What Are You Doing Right Now? (108 Viewers)

[swag]

No, it was definitely personal as well. It's a law firm. Every decision about personnel is both business and personal.

It's exactly why you get decade long rivalries. It's very different from most other jobs I've noticed.

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In that case, you have some wives and girlfriends to seduce and bang. What are you waiting for?

 

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[Dostoevsky]

Lol.

It depends on what you do. I don't think many people would call my job boring. I litigate. I go to court. I plead cases. There is drama every single time. Not to mention that every time you go to court you have a certain kind of stress and then release after. You get used to it, but there is still some tension there.

Also, a pretty fun factor is that the vast majority of young lawyers are women in Belgium. As a young man it's a fun environment to be in. It's pretty much non stop flirting.

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Is that a good thing? Doesn't really sound like that.

I get that. That part is not boring. Boring part the law itself.

 

[IliveForJuve]

Legal research and writing can be boring as fuck.

 

[Seven]

Is that a good thing? Doesn't really sound like that.

I get that. That part is not boring. Boring part the law itself.

It is a good thing. With experience this isn't vomit inducing stress. You just get a little nervous every time. But less and less. And afterwards, especially when it goes well of course, you have a sense of pride.

People often think it's just talking. But just talking isn't so easy when everyone in the room is looking at you.

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[lgorTudor]

So. Old firm wanted me out because I was supposedly too expensive and they got an intern instead.

What? They tried to replace an experienced associate with an intern? lmao they didn't think highly of you at all

 

[Seven]

What? They tried to replace an experienced associate with an intern? lmao they didn't think highly of you at all

Truth is they don't think highly of anyone. I myself replaced an experienced associate as an intern for them.

I guess I should have realised that how you get them is how they leave you.

The associate fired before me (who was replaced by an intern as well) told me as much. It's odd how much people warn you and you refuse to listen.

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[AFL_ITALIA]

You got money and experience on your resume, it all counts for something in the end regardless.

 

[IliveForJuve]

Nothing new here. Most lawyers are fucking rats.

Many of them just want cheap labor instead of quality human resources which is the most important thing for a law firm.

 

[Seven]

You got money and experience on your resume, it all counts for something in the end regardless.

It does. My financial situation actually got a huge boost because of all this and the new job I'm going to is one that is likely to have more opportunity for growth.

The most painful part of it all was something I did not expect though. I had genuine friends at that firm. And I mean that still. It's not that they stabbed me in the back or dropped me as soon as I was fired.

One girl in particular kept talking to me and cheering me up. I can't say she wasn't a friend.

But somewhere along the way it deteriorates, because you start to feel she has her team and you're not on it. You start to notice her defend the indefensible.

And then it hit me. I used to be friends with the people who left or were let go before me. And the friendship deteriorated as well. And now I see that back then I was defending the things she is defending now. Now I am the person making twice as much and warning her that she is not treated well and she's not having it.

It's funny, but being fired was a real eye opener. You think friendships can survive if you go from one law firm to another. But it doesn't prove to be quite so easy.

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[Seven]

Nothing new here. Most lawyers are fucking rats.

Many of them just want cheap labor instead of quality human resources which is the most important thing for a law firm.

They literally said they preferred the cheap labor.

Doesn't matter I won them a ton of cases. Doesn't matter I brought in extra clients and it doesn't matter I took on a lot of work from other lawyers.

When push came to shove, they wanted to make a quick extra buck. But in retrospect that is how I got in in the first place so I should have known.

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[ALC]

Was this your first job, @Seven? Because you stop being friends with coworkers regardless of whether you’re fired or whether you leave by yourself. The only reason you’re friends in the first place is because you work together.

 

[AFL_ITALIA]

It does. My financial situation actually got a huge boost because of all this and the new job I'm going to is one that is likely to have more opportunity for growth.

The most painful part of it all was something I did not expect though. I had genuine friends at that firm. And I mean that still. It's not that they stabbed me in the back or dropped me as soon as I was fired.

One girl in particular kept talking to me and cheering me up. I can't say she wasn't a friend.

But somewhere along the way it deteriorates, because you start to feel she has her team and you're not on it. You start to notice her defend the indefensible.

And then it hit me. I used to be friends with the people who left or were let go before me. And the friendship deteriorated as well. And now I see that back then I was defending the things she is defending now. Now I am the person making twice as much and warning her that she is not treated well and she's not having it.

It's funny, but being fired was a real eye opener. You think friendships can survive if you go from one law firm to another. But it doesn't prove to be quite so easy.

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It doesn't HAVE TO deteriorate. She sounds young though, because loyalty to any one company or firm doesn't make sense, especially when they regularly do things such as what they did to you. But I mean if they're going to support some low-paying job over you, then these probably wouldn't have been the best of friendships to begin with.

 

[Seven]

Was this your first job, @Seven? Because you stop being friends with coworkers regardless of whether you’re fired or whether you leave by yourself. The only reason you’re friends in the first place is because you work together.

Yeah it was the first job. It was a law firm with eight lawyers and I worked there for six years. So you do develop close personal bonds.

 

[IliveForJuve]

It's a good reminder that stability is bullshit when it comes to employment.

Only you can give yourself stability.

 

[Seven]

It's a good reminder that stability is bullshit when it comes to employment.

Only you can give yourself stability.

What I did notice is that once you have a particular set of skills, you are bound to find a new job.

I was unemployed for two days ffs.

 

[IliveForJuve]

What I did notice is that once you have a particular set of skills, you are bound to find a new job.

I was unemployed for two days ffs.

Easily.

Skills make you money, degrees don't.

 

[Seven]

Easily.

Skills make you money, degrees don't.

So does knowing people. My first job involved going to court pretty much daily. Now the thing about going to court is that while you're there you speak with other lawyers. You build a network.

The second firm I went to (and I will have spent just four months there when I leave), unfortunately did not have that much court work. For me this was a big issue, because suddenly people don't you see plead cases anymore. And if you wait long enough, other lawyers don't know who you are anymore.

This is of course also why I got the job at a competing law firm. They simply know me.

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[Seven]

It doesn't HAVE TO deteriorate. She sounds young though, because loyalty to any one company or firm doesn't make sense, especially when they regularly do things such as what they did to you. But I mean if they're going to support some low-paying job over you, then these probably wouldn't have been the best of friendships to begin with.

It doesn't have to no.

But in the sector in which I am employed (insurance law) you have five or six well known law firms competing with each other in Antwerp. They each have between 6 and 10 lawyers.

So you have to keep in mind that, in a very real sense, these are teams that go up against each other.

So the minute you are ousted from such a team you become a social pariah for everyone on that team.

It's immature and childish, but I've seen it happen to people I used to work with and now it happened to me.

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[Osman]

One girl in particular kept talking to me and cheering me up. I can't say she wasn't a friend.

But somewhere along the way it deteriorates, because you start to feel she has her team and you're not on it. You start to notice her defend the indefensible.

And then it hit me. I used to be friends with the people who left or were let go before me. And the friendship deteriorated as well. And now I see that back then I was defending the things she is defending now. Now I am the person making twice as much and warning her that she is not treated well and she's not having it.

It's funny, but being fired was a real eye opener. You think friendships can survive if you go from one law firm to another. But it doesn't prove to be quite so easy.

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Co worker friends and friends arent the same thing. Especially if you dont ever hang out outside work except occasional after work drinks. Doesnt matter how much heart to hearts you have at work, and genuinely friendly it is between you all. You generally lose said friendship as soon as someone changes job.


Some are worth the effort of trying to maintain afterwards tho.

 

[AFL_ITALIA]

It doesn't have to no.

But in the sector in which I am employed (insurance law) you have five or six well known law firms competing with each other in Antwerp. They each have between 6 and 10 lawyers.

So you have to keep in mind that, in a very real sense, these are teams that go up against each other.

So the minute you are ousted from such a team you become a social pariah for everyone on that team.

It's immature and childish, but I've seen it happen to people I used to work with and now it happened to me.

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How can you easily cast aside someone that you're been working so closely with then? That's even more illogical to me. Maybe it's just a culture thing I guess.