player we didnt only because he is in form, or because our direct opponents might get him, we should respect our very own priorities first!
Cassano can ve replaced tactically with 4 players we already have, bringing him would be counterproductive.

 

[Salvatore]

from what i ve heard from some Italian Samp fans, he is still an arse.
I dont believe that insulting the coach, show up on training drunk and create issues in the lockers week in week out, will be tolerated at Juve, as it an be tolerated elsewhere!

He has done none of that at Sampdoria.