What Are You Doing Right Now? (197 Viewers)

[Ocelot]

You do realize that the idea of paying people for not working will get you burned at the stake with half of my country...

Except if they're rich as shit and live off the interest and rent of their posessions.

 

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[Seven]

You do realize that the idea of paying people for not working will get you burned at the stake with half of my country...

Basic Income is gaining popularity in Europe though. It's a big topic of discussion these days and it's just a matter of time before countries will start experimenting with it.

 

[Ocelot]

Basic Income is gaining popularity in Europe though. It's a big topic of discussion these days and it's just a matter of time before countries will start experimenting with it.

There's something a little bit similar to it already in place here in Austria, though it doesn't cover 100% of the population, you gotta officially6 be "willing to work".

 

[JuveJay]

There's something a little bit similar to it already in place here in Austria, though it doesn't cover 100% of the population, you gotta officially6 be "willing to work".

And what is the criteria for proving that, community work etc?

The Tories here plan to force 18-21 year olds to work for basic income support.

 

[Ocelot]

And what is the criteria for proving that, community work etc?

The Tories here plan to force 18-21 year olds to work for basic income support.

Basically you gotta attend to some sort of regular job centre counsels and schooling programs. Don't exactly know how it works or if you can get certified "unwilling to work", but it's certainly no unconditional basic income.

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And you gotta have Austrian citizenship and live in Austria.

 

[JuveJay]

Basically you gotta attend to some sort of regular job centre counsels and schooling programs. Don't exactly know how it works or if you can get certified "unwilling to work", but it's certainly no unconditional basic income.

Seems more lenient than the UK. Here you have to do those things just to earn income support. You are also forced to apply for jobs, even if they don't necessarily suit your skills or experience.

 

[Seven]

And what is the criteria for proving that, community work etc?

The Tories here plan to force 18-21 year olds to work for basic income support.

All of that becomes pretty silly when there are no jobs. I know people who have worked in the car industry for 20 years. Now the factory is shutting down. What on Earth are these people going to do? What job is out there for them? I don't see it. I honestly don't.

 

[JuveJay]

All of that becomes pretty silly when there are no jobs. I know people who have worked in the car industry for 20 years. Now the factory is shutting down. What on Earth are these people going to do? What job is out there for them? I don't see it. I honestly don't.

By jobs I mean council, charity or other otherwise 'voluntary' work. It could be litter picking or planting flowers, but as it hasn't come into power yet there are no examples.

 

[Seven]

By jobs I mean council, charity or other otherwise 'voluntary' work. It could be litter picking or planting flowers, but as it hasn't come into power yet there are no examples.

Yeah, but that's making people do silly things that aren't really necessary. As an economic plan that's just nonsense. I don't think this is the path we'll choose in the future.

 

[Ocelot]

Seems more lenient than the UK. Here you have to do those things just to earn income support. You are also forced to apply for jobs, even if they don't necessarily suit your skills or experience.

Not too different from over here, though probably a little bit more lenient.

You also have to do this kind of stuff to get unemployment benefits, though that's usually more than the "minimum-security" (which is around 800€ a month), but only lasts for a maximum of 78 weeks (that's the exception, normally it's over after 20-50 weeks.)

You can't be forced to do work though, like you described the "voluntary" or council work, though its implementation has been the subject of debate.

 

[JuveJay]

Not too different from over here, though probably a little bit more lenient.

You also have to do this kind of stuff to get unemployment benefits, though that's usually more than the "minimum-security" (which is around 800€ a month), but only lasts for a maximum of 78 weeks (that's the exception, normally it's over after 20-50 weeks.)

You can't be forced to do work though, like you described the "voluntary" or council work, though its implementation has been the subject of debate.

€800 per month minimum, damn. Minimum here is £57 per week (no children, no disabilities, no savings etc). Only if you have kids here can you end up with free accommodation, child support payments, tax relief etc.

 

[Ocelot]

€800 per month minimum, damn. Minimum here is £57 per week (no children, no disabilities, no savings etc). Only if you have kids here can you end up with free accommodation, child support payments, tax relief etc.

Just googled income support, seems to be rather similar, only with a tidbit more duties and less money

It's only 800€ if you have to pay rent or something, if you for example still live with your parents you get "only" about 600€. More as a couple and with children. You also get health insurance.

It's a pretty new measure btw, only got implemented one or two years ago, though there were similar policies varying from federal state to federal state already in place earlier.

 

[Seven]

Not too different from over here, though probably a little bit more lenient.

You also have to do this kind of stuff to get unemployment benefits, though that's usually more than the "minimum-security" (which is around 800€ a month), but only lasts for a maximum of 78 weeks (that's the exception, normally it's over after 20-50 weeks.)

You can't be forced to do work though, like you described the "voluntary" or council work, though its implementation has been the subject of debate.

System is similar in Belgium as it is I suspect in most European countries. No one will ever be able to force people to do work as that is not only prohibited by art. 4 ECHR, but could also be seen as a form of corporal punishment, which is pretty medieval.

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Just googled income support, seems to be rather similar, only with a tidbit more duties and less money

It's only 800€ if you have to pay rent or something, if you for example still live with your parents you get "only" about 600€. More as a couple and with children. You also get health insurance.

It's a pretty new measure btw, only got implemented one or two years ago, though there were similar policies varying from federal state to federal state already in place earlier.

In Belgium it's around 900 €. It's debatable whether you can live on that amount here though.

 

[Ocelot]

System is similar in Belgium as it is I suspect in most European countries. No one will ever be able to force people to do work as that is not only prohibited by art. 4 ECHR, but could also be seen as a form of corporal punishment, which is pretty medieval.

You wouldn't actually be forced though, what I meant is that you'd have to work in order to receive this basic income or unemployment benefits. Poor choice of words by me there.

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It's debatable whether you can live on that amount here though.

Yeah, same here. It can however be seen as a sort of early predecessor of basic income models though, that's why I brought it up. It's not as obscure or absurd a system as it might seem to some.

 

[JuveJay]

Just googled income support, seems to be rather similar, only with a tidbit more duties and less money

It's only 800€ if you have to pay rent or something, if you for example still live with your parents you get "only" about 600€. More as a couple and with children. You also get health insurance.

It's a pretty new measure btw, only got implemented one or two years ago, though there were similar policies varying from federal state to federal state already in place earlier.

I reckon half of young people here wouldn't work if they could get €600 p/m and live at home

The UK isn't in line with many of the Euro countries when it comes to % of GDP spent on welfare. Then again I suppose most of those countries aren't spending 2.5% on military.

 

[Seven]

Yeah, same here. It can however be seen as a sort of early predecessor of basic income models though, that's why I brought it up. It's not as obscure or absurd a system as it might seem to some.

It's not. But the difference is that basic income is universal. Which, to me, also means it is fair. Because I honestly don't understand why I am not paid 900 Euros a month on top of my wages, while someone who is not working does receive 900 Euros. There is no way that is fair.

I am also of the opinion however that no one should be left behind. So I do think there needs to be a lot of social security.

 

[.zero]

Statik Selektah dropped some wise words this morning

I'll take that as a "thank you"!

 

[Osman]

What did the genius beatmaker say?

 

[swag]

Statik Selektah dropped some wise words this morning

I myself dropped two in the toilet this morning.

 

[.zero]

I myself dropped two in the toilet this morning.

Sounds like someone needs to step their game up