no we d root for england to beat algeria and take them out of the running to qualify so US has easier game against them
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[WC] World Cup 2010 - General Talk Thread (44 Viewers)
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To win, you need to score more goals than your opponent. The opponent scores 2? Then you score MORE than 2. And that's what USA did. They did what needed to be done to win. What can't you understand about that? Many teams go a goal or 2 down early on. But when they have the desire to win, the come back from where they are and at least draw, or win the game. Such performances are generally appreciated. The US did that today and you say they weren't good?
How can you say the US doesn't deserve to win the game when we would have had the refereeing been fair? We aren't a great team yet, we still aren't going to dominate possession and completely shut out even smaller teams so what more do you expect?
We scored more goals than the other team, we should have won. Simple as that.
We scored more goals than the other team, we should have won. Simple as that.
Well it's pretty easy to take the moral high ground now, some would look rather silly if they started talking about refs after all.
The fact of the World Cup is that referees are from all corners of the world, some are clearly going to be officiating at a very poor level of football in their domestic leagues and not up to the job of refereeing at this level. Throw in the factor that these referees will all have their own styles and perceptions, many don't even follow basic FIFA guidelines, others toe the line to an absurd degree like robots.
You can't legitimately say that referees are throwing a game because FIFA told them to, I don't think that has happened since the 1970's (even Havelange admitted it, and he would know a thing or two about it), there is no proof of that. What FIFA can do is put referees into a game who are likely to officiate in a certain way, to create a complete randomness to the game. Most of it just comes down to the individual. We will never know what the motivation behind guys like Moreno was, perhaps someone was paying him, perhaps he started to side with Korea like many neutrals, perhaps he was just downright awful, but then when the Spain game came round it starts to look extremely suspicious off the back of an already horrible match. People will say that good teams should be able to play and win in spite of the ref, but they shouldn't have to. Why should people accept mediocrity at World Cup level?
Generally I think referees have been fine at this World Cup, although I think a lot of that was down to the placid nature of the first group matches. There was not a lot for them to call in so many defensive matches, not many controversies to create, aside from the Cahill red and a few minor calls. Now we are getting into the nitty gritty part of the groups it starts getting difficult for them, they need to be good enough to make basic decisions like the one today.
The fact of the World Cup is that referees are from all corners of the world, some are clearly going to be officiating at a very poor level of football in their domestic leagues and not up to the job of refereeing at this level. Throw in the factor that these referees will all have their own styles and perceptions, many don't even follow basic FIFA guidelines, others toe the line to an absurd degree like robots.
You can't legitimately say that referees are throwing a game because FIFA told them to, I don't think that has happened since the 1970's (even Havelange admitted it, and he would know a thing or two about it), there is no proof of that. What FIFA can do is put referees into a game who are likely to officiate in a certain way, to create a complete randomness to the game. Most of it just comes down to the individual. We will never know what the motivation behind guys like Moreno was, perhaps someone was paying him, perhaps he started to side with Korea like many neutrals, perhaps he was just downright awful, but then when the Spain game came round it starts to look extremely suspicious off the back of an already horrible match. People will say that good teams should be able to play and win in spite of the ref, but they shouldn't have to. Why should people accept mediocrity at World Cup level?
Generally I think referees have been fine at this World Cup, although I think a lot of that was down to the placid nature of the first group matches. There was not a lot for them to call in so many defensive matches, not many controversies to create, aside from the Cahill red and a few minor calls. Now we are getting into the nitty gritty part of the groups it starts getting difficult for them, they need to be good enough to make basic decisions like the one today.
We were pathetic in the first half. Do you follow my posts regarding Juventus? Have you seen my comments over the years about how I rate performances? If Juve was the team out there tonight, I'd have said the exact same thing... that our performance should have been better. If we did not go down 2-0 in the first half and actually looked like we were ready to play, I'd be much more angry at the refereeing. But you can't rely on refs to win matches.
Absolutely, Edu's goal should have counted. No doubt about that. But our performance in the first half really fucked us over, and we need to learn from these mistakes. If we don't, we're out. Both on Wednesday and in 2014.
Absolutely, Edu's goal should have counted. No doubt about that. But our performance in the first half really fucked us over, and we need to learn from these mistakes. If we don't, we're out. Both on Wednesday and in 2014.
Missing those chances doesn't matter. They scored a goal and it was taken from them. You don't have to score twice to get one goal, just because the ref decides you should. Refs apply the rules, they can't play god. Saying that Italy didn't deserve to go through because Vieri missed those chances is not only wrong, it is also completely irrelevant.
What I will say, though, is that we did well to come back. For some reason it takes a huge boot in the ass to wake us up, and I don't know why.
The substitutions today were yet again nonsensical. I don't have a problem with Findley coming off, but Torres? Give me a break. It's as if Bob Bradley just relies on the number of caps to get him through matches. Torres was one of our better players first half, and our only real playmaker in midfield. Why bring him off when we're down?
Bradley has done that before, actually several times, taking off a better player at half time. And with that, he puts in Feilhaber who doesn't play well out left. Just yet another predictable decision by Bob, who also doesn't have a clue how to get the team to take the pitch in a fashion that is conducive of a fucking win.
The substitutions today were yet again nonsensical. I don't have a problem with Findley coming off, but Torres? Give me a break. It's as if Bob Bradley just relies on the number of caps to get him through matches. Torres was one of our better players first half, and our only real playmaker in midfield. Why bring him off when we're down?
Bradley has done that before, actually several times, taking off a better player at half time. And with that, he puts in Feilhaber who doesn't play well out left. Just yet another predictable decision by Bob, who also doesn't have a clue how to get the team to take the pitch in a fashion that is conducive of a fucking win.
I'm not holding on to it. That's not my problem. My problem is that people say that you should overcome these difficulties. I say you shouldn't. It's bullshit. The US should have won the game today. What my problem is with 2002 and when it comes to Italians in general, is that they were not only blatantly punished by the ref, but that they were even called crybabies afterwards. If a ref fucks up FIFA should take responsibility, not tell the teams to fuck off.
And that instant replay still isn't being used is something that can only fuel controversy.
And that instant replay still isn't being used is something that can only fuel controversy.
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Again, it looked like Italy had two poor calls against them in the Korea match.
Besides the Totti red card and Tommasi offsides (in which the keeper stopped playing because it was blown dead), what other calls in that match were poor?
Not really. The Tommasi offsides in which he scored saw the keeper stop playing because it was blown dead.
So no, that's not an accurate assessment.
How can you defend the Vieri misses? I mean, come on, he had several opportunities to bury those. But he didn't.
Besides the Totti red card and Tommasi offsides (in which the keeper stopped playing because it was blown dead), what other calls in that match were poor?
Not really. The Tommasi offsides in which he scored saw the keeper stop playing because it was blown dead.
So no, that's not an accurate assessment.
How can you defend the Vieri misses? I mean, come on, he had several opportunities to bury those. But he didn't.