Kate

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Feb 7, 2011
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You know what's funny, I'm more fluent in English than my native language! :D
I am hoping I will get to that point! I used to be that way in French when I lived there, but I've lost a bit from disuse.

Martin said:
Are you learning it in a formal program?

I always forget to use congiuntivo
Yes, I'm doing a university course. I hate the subjunctive as well, but through years and years of being told off about it I am now a bit more aware of when I should use it. I still often don't use it correctly, though ;)

OOH, and I just noticed I have a little football now under my name. Excitement!
 

Martin

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Yes, I'm doing a university course. I hate the subjunctive as well, but through years and years of being told off about it I am now a bit more aware of when I should use it. I still often don't use it correctly, though ;)
To me it's a kind of freaky thing because I rarely hear people use it fully in casual conversation. Penso che tu abbia ragione, how often do you hear that? There's a great deal of Italy that's pretty casual about their language use. Then there's the French, where you hear various stories. Like they not only expect a lot from foreign speakers, they're also terrible at understanding other accents. Which you would think is pretty pathetic for being a "language power" with many former colonies etc as they see themselves. As a counter point to this I heard the theory that it's not so much that they are poor at understanding, they just need to warm up first. Which answers the question "wtf is wrong with you people that you have to start every question with Est-ce que". In sharp contrast, despite what they teach you in classes, I was sitting in a restaurant in Napoli, guy at the next table has the waiter's attention and says "Menu". Just like that, no vorrei, no per favore, nothing at all superfluous.

OOH, and I just noticed I have a little football now under my name. Excitement!
Ain't it.
 

Bezzy

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Tell us more about yourself, little girl. What's your name? Where you do you live? What do you do for a living?
sure, I am Janna, and I am 22 years old, living in a flat in Haarlem (a city nearby Amsterdam) with 3 lovely cats. ( I really love animals)
and I am a student I am in my final year I am studying Financial Service Management and after I am finished with my study I should be able to work in the bank and insurance sector. at the moment i don't really have a job. i am looking for a intern ship
i play indoor soccer and at the moment we are standing at the first place, with 9 games left. and don't forgot Juve is my favourite club that's why i posting at this forums, and I always have to love about some post here on the forum.
 

Kate

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Feb 7, 2011
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To me it's a kind of freaky thing because I rarely hear people use it fully in casual conversation. Penso che tu abbia ragione, how often do you hear that? There's a great deal of Italy that's pretty casual about their language use. Then there's the French, where you hear various stories. Like they not only expect a lot from foreign speakers, they're also terrible at understanding other accents. Which you would think is pretty pathetic for being a "language power" with many former colonies etc as they see themselves. As a counter point to this I heard the theory that it's not so much that they are poor at understanding, they just need to warm up first. Which answers the question "wtf is wrong with you people that you have to start every question with Est-ce que". In sharp contrast, despite what they teach you in classes, I was sitting in a restaurant in Napoli, guy at the next table has the waiter's attention and says "Menu". Just like that, no vorrei, no per favore, nothing at all superfluous.



Ain't it.
I agree, in some respects. I have not had enough experience with Italian yet to see whether they use it religiously or not, but I hear it a lot in French. "Il faut que tu sois content" for instance would sound really wrong if you wrote "il faut que tu seras content". But this might also be because I am more vigorously trained in French :)

With regard to the French not understanding, I think it's a combination of not wanting to understand and laziness. Especially in Paris. And even when you do speak it perfectly they still often don't want to talk to you. I haven't been to Italy in years, so I have no clue as to how they do it there. Do you think there is a similar problem there at all?
 

X Æ A-12

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Sep 4, 2006
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sure, I am Janna, and I am 22 years old, living in a flat in Haarlem (a city nearby Amsterdam) with 3 lovely cats. ( I really love animals)
and I am a student I am in my final year I am studying Financial Service Management and after I am finished with my study I should be able to work in the bank and insurance sector. at the moment i don't really have a job. i am looking for a intern ship
i play indoor soccer and at the moment we are standing at the first place, with 9 games left. and don't forgot Juve is my favourite club that's why i posting at this forums, and I always have to love about some post here on the forum.
Oh I thought you had just mispelled "Harlem" before :oops:
 
Apr 15, 2006
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sure, I am Janna, and I am 22 years old, living in a flat in Haarlem (a city nearby Amsterdam) with 3 lovely cats. ( I really love animals)
and I am a student I am in my final year I am studying Financial Service Management and after I am finished with my study I should be able to work in the bank and insurance sector. at the moment i don't really have a job. i am looking for a intern ship
i play indoor soccer and at the moment we are standing at the first place, with 9 games left. and don't forgot Juve is my favourite club that's why i posting at this forums, and I always have to love about some post here on the forum.
Lovely. Now post a pic so that we can put a face to that description. Clothing optional.
 

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