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Who would you vote to be the next President of the United States?

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back to the issues...I saw the debate last wednesday night, and as much as I despise Hillary, I thought she was better. Obama squirmed the entire night when it came to the tough questions, and frankly, his answers were shit

Obama has a lot of skeletons in his closet....mostly when it comes to people he's associated with, and TBH, I dont think he could win a general election against Mc Cain- Obama is too much of a liberal socialist, which wont win him votes with the religious/conservative masses
WHat about the naggers though?
 

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TV News: Pimping for the Pentagon!
Written by Reggie – TV News Lies 20 April 2008

Is it a still a conspiracy theory when the entire plot is exposed on the front page of the Sunday NY Times? Today’s story blows the lid off the myth that television is in any way fair and balanced, in any way trustworthy, and in any way real news.
Most Americans will never see the NY Times story because the TV news networks will not expose their own lies on their own news programs. Just imagine CNN, FOX News or NBC, ABC or CBS featuring this headline:


Behind Military Analysts, the Pentagon’s Hidden Hand
Records and interviews show how the Bush administration has used its control over access and information in an effort to transform the analysts into a kind of media Trojan horse — an instrument intended to shape terrorism coverage from inside the major TV and radio networks.

The report exposes the complicity of the TV news networks in featuring military 'analysts' selected by the Pentagon to promote Bush's invasion and occupation of Iraq

The TV networks will never draw public attention to their complicity in supporting the Bush/PNAC plans for war, the illegal invasion of Iraq, and the continued occupation of a sovereign nation that never posed a threat to the people of the United Sates. No way. They cannot acknowledge their role in intentionally duping the public into believing the lies prepared and disseminated directly from the Pentagon and the White House.

Think about it: how do you get a news story to the public about the crimes of those who report the stories in the first place? It ain’t gonna happen.

It really is a smoking gun story. NYT story shockingly reveals a “’…a symbiotic relationship where the usual dividing lines between government and journalism have been obliterated. It points out that specific military analysts we saw on our TV screens over and over and over since 9/11 were selected by the Pentagon …”for a public relations push to construct a case for war. Journalists were secondary.”

“We didn’t want to rely on them to be our primary vehicle to get information out,”

The NY Times go hold of Pentagon documents that repeatedly refer to the military analysts as “message force multipliers” or “surrogates” who would faithfully deliver administration “themes and messages” to millions of Americans “in the form of their own opinions.”

But even uglier, if that is possible, is the revelation that these corrupted military analysts were personally involved in helping companies win military contracts. Several of these 'honorable’ soldiers held senior positions with contractors that gave them direct responsibility for winning new Pentagon business. Others held board positions with military firms and had responsibilities involving government business, while several of the 'analysts’ were defense industry lobbyists.

The outrageous details are in the article. It’s an important read that demands distribution and discussion. It’s another charge on the list of crimes perpetrated on our republic by the thugs who hold the reins of government in the United States. But it will be swept under the rug once again, and it once again will be business as usual.

And despite this story, so many people still firmly believe that they are getting real news and accurate information from their television newscasters. For whatever reasons, they cannot and will not question the lies told to them, no matter what evidence is presented to the contrary.

But, maybe the Internet will once again come to the rescue as articles such as this are read and linked and posted for others to read. Maybe, or maybe not.
http://tvnewslies.org/tvnl/index.php/editorial/reggies-commentary/20-regs-thoughts/1263-tv-news-pimping-for-the-pentagon
 

Vinman

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Jul 16, 2002
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Andy said:
You know, we should just let religious conservatives elect the government, because they know everything and are the best minds for this country.

I didnt say they were right...I'm pointing out the fact that there are plenty of people out there with those views, which could swing the election

remember, I'm not a Mc Cain voter

ßöмßäяðîëя;1618435 said:
WHat about the naggers though?
not quite enough to make a difference, just yet

give it a few more years of men spreading their seeds around with multiple "babies mama's", and they will outnumber everyone 30-1

TV News: Pimping for the Pentagon!
Written by Reggie – TV News Lies 20 April 2008

Is it a still a conspiracy theory when the entire plot is exposed on the front page of the Sunday NY Times? Today’s story blows the lid off the myth that television is in any way fair and balanced, in any way trustworthy, and in any way real news.
Most Americans will never see the NY Times story because the TV news networks will not expose their own lies on their own news programs. Just imagine CNN, FOX News or NBC, ABC or CBS featuring this headline:


Behind Military Analysts, the Pentagon’s Hidden Hand
Records and interviews show how the Bush administration has used its control over access and information in an effort to transform the analysts into a kind of media Trojan horse — an instrument intended to shape terrorism coverage from inside the major TV and radio networks.

The report exposes the complicity of the TV news networks in featuring military 'analysts' selected by the Pentagon to promote Bush's invasion and occupation of Iraq

The TV networks will never draw public attention to their complicity in supporting the Bush/PNAC plans for war, the illegal invasion of Iraq, and the continued occupation of a sovereign nation that never posed a threat to the people of the United Sates. No way. They cannot acknowledge their role in intentionally duping the public into believing the lies prepared and disseminated directly from the Pentagon and the White House.

Think about it: how do you get a news story to the public about the crimes of those who report the stories in the first place? It ain’t gonna happen.

It really is a smoking gun story. NYT story shockingly reveals a “’…a symbiotic relationship where the usual dividing lines between government and journalism have been obliterated. It points out that specific military analysts we saw on our TV screens over and over and over since 9/11 were selected by the Pentagon …”for a public relations push to construct a case for war. Journalists were secondary.”

“We didn’t want to rely on them to be our primary vehicle to get information out,”

The NY Times go hold of Pentagon documents that repeatedly refer to the military analysts as “message force multipliers” or “surrogates” who would faithfully deliver administration “themes and messages” to millions of Americans “in the form of their own opinions.”

But even uglier, if that is possible, is the revelation that these corrupted military analysts were personally involved in helping companies win military contracts. Several of these 'honorable’ soldiers held senior positions with contractors that gave them direct responsibility for winning new Pentagon business. Others held board positions with military firms and had responsibilities involving government business, while several of the 'analysts’ were defense industry lobbyists.

The outrageous details are in the article. It’s an important read that demands distribution and discussion. It’s another charge on the list of crimes perpetrated on our republic by the thugs who hold the reins of government in the United States. But it will be swept under the rug once again, and it once again will be business as usual.

And despite this story, so many people still firmly believe that they are getting real news and accurate information from their television newscasters. For whatever reasons, they cannot and will not question the lies told to them, no matter what evidence is presented to the contrary.

But, maybe the Internet will once again come to the rescue as articles such as this are read and linked and posted for others to read. Maybe, or maybe not.
http://tvnewslies.org/tvnl/index.php/editorial/reggies-commentary/20-regs-thoughts/1263-tv-news-pimping-for-the-pentagon
most of the media in this country slants towards the liberal side, so this isnt entirely true

you saw what Bush did to the world , so we need the least stupid one of them.
kinda like what Riijkard is doing to Barca :p
 

Bjerknes

"Top Economist"
Mar 16, 2004
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most of the media in this country slants towards the liberal side, so this isnt entirely true
It's actually very true when you think about it, and whether the media slants to the left or the right doesn't really matter. 99% of the media here is owned by Jewish families and the message propagated in regards to foreign policy is always this - we need to fight on against terrorism and Muslim extremists. So it doesn't matter whether it's left or right, the same message is always there.
 

Bjerknes

"Top Economist"
Mar 16, 2004
111,603
And what ever happened to this story?


Published on Saturday, June 22, 2002 by ABC News
The White Van
Were Israelis Detained on Sept. 11 Spies?


Millions saw the horrific images of the World Trade Center attacks, and those who saw them won't forget them. But a New Jersey homemaker saw something that morning that prompted an investigation into five young Israelis and their possible connection to Israeli intelligence.

Maria, who asked us not to use her last name, had a view of the World Trade Center from her New Jersey apartment building. She remembers a neighbor calling her shortly after the first plane hit the towers.

She grabbed her binoculars and watched the destruction unfolding in lower Manhattan. But as she watched the disaster, something else caught her eye.

Maria says she saw three young men kneeling on the roof of a white van in the parking lot of her apartment building. "They seemed to be taking a movie," Maria said.

The men were taking video or photos of themselves with the World Trade Center burning in the background, she said. What struck Maria were the expressions on the men's faces. "They were like happy, you know … They didn't look shocked to me. I thought it was very strange," she said.

She found the behavior so suspicious that she wrote down the license plate number of the van and called the police. Before long, the FBI was also on the scene, and a statewide bulletin was issued on the van.

The plate number was traced to a van owned by a company called Urban Moving. Around 4 p.m. on Sept. 11, the van was spotted on a service road off Route 3, near New Jersey's Giants Stadium. A police officer pulled the van over, finding five men, between 22 and 27 years old, in the vehicle. The men were taken out of the van at gunpoint and handcuffed by police.

The arresting officers said they saw a lot that aroused their suspicion about the men. One of the passengers had $4,700 in cash hidden in his sock. Another was carrying two foreign passports. A box cutter was found in the van. But perhaps the biggest surprise for the officers came when the five men identified themselves as Israeli citizens.

'We Are Not Your Problem’

According to the police report, one of the passengers told the officers they had been on the West Side Highway in Manhattan "during the incident" — referring to the World Trade Center attack. The driver of the van, Sivan Kurzberg, told the officers, "We are Israeli. We are not your problem. Your problems are our problems. The Palestinians are the problem." The other passengers were his brother Paul Kurzberg, Yaron Shmuel, Oded Ellner and Omer Marmari.

When the men were transferred to jail, the case was transferred out of the FBI's Criminal Division, and into the bureau's Foreign Counterintelligence Section, which is responsible for espionage cases, ABCNEWS has learned.

One reason for the shift, sources told ABCNEWS, was that the FBI believed Urban Moving may have been providing cover for an Israeli intelligence operation.

After the five men were arrested, the FBI got a warrant and searched Urban Moving's Weehawken, N.J., offices.

The FBI searched Urban Moving's offices for several hours, removing boxes of documents and a dozen computer hard drives. The FBI also questioned Urban Moving's owner. His attorney insists that his client answered all of the FBI's questions. But when FBI agents tried to interview him again a few days later, he was gone.

Three months later 2020's cameras photographed the inside of Urban Moving, and it looked as if the business had been shut down in a big hurry. Cell phones were lying around; office phones were still connected; and the property of dozens of clients remained in the warehouse.

The owner had also cleared out of his New Jersey home, put it up for sale and returned with his family to Israel.

'A Scary Situation’

Steven Gordon, the attorney for the five Israeli detainees, acknowledged that his clients' actions on Sept. 11 would easily have aroused suspicions. "You got a group of guys that are taking pictures, on top of a roof, of the World Trade Center. They're speaking in a foreign language. They got two passports on 'em. One's got a wad of cash on him, and they got box cutters. Now that's a scary situation."

But Gordon insisted that his clients were just five young men who had come to America for a vacation, ended up working for a moving company, and were taking pictures of the event.

The five Israelis were held at the Metropolitan Detention Center in Brooklyn, ostensibly for overstaying their tourist visas and working in the United States illegally. Two weeks after their arrest, an immigration judge ordered them to be deported. But sources told ABCNEWS that FBI and CIA officials in Washington put a hold on the case.

The five men were held in detention for more than two months. Some of them were placed in solitary confinement for 40 days, and some of them were given as many as seven lie-detector tests.

'Plenty of Speculation'

Since their arrest, plenty of speculation has swirled about the case, and what the five men were doing that morning. Eventually, The Forward, a respected Jewish newspaper in New York, reported the FBI concluded that two of the men were Israeli intelligence operatives.

Vince Cannistraro, a former chief of operations for counterterrorism with the CIA who is now a consultant for ABCNEWS, said federal authorities' interest in the case was heightened when some of the men's names were found in a search of a national intelligence database.

Israeli Intelligence Connection?

According to Cannistraro, many people in the U.S. intelligence community believed that some of the men arrested were working for Israeli intelligence. Cannistraro said there was speculation as to whether Urban Moving had been "set up or exploited for the purpose of launching an intelligence operation against radical Islamists in the area, particularly in the New Jersey-New York area."

Under this scenario, the alleged spying operation was not aimed against the United States, but at penetrating or monitoring radical fund-raising and support networks in Muslim communities like Paterson, N.J., which was one of the places where several of the hijackers lived in the months prior to Sept. 11.

For the FBI, deciphering the truth from the five Israelis proved to be difficult. One of them, Paul Kurzberg, refused to take a lie-detector test for 10 weeks — then failed it, according to his lawyer. Another of his lawyers told us Kurzberg had been reluctant to take the test because he had once worked for Israeli intelligence in another country.

Sources say the Israelis were targeting these fund-raising networks because they were thought to be channeling money to Hamas and Islamic Jihad, groups that are responsible for most of the suicide bombings in Israel. "[The] Israeli government has been very concerned about the activity of radical Islamic groups in the United States that could be a support apparatus to Hamas and Islamic Jihad," Cannistraro said.

The men denied that they had been working for Israeli intelligence out of the New Jersey moving company, and Ram Horvitz, their Israeli attorney, dismissed the allegations as "stupid and ridiculous."

Mark Regev, the spokesman for the Israeli Embassy in Washington, goes even further, asserting the issue was never even discussed with U.S. officials.

"These five men were not involved in any intelligence operation in the United States, and the American intelligence authorities have never raised this issue with us," Regev said. "The story is simply false."

No 'Pre-Knowledge’

Despite the denials, sources tell ABCNEWS there is still debate within the FBI over whether or not the young men were spies. Many U.S. government officials still believe that some of them were on a mission for Israeli intelligence. But the FBI told ABCNEWS, "To date, this investigation has not identified anybody who in this country had pre-knowledge of the events of 9/11."

Sources also said that even if the men were spies, there is no evidence to conclude they had advance knowledge of the terrorist attacks on Sept. 11. The investigation, at the end of the day, after all the polygraphs, all of the field work, all the cross-checking, the intelligence work, concluded that they probably did not have advance knowledge of 9/11," Cannistraro noted.

As to what they were doing on the van, they say they read about the attack on the Internet, couldn't see it from their offices and went to the parking lot for a better view. But no one has been able to find a good explanation for why they may have been smiling with the towers of the World Trade Center burning in the background. Both the lawyers for the young men and the Israeli Embassy chalk it up to immature conduct.

According to ABCNEWS sources, Israeli and U.S. government officials worked out a deal — and after 71 days, the five Israelis were taken out of jail, put on a plane, and deported back home.

While the former detainees refused to answer ABCNEWS' questions about their detention and what they were doing on Sept. 11, several of the detainees discussed their experience in America on an Israeli talk show after their return home.

Said one of the men, denying that they were laughing or happy on the morning of Sept. 11, "The fact of the matter is we are coming from a country that experiences terror daily. Our purpose was to document the event."

ABCNEWS' Chris Isham, John Miller, Glenn Silber and Chris Vlasto contributed to this report.
 

Vinman

2013 Prediction Cup Champ
Jul 16, 2002
11,481
And what ever happened to this story?


Published on Saturday, June 22, 2002 by ABC News
The White Van
Were Israelis Detained on Sept. 11 Spies?


Millions saw the horrific images of the World Trade Center attacks, and those who saw them won't forget them. But a New Jersey homemaker saw something that morning that prompted an investigation into five young Israelis and their possible connection to Israeli intelligence.

Maria, who asked us not to use her last name, had a view of the World Trade Center from her New Jersey apartment building. She remembers a neighbor calling her shortly after the first plane hit the towers.

She grabbed her binoculars and watched the destruction unfolding in lower Manhattan. But as she watched the disaster, something else caught her eye.

Maria says she saw three young men kneeling on the roof of a white van in the parking lot of her apartment building. "They seemed to be taking a movie," Maria said.

The men were taking video or photos of themselves with the World Trade Center burning in the background, she said. What struck Maria were the expressions on the men's faces. "They were like happy, you know … They didn't look shocked to me. I thought it was very strange," she said.

She found the behavior so suspicious that she wrote down the license plate number of the van and called the police. Before long, the FBI was also on the scene, and a statewide bulletin was issued on the van.

The plate number was traced to a van owned by a company called Urban Moving. Around 4 p.m. on Sept. 11, the van was spotted on a service road off Route 3, near New Jersey's Giants Stadium. A police officer pulled the van over, finding five men, between 22 and 27 years old, in the vehicle. The men were taken out of the van at gunpoint and handcuffed by police.

The arresting officers said they saw a lot that aroused their suspicion about the men. One of the passengers had $4,700 in cash hidden in his sock. Another was carrying two foreign passports. A box cutter was found in the van. But perhaps the biggest surprise for the officers came when the five men identified themselves as Israeli citizens.

‘We Are Not Your Problem’

According to the police report, one of the passengers told the officers they had been on the West Side Highway in Manhattan "during the incident" — referring to the World Trade Center attack. The driver of the van, Sivan Kurzberg, told the officers, "We are Israeli. We are not your problem. Your problems are our problems. The Palestinians are the problem." The other passengers were his brother Paul Kurzberg, Yaron Shmuel, Oded Ellner and Omer Marmari.

When the men were transferred to jail, the case was transferred out of the FBI's Criminal Division, and into the bureau's Foreign Counterintelligence Section, which is responsible for espionage cases, ABCNEWS has learned.

One reason for the shift, sources told ABCNEWS, was that the FBI believed Urban Moving may have been providing cover for an Israeli intelligence operation.

After the five men were arrested, the FBI got a warrant and searched Urban Moving's Weehawken, N.J., offices.

The FBI searched Urban Moving's offices for several hours, removing boxes of documents and a dozen computer hard drives. The FBI also questioned Urban Moving's owner. His attorney insists that his client answered all of the FBI's questions. But when FBI agents tried to interview him again a few days later, he was gone.

Three months later 2020's cameras photographed the inside of Urban Moving, and it looked as if the business had been shut down in a big hurry. Cell phones were lying around; office phones were still connected; and the property of dozens of clients remained in the warehouse.

The owner had also cleared out of his New Jersey home, put it up for sale and returned with his family to Israel.

‘A Scary Situation’

Steven Gordon, the attorney for the five Israeli detainees, acknowledged that his clients' actions on Sept. 11 would easily have aroused suspicions. "You got a group of guys that are taking pictures, on top of a roof, of the World Trade Center. They're speaking in a foreign language. They got two passports on 'em. One's got a wad of cash on him, and they got box cutters. Now that's a scary situation."

But Gordon insisted that his clients were just five young men who had come to America for a vacation, ended up working for a moving company, and were taking pictures of the event.

The five Israelis were held at the Metropolitan Detention Center in Brooklyn, ostensibly for overstaying their tourist visas and working in the United States illegally. Two weeks after their arrest, an immigration judge ordered them to be deported. But sources told ABCNEWS that FBI and CIA officials in Washington put a hold on the case.

The five men were held in detention for more than two months. Some of them were placed in solitary confinement for 40 days, and some of them were given as many as seven lie-detector tests.

'Plenty of Speculation'

Since their arrest, plenty of speculation has swirled about the case, and what the five men were doing that morning. Eventually, The Forward, a respected Jewish newspaper in New York, reported the FBI concluded that two of the men were Israeli intelligence operatives.

Vince Cannistraro, a former chief of operations for counterterrorism with the CIA who is now a consultant for ABCNEWS, said federal authorities' interest in the case was heightened when some of the men's names were found in a search of a national intelligence database.

Israeli Intelligence Connection?

According to Cannistraro, many people in the U.S. intelligence community believed that some of the men arrested were working for Israeli intelligence. Cannistraro said there was speculation as to whether Urban Moving had been "set up or exploited for the purpose of launching an intelligence operation against radical Islamists in the area, particularly in the New Jersey-New York area."

Under this scenario, the alleged spying operation was not aimed against the United States, but at penetrating or monitoring radical fund-raising and support networks in Muslim communities like Paterson, N.J., which was one of the places where several of the hijackers lived in the months prior to Sept. 11.

For the FBI, deciphering the truth from the five Israelis proved to be difficult. One of them, Paul Kurzberg, refused to take a lie-detector test for 10 weeks — then failed it, according to his lawyer. Another of his lawyers told us Kurzberg had been reluctant to take the test because he had once worked for Israeli intelligence in another country.

Sources say the Israelis were targeting these fund-raising networks because they were thought to be channeling money to Hamas and Islamic Jihad, groups that are responsible for most of the suicide bombings in Israel. "[The] Israeli government has been very concerned about the activity of radical Islamic groups in the United States that could be a support apparatus to Hamas and Islamic Jihad," Cannistraro said.

The men denied that they had been working for Israeli intelligence out of the New Jersey moving company, and Ram Horvitz, their Israeli attorney, dismissed the allegations as "stupid and ridiculous."

Mark Regev, the spokesman for the Israeli Embassy in Washington, goes even further, asserting the issue was never even discussed with U.S. officials.

"These five men were not involved in any intelligence operation in the United States, and the American intelligence authorities have never raised this issue with us," Regev said. "The story is simply false."

No ‘Pre-Knowledge’

Despite the denials, sources tell ABCNEWS there is still debate within the FBI over whether or not the young men were spies. Many U.S. government officials still believe that some of them were on a mission for Israeli intelligence. But the FBI told ABCNEWS, "To date, this investigation has not identified anybody who in this country had pre-knowledge of the events of 9/11."

Sources also said that even if the men were spies, there is no evidence to conclude they had advance knowledge of the terrorist attacks on Sept. 11. The investigation, at the end of the day, after all the polygraphs, all of the field work, all the cross-checking, the intelligence work, concluded that they probably did not have advance knowledge of 9/11," Cannistraro noted.

As to what they were doing on the van, they say they read about the attack on the Internet, couldn't see it from their offices and went to the parking lot for a better view. But no one has been able to find a good explanation for why they may have been smiling with the towers of the World Trade Center burning in the background. Both the lawyers for the young men and the Israeli Embassy chalk it up to immature conduct.

According to ABCNEWS sources, Israeli and U.S. government officials worked out a deal — and after 71 days, the five Israelis were taken out of jail, put on a plane, and deported back home.

While the former detainees refused to answer ABCNEWS' questions about their detention and what they were doing on Sept. 11, several of the detainees discussed their experience in America on an Israeli talk show after their return home.

Said one of the men, denying that they were laughing or happy on the morning of Sept. 11, "The fact of the matter is we are coming from a country that experiences terror daily. Our purpose was to document the event."

ABCNEWS' Chris Isham, John Miller, Glenn Silber and Chris Vlasto contributed to this report.
I would like to see the police reports, as well as the FBI reports. None of this makes any sense, and before I get hooked into believing what the media publishes, I need further proof
 

Bjerknes

"Top Economist"
Mar 16, 2004
111,603
I would like to see the police reports, as well as the FBI reports. None of this makes any sense, and before I get hooked into believing what the media publishes, I need further proof
But that's the problem Vinni... the media never really put an effort into reporting this whole thing. If they would have put the energy into it, more than just a handful of people would know about it. But instead it was neatly swept under the carpet like a lot of information the "Liberal" media keeps from people.
 

Vinman

2013 Prediction Cup Champ
Jul 16, 2002
11,481
But that's the problem Vinni... the media never really put an effort into reporting this whole thing. If they would have put the energy into it, more than just a handful of people would know about it. But instead it was neatly swept under the carpet like a lot of information the "Liberal" media keeps from people.
what puzzles me is that Israel has a big stake in what goes on inside our country, both economic and militarily

I dont know how true this is, I never asked a Port Authority policeman when I was there, but I heard that the Jews had a very big interest/investment in the Twin Towers...so I doubt they enjoyed losing so much money watching it fall
 

Bjerknes

"Top Economist"
Mar 16, 2004
111,603
what puzzles me is that Israel has a big stake in what goes on inside our country, both economic and militarily

I dont know how true this is, I never asked a Port Authority policeman when I was there, but I heard that the Jews had a very big interest/investment in the Twin Towers...so I doubt they enjoyed losing so much money watching it fall
The Jews have money everywhere in the United States. Like I said earlier, they own about 99% of the media in the States and have major control in places from the White House to the big investment banks.

And I don't really think it's money the Jews are worrying about, but rather the problem they have with the world seeing the atrocities they continually commit. It's in their interest to have something of value to them destroyed and have it blamed on those Muslim terrorists, making it seem like what they're doing is somehow justified. The Jews will stop at nothing to keep Zionism flowing through our media bro.
 

Eddy

The Maestro
Aug 20, 2005
12,644
Who the fuck says that? "We are not your problem. Your problems are our problems. The Palestinians are the problem."

Oh, what a different world we would be living if fucking Jews didn't control 99% of America
 

Bjerknes

"Top Economist"
Mar 16, 2004
111,603
Who the fuck says that?

"We are not your problem. Your problems are our problems. The Palestinians are the problem."
People that don't deserve the land they occupy, that's for sure.

What exactly have Palestinians done to us? Idiotic Zionists.

Oh, what a different world we would be living if fucking Jews didn't control 99% of America
It's a goddamn shame.
 

Bjerknes

"Top Economist"
Mar 16, 2004
111,603
It's also funny that someone called in telling the police that men in white garb dress like Sheiks were driving around in a white van with possible explosives and "celebrating" the attacks. Once the van was pulled over, it was those Jews in the vehicle.

Now who the hell called the police and said it was "men in white garb like Sheiks" driving around? Was it one of the Jews themselves? This just doesn't add up here.

Plus, there seems to not be much clarity on the number of people detained, which just shows that this story doesn't seem like something concocted for the hell of it.


TRIO WHO CHEERED ATTACK FACE BOOT AS ILLEGAL ALIENS

By AL GUART (NEW YORK POST)
www.nypost.com/news/regionalnews/

September 13, 2001 -- Three men who celebrated as the Twin Towers crumbled are facing deportation, The Post has learned. The men, described as illegal immigrants from the Middle East, were arrested Tuesday afternoon in a white Chevy van near the Meadowlands based on a tip from witnesses who saw them "cheering" and "jumping up and down" in Liberty State Park after the attack, a source said.

Witnesses took the plate number and the FBI sent out an alert to area cops, reading: "Vehicle possibly related to New York terrorist attack . . . Three individuals with van were seen celebrating after initial impact and subsequent explosion."

Port Authority cops nabbed the three as they drove along Route 3 in East Rutherford in the van, which had the words "Urban Moving Systems" painted on it. After grilling the men and searching the van in vain for explosives, the FBI turned the men over to the Immigration and Naturalization Service for deportation.

The feds declined to release the men's identities or nationalities. "The agency has decided it will not make any comments about this at this time," said INS spokesman Kerry Gill. Officials at "Urban Moving" claimed to be unaware of what had happened.
 

Eddy

The Maestro
Aug 20, 2005
12,644
You know Andy, I find it hard to believe that a group of ethnic people, being the victims of a massacre/genocide of 6 million people, not only experience and go through it, but embrace it and use it against other ethnic peoples only 5-10 years later. I can't seem to understand why they would want other people to go through to what they've gone through. It's just utter bullshit.
 

Bjerknes

"Top Economist"
Mar 16, 2004
111,603
FIVE MEN DETAINED AS SUSPECTED CONSPIRATORS

By PAULO LIMA Staff Writer (BERGEN RECORD)
Wednesday, September 12, 2001
www.bergen.com/news/2bombvan200109125.htm

Eight hours after terrorists struck Manhattan's tallest skyscrapers, police in Bergen County detained five men who they said were found carrying maps linking them to the blasts. The five men, who were in a van stopped on Route 3 in East Rutherford around 4:30 p.m., were being questioned by police but had not been charged with any crime late Tuesday.

However, sources close to the investigation said they found other evidence linking the men to the bombing plot. "There are maps of the city in the car with certain places highlighted," the source said. "It looked like they're hooked in with this. It looked like they knew what was going to happen when they were at Liberty State Park."

Sources also said that bomb-sniffing dogs reacted as if they had detected explosives. The FBI seized the van for further testing, authorities said. Sources said the van was stopped as it headed east on Route 3, between the Hackensack River bridge and the Sheraton hotel. As a precaution, police shut down Route 3 traffic in both directions after the stop and evacuated a small roadside motel near the Sheraton.

Sources close to the investigation said the men said they were Israeli tourists, but police had not been able to confirm their identities. Authorities would not release their names. East Rutherford officers stopped the van after the FBI's Newark Office broadcast an alert asking surrounding police departments to look for a white Chevrolet van, police said.

"We got an alert to be on the lookout for a white Chevrolet van with New Jersey registration and writing on the side," said Bergen County Police Chief John Schmidig. "Three individuals were seen celebrating in Liberty State Park after the impact. They said three people were jumping up and down."

East Rutherford officers summoned the county bomb squad, New Jersey state troopers, and FBI agents, who waited alongside the van as prosecutors from the U.S. Attorney's Office tried to obtain a warrant to search the van late Tuesday, Schmidig said. The FBI alert, known as a BOLO or "Be On Lookout," was sent out at 3:31 p.m. It read:

"Vehicle possibly related to New York terrorist attack. White, 2000 Chevrolet van with New Jersey registration with 'Urban Moving Systems' sign on back seen at Liberty State Park, Jersey City, NJ, at the time of first impact of jetliner into World Trade Center. "Three individuals with van were seen celebrating after initial impact and subsequent explosion. FBI Newark Field Office requests that, if the van is located, hold for prints and detain individuals."

State police Col. Barry W. Roberson confirmed the traffic stop at a late night news briefing at state police headquarters in Trenton. He would not elaborate, however. A business traveler staying at the Homestead Studio Hotel said she watched state troopers drive the suspects away in a procession of state police cars about 5 p.m. "First, they told us we could hang out in the lobby, but then they told us to leave," the traveler said.

At 10 p.m., the hotel guest said she could see at least two police officers searching through the van while a crowd of other officers kept their distance.
 
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