Apr 15, 2006
56,640
But you also have to ask for it. If someone is genuinely looking for how they could improve, I'd offer suggestions -- but keeping clear that there are some things that aren't debatable about their qualifications for the job. Some candidates can use this as a technique to get information and use it against the prospective employer with multiple "but..."s. You don't want to go there.

And then again, some candidates honestly don't want to hear the feedback too -- you can't assume.

And you're welcome, Kate.
Well of course. Give feedback only if asked for it. But if someone does ask you, it's only ethical to tell them their flaws. This way, you can contribute in a small way towards the betterment of humanity. :)
 

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Bezzy

The Bookie Queen
Jun 5, 2010
20,828
Hi Janna! How are you? Sounds like your internship is going well.

I apologize... I missed seeing your earlier post:



(I am not used to being called 'Teddy' -- FB forced me in that direction. :( )

I am OK. I feel pretty good about turning down that job offer this week. Weird... it was kind of like resigning on legitimate grounds before I even started on the job. What sucks is the process in my field takes a long time -- this was the result of a 7-week ordeal to get this far to an offer. I have a couple of other things in the works, and lately they seem more appealing. Getting antsy to get back to working again, but it should be the right opportunity.

OK... what are you making in the oven right now?

Is it Italian?

Is it covered in pizza sauce?

Is it cheesy?

Must be Silvio Berlusconi. His home is in the oven, you know.
Do you mind I call you Teddy?
good to hear you are happy with the decision you made. Sometimes it is better to reject something to get the bigger fish later :). I hope you find a good job any soon. what exactly is your work area again.

to answer your question about what I made in the oven
1) Yes
2) Yes
3) Yes
and if it was silvio it was a pretty good :D
 

swag

L'autista
Administrator
Sep 23, 2003
84,779
Of course subjective analysis of your ability to answer subjective questions is something I can understand not wanting to hear.

Hearing 'we though you lack XYZ' is quite upsetting when you, in fact, lack none of them.
When you make a decision that someone won't work out, it should be for one or more of the three following reasons:
1. They don't have the skills/qualifications to be capable of doing the job
2. You don't think they would be up to do the job
3. They may not be a cultural fit for the company

The first one is a clearer example. But it's not uncommon for the employer to say, "We don't think you have these skills" and the candidate to say, "But I do." And it can quickly become a rabbit hole of tit-for-tat. Almost never do I see it work where the candidate points out after the fact that they completely missed something during the interview process, so if it reaches this stage it is often about a candidate refusing to accept the fact that the company does not feel they are the best quaified for the job. That serves neither the employer nor the interviewee any value for the effort.

The second and third are rather subjective. There are people who can do the job, but would they? Example: a PhD graduate who can't find work and applies for a job as a truck driver. If the trucking company wants to invest in a candidate, the PhD may be just earning a few bucks before getting the job they really want and really should be getting.

The last is about company culture. You can have brilliant people who are complete jerks to work with. And if teamwork is critical to your company's success, it doesn't matter how qualified they are if they end up taking credit for everything and making their coworkers want to work around them, for example.

Is this the Bangalore job you were referring to?
Nope. The Portland/SF one. The Bangalore one is still in the running.

Well of course. Give feedback only if asked for it. But if someone does ask you, it's only ethical to tell them their flaws. This way, you can contribute in a small way towards the betterment of humanity. :)
No disagreement there. I like helping people out where I can.
 

swag

L'autista
Administrator
Sep 23, 2003
84,779
Do you mind I call you Teddy?
good to hear you are happy with the decision you made. Sometimes it is better to reject something to get the bigger fish later :). I hope you find a good job any soon. what exactly is your work area again.

to answer your question about what I made in the oven
1) Yes
2) Yes
3) Yes
and if it was silvio it was a pretty good :D
I might as well get used to Teddy, so go ahead.

Teddy comes from one of my favorite all-time B characters in the movies:

Mr. Black Magic Himself

And thanks for the words of support on my decision to turn down a job. I am kind of an executive management weenie who mostly manages software development teams behind big Internet/Web sites/services.
 

Byrone

Peen Meister
Dec 19, 2005
30,778
So B, try this on your employer party: tell them that you agree that Koreans are the superior Asian race, but that they're just jealous of the Japanese because the Japs really invented everything and the Koreans just want to take credit for it after stealing it all. :heart:
I would do it except those fuckers have some heavy swords in their offices, it's not worth the risk.:D

or just cut to the chase and say that koreans are the blacks of japan
I'll definitely try this one for kicks.:D
 

IrishZebra

Western Imperialist
Jun 18, 2006
23,327
When you make a decision that someone won't work out, it should be for one or more of the three following reasons:
1. They don't have the skills/qualifications to be capable of doing the job
2. You don't think they would be up to do the job
3. They may not be a cultural fit for the company
Of course 'team player' could come under all of those categories, a trait that cannot be accurately assessed without actually observing the person within a group. I think at a non-management level, preliminary general interviews and trial periods would be a better strategy.
 

.zero

★ ★ ★
Aug 8, 2006
82,905
Get yourself an Odyssey White Hot.

Had mine for about ten years and love the thing.

Or get one of these monstrosities if you have $600 burning a hole in your pocket:





Heavy putters are the way forward.
Thats really funny because the exact putter I've had my eye on for the past 2 weeks is the Odyssey White Hot XG 2.0 #7 Putter

I went again to test it out today and decided its the one for me and am now just price hunting.
 

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