[WC] World Cup 2010 - General Talk Thread (50 Viewers)

Lion

King of Tuz
Jan 24, 2007
36,185
How they were acting like crying bitches though, thats something else entirely.
fucking maicon with that stupid expression on his face.

he had the same expression expression when brazil scored thier goal to when the final whistle blew.

you know the one.
 

Red

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Moderator
Nov 26, 2006
47,024
Yea he was heavily involved in the first two goals and got a match changing red card. MOM = Melo. :D
I actually thought the turning point was the own goal.

By the time of the red card, the Dutch were already on top and the Brazilians were starting to lose their shape.
 

Bjerknes

"Top Economist"
Mar 16, 2004
116,162
I said he was too stupid to be a defender while in Bayern, and that their defense was too undiscplined and unorganised, showing the flaws someone like him in a bad season even more (you like to point out the reverse, but not how its also a reason for his flaws, playing with jokers like Demichelis and Van Buyten). But he has had REALLY good seasons for them. Despite his tendencies for brainfarts, provided good service for them most of the time.

You said he was finished and a totally disastrous defender when Inter signed him. He showed himself to be the Lucio of Brasil, which is a reliable and totally competent defender. He has been a very astute top signing for Inter.
Robert Kovac wasn't a joker though. When he partnered Lucio, he'd have to save his ass all the time. It was a joke watching Lucio being bailed out time and time again like in the matches against Chelsea several years ago, or the Micoud days with Bremen. Yet Robert couldn't save him all the time, and they suffered for it.

I believe you're giving him too much credit for a very well organized Mourinho defense. Lucio made mistakes against Barca and even in the final against Bayern.
 

Alen

Ѕenior Аdmin
Apr 2, 2007
53,998
Robert Kovac wasn't a joker though. When he partnered Lucio, he'd have to save his ass all the time. It was a joke watching Lucio being bailed out time and time again like in the matches against Chelsea several years ago, or the Micoud days with Bremen. Yet Robert couldn't save him all the time, and they suffered for it.

I believe you're giving him too much credit for a very well organized Mourinho defense. Lucio made mistakes against Barca and even in the final against Bayern.
Mourinho said loud and clear why he insisted Lucio to be bought. He wanted him because Lucio can play the ball and is great in taking the ball out of the box. Of course, he had Lucio's defensive qualities in mind too, but he wasn't looking strictly for amazing defensive qualities. Mourinho had a vision how he would like the defense to look and he implemented it.

What I'm saying is that sometimes, and I underline sometimes, the better player (in this case: the better defender) won't do a better job than the worse defender and the coaches should always look at the defense as a unit. A great defender and a bully, like Chiellini, would have made Inter's defense worse than Lucio, who is worse in defense than Giorgio (IMO).

You are right that sometimes the unit makes the individual much better than he is and Osman is correct too when he says that the unit can make the individual look much worse than he is. But it's a simplification to look at a player like Lucio as a "great defender" or "bad defender".

Personally, I think that Juve desperately needed a Lucio kind of player last year and even in the pre-Calciopoli seasons.
 

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