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[Seven]

Do you consider medicine a pseudoscience because ADD and over prescription of meds for non-existent issues?

You're approaching this all wrong. You can't argue something isn't scientific just because you disagree with some of the results.

Lol, ADD is a psychological diagnosis I don't believe in either.

You know what I do believe in? Autism. That's an actual illness. Not an active kid who should be active because he's a kid.

Ffs, Seven. Laws too change all the time. That doesen’t make a law degree a pseudo degree.

Law isn't an exact science though. And we all agree laws change. The whole idea behind a diagnosis should be that it is describing the actual illness. Not what we think is the illness or should be the illness.

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[Seven]

Hot is it not an empirical data when you have millions of people that went through the therapy?

Therapy itself doesn't mean anything. He means reliable data for a diagnosis.

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[GordoDeCentral]

Hot is it not an empirical data when you have millions of people that went through the therapy?

For the last time whether it is helpful or provides insight doesn't make it a science

 

[Seven]

I have no background in psychology but i have known people with borderline personality and bipolar diagnoses. And while it may not be immediately apparent (particularly with bpd) i do get the impression that i am talking with someone who is sick.

Bpd is not just extreme narcissim. I know plenty of spoiled rich girls whove been pampered their entire lives and are now struggling to navigate the adult word.

Bpd is not that. It is a whole nother animal and i would stay away from anyone (or at least dont have sex with or date) who exhibits that type of behavior. They are a human blackhole

It's.. Not really. Unless of course we'd agree that perhaps psychologists are way too eager to label someone borderline.

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[Seven]

For the last time whether it is helpful or provides insight doesn't make it a science

It's like talking with someone about past trauma might help them, regardless of whether you think said trauma caused a mental disorder.

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[king Ale]

In the case of mental health, yes, of course. And especially in the case of bpd. Talking to people is the only available diagnostic tool for a bpd diagnosis in the first place.

It's ironic that people think I am not thinking about this scientifically, but that's because the field itself isn't scientific to begin with.

And again, bpd and the quantity of bpd cases just don't make sense.

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No. You are a random regular person. You are not qualified to make that assessment. It's always wise to not speak about things we have no clue about.

 

[GordoDeCentral]

It's like talking with someone about past trauma might help them, regardless of whether you think said trauma caused a mental disorder.

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Yep

 

[Seven]

No. You are a random regular person. You are not qualified to make that assessment. It's always wise to not speak about things we have no clue about.

But neither are psychologists. Fuck, I don't even think psychiatrists are. Read the DSM criteria for borderline personality disorder. It's all subjective. It's the subjective verdict of one person about one another.

I'm also not particularly impressed with this argument to begin with. It would mean I could start my own science of how to gain a better aura and then dismiss naysayers because they haven't studied my science.

Like your previous argument that makes no sense at all.

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[king Ale]

But neither are psychologists. Fuck, I don't even think psychiatrists are. Read the DSM criteria for borderline personality disorder. It's all subjective. It's the subjective verdict of one person about one another.

I'm also not particularly impressed with this argument to begin with. It would mean I could start my own science of how to gain a better aura and then dismiss naysayers because they haven't studied my science.

Like your previous argument that makes no sense at all.

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Just stop. You are being ignorant.

 

[Seven]

Just stop. You are being ignorant.

You haven't provided me a single valid argument. You come in this thread and all you is direct ad hominem attacks at me.

And this is supposed to prove the validity of psychology? Wow.

Not to mention that you completely fail to respond to my arguments. Intellectual dishonesty at its finest.

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[DAiDEViL]

So do you guys believe in mental illness? Or is it just a weakness of the mind?

Sad that this mindset still exists. I thought that outdated thinking was about to die with my fathers generation.

It's people like that who indirectly prevent kids and teenagers from seeking help, by making them feel weak for doing so, and instead give them great advice ala "man up" or "get your shit together", resulting in making things even worse.

It's the complete opposite. To lock yourself in at home in depression or whatever disorder is the easy way, but to go and get help is what really requires strength, considering how low on self esteem those people are at times and how they, in 2018, are still getting stigmatized for doing so.

 

[lgorTudor]

Sad that this mindset still exists. I thought that outdated thinking was about to die with my fathers generation.

It's people like that who indirectly prevent kids and teenagers from seeking help, by making them feel weak for doing so, and instead give them great advice ala "man up" or "get your shit together", resulting in making things even worse.

It's the complete opposite. To lock yourself in at home in depression or whatever disorder is the easy way, but to go and get help is what really requires strength, considering how low on self esteem those people are at times and how they, in 2018, are still getting stigmatized for doing so.

get your shit together

 

[X Æ A-12]

It's.. Not really. Unless of course we'd agree that perhaps psychologists are way too eager to label someone borderline.

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Oh yea obviously theres going to be flaws when your diagnostic test is checking off a few boxes of personality traits and the difference between a regular person and someone labeled with a personality disorder and put on meds or therapy is that they only checked 6 boxes instead of 7.

Because you cant map the brain and point specifically to one abnormality to say someone is definitively this or that makes diagnostics difficult but that doesnt make bpd a fleeting feeling of discontent caused by a rich upbringing

 

[Seven]

Sad that this mindset still exists. I thought that outdated thinking was about to die with my fathers generation.

It's people like that who indirectly prevent kids and teenagers from seeking help, by making them feel weak for doing so, and instead give them great advice ala "man up" or "get your shit together", resulting in making things even worse.

It's the complete opposite. To lock yourself in at home in depression or whatever disorder is the easy way, but to go and get help is what really requires strength, considering how low on self esteem those people are at times and how they, in 2018, are still getting stigmatized for doing so.

Clinical depression is an actual mental health issue though. One that we universally agree exists and are now even starting to see in the brain.

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[Seven]

Oh yea obviously theres going to be flaws when your diagnostic test is checking off a few boxes of personality traits and the difference between a regular person and someone labeled with a personality disorder and put on meds or therapy is that they only checked 6 boxes instead of 7.

Because you cant map the brain and point specifically to one abnormality to say someone is definitively this or that makes diagnostics difficult but that doesnt make bpd a fleeting feeling of discontent caused by a rich upbringing

Maybe not, but the line becomes blurred when psychologists label rich girls as such.


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[king Ale]

You haven't provided me a single valid argument. You come in this thread and all you is direct ad hominem attacks at me.

And this is supposed to prove the validity of psychology? Wow.

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This is not a debate I'd like to participate in. I highlighted the dumbest thing I read in the previous page; that you never spoke with a borderline person and felt they were sick, so they cannot be sick. I can't believe a person with an education can say that. Then you followed with saying that you are as qualified to make such assessments as are psychologists. This doesn't have anything to do with whether psychology is a science or not (that's the debate I don't want to participate in, don't care about it either). Psychology is as much a science as is Economics. Still they won't hire you to make policy decisions regarding economy.

 

[X Æ A-12]

Maybe not, but the line becomes blurred when psychologists label rich girls as such.


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Well i agree diagnostics being hazy makes for a ton of people being diagnosed as such when they likely shouldnt be.

Probably a lot of pressure to slap a label on someone so you can suggest treatment and make it look like youre doing something to justify the 300$ hr billing

 

[Seven]

This is not a debate I'd like to participate in. I highlighted the dumbest thing I read in the previous page; that you never spoke with a borderline person and felt they were sick, so they cannot be sick. I can't believe a person with an education can say that. Then you followed with saying that you are as qualified to make such assessments as are psychologists. This doesn't have anything to do with whether psychology is a science or not (that's the debate I don't want to participate in, don't care about it either). Psychology is as much a science as is Economics. Still they won't hire you to make policy decisions regarding economy.

I'm going to try to put this in simple words:

People with bpd are diagnosed as such by talking to them.

So if you talk to them and they seem normal, that is pretty significant.

A broken bone is diagnosed by an x ray. If the x ray looks fine, your bone probably is too.

This is not some sort of outrageous statement. It's just how they diagnose it. Every day. In millions of cases.

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[Dostoevsky]

No. You are a random regular person. You are not qualified to make that assessment. It's always wise to not speak about things we have no clue about.

Then we shouldn't discuss football really. At least majority of us.

And that goes for majority of topics as well since people love talking about things they have no clue about, or just have very little knowledge of it.

 

[Seven]

Well i agree diagnostics being hazy makes for a ton of people being diagnosed as such when they likely shouldnt be.

Probably a lot of pressure to slap a label on someone so you can suggest treatment and make it look like youre doing something to justify the 300$ hr billing

Bingo.

Which is why I'm not surprised that the reaction can be strong when you try to talk about the subject.

The bottomline with most personality disorders is that I do think these people have issues. I'm just not sure we have to call it a disorder.

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