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Police say 6 shot near Baltimore nightclub
2 Dead, 4 Shot Near Baltimore Club
Authorities say one Baltimore police officer has died and also another man after shooting erupted near a downtown nightclub following reports of a fight.
Police spokesman Anthony Guglielmi says the 33-year-old officer and the man died after being shot early Sunday.
Guglielmi declined to immediately identify the victims by name. He says a second officer was injured with a shot to one leg and three women were also injured. He had no reports on their conditions.
He says officers were called to a downtown club after a report of a large fight and summoned additional officers. He says some officers fired weapons and investigators are trying to determine whether there was any civilian gunfire.
Guglielmi says no arrests have been made but dozens of people are being questioned.
Police spokesman Anthony Guglielmi says the 33-year-old officer and the man died after being shot early Sunday.
Guglielmi declined to immediately identify the victims by name. He says a second officer was injured with a shot to one leg and three women were also injured. He had no reports on their conditions.
He says officers were called to a downtown club after a report of a large fight and summoned additional officers. He says some officers fired weapons and investigators are trying to determine whether there was any civilian gunfire.
Guglielmi says no arrests have been made but dozens of people are being questioned.
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2 Dead, 4 Shot Near Baltimore Club
Authorities say one Baltimore police officer has died and also another man after shooting erupted near a downtown nightclub following reports of a fight.
Police spokesman Anthony Guglielmi says the 33-year-old officer and the man died after being shot early Sunday.
Guglielmi declined to immediately identify the victims by name. He says a second officer was injured with a shot to one leg and three women were also injured. He had no reports on their conditions.
He says officers were called to a downtown club after a report of a large fight and summoned additional officers. He says some officers fired weapons and investigators are trying to determine whether there was any civilian gunfire.
Guglielmi says no arrests have been made but dozens of people are being questioned.
Police spokesman Anthony Guglielmi says the 33-year-old officer and the man died after being shot early Sunday.
Guglielmi declined to immediately identify the victims by name. He says a second officer was injured with a shot to one leg and three women were also injured. He had no reports on their conditions.
He says officers were called to a downtown club after a report of a large fight and summoned additional officers. He says some officers fired weapons and investigators are trying to determine whether there was any civilian gunfire.
Guglielmi says no arrests have been made but dozens of people are being questioned.
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Ahhh, no wonder why good old Sheriff DUPEnik is blaming this shooting on heated political debate. He's trying to deflect the real cause of this massacre... his own department's incompetence.
http://thechollajumps.wordpress.com...ghner-is-a-product-of-sheriff-dupniks-office/
Hopefully this clown is removed from office, but I'm not holding my breath. Some folks still believe Loughner is a Tea Party member and Sarah Palin fan when in reality he's a hardcore Leftist.
http://thechollajumps.wordpress.com...ghner-is-a-product-of-sheriff-dupniks-office/
Hopefully this clown is removed from office, but I'm not holding my breath. Some folks still believe Loughner is a Tea Party member and Sarah Palin fan when in reality he's a hardcore Leftist.
They did find links to an anti immigration group. But the kid is obviously crazy.
However, I do agree that using rhetoric like "We came unarmed (this time)", "We need to be looking toward second amendment measures", and coming up with a hit list of politicians to "take out" do facilitate this kind of thing, especially in the mind of someone who is somewhat insane. Regardless of what political persuasion a person is.
Secondly, it's time to grow up and realize that just because you disagree with someone doesn't mean you need to pretend you're so bad ass you might shoot them. Such things take away from the issues and important political debate.
However, I do agree that using rhetoric like "We came unarmed (this time)", "We need to be looking toward second amendment measures", and coming up with a hit list of politicians to "take out" do facilitate this kind of thing, especially in the mind of someone who is somewhat insane. Regardless of what political persuasion a person is.
Secondly, it's time to grow up and realize that just because you disagree with someone doesn't mean you need to pretend you're so bad ass you might shoot them. Such things take away from the issues and important political debate.
Here's an article on the politicizing of the event.
http://www.thewrap.com/media/article/climate-hate-cable-news-and-culture-violent-talk-23792
http://www.thewrap.com/media/article/climate-hate-cable-news-and-culture-violent-talk-23792
This sounds like a slippery slope fallacy to me. There is no evidence that this neanderthal even paid any attention to Sarah Parah or her ridiculous target map. Again, he seems to have taken offense that Giffords was too far right.
I mean, if we're going to make the conclusion that Palin's nonsense managed to cause this, then we can officially say that Al Gore caused the Discovery Shooting to happen. Remember that deranged environmentalist that shot up their headquarters? Yeah, the global warming doomers should therefore curtail their rhetoric.
I mean, if we're going to make the conclusion that Palin's nonsense managed to cause this, then we can officially say that Al Gore caused the Discovery Shooting to happen. Remember that deranged environmentalist that shot up their headquarters? Yeah, the global warming doomers should therefore curtail their rhetoric.
This sounds like a slippery slope fallacy to me. There is no evidence that this neanderthal even paid any attention to Sarah Parah or her ridiculous target map. Again, he seems to have taken offense that Giffords was too far right.
I mean, if we're going to make the conclusion that Palin's nonsense managed to cause this, then we can officially say that Al Gore caused the Discovery Shooting to happen. Remember that deranged environmentalist that shot up their headquarters? Yeah, the global warming doomers should therefore curtail their rhetoric.
I mean, if we're going to make the conclusion that Palin's nonsense managed to cause this, then we can officially say that Al Gore caused the Discovery Shooting to happen. Remember that deranged environmentalist that shot up their headquarters? Yeah, the global warming doomers should therefore curtail their rhetoric.
To ignore the violent rhetoric of the past elections is irresponsible. Especially, in light of this attack. Of course we have the freedom to say what we want in this country, but we also have the responsibility for what we say. I'm not saying Tea Party representatives should be held responsible, but perhaps they should be careful what they say.
Granted, it's uncouth for the Dems to use the attempted assassination as a platform to spread their own rhetoric.
I think you're confused on Gifford's politics. She was a proponent of the DREAM Act, which is pretty liberal as far as immigration goes. The shooter was apparently anti-immigrant as well as anti-government.
It's way too early to ascertain why the young man did what he did. Complete evidence has yet to be gathered and the shooter is refusing to cooperate with authorities. We may never fully understand what caused this to happen. So much of what you read is purely speculation at this point.
Al Gore might not have called for an assassination, but the point is his rhetoric on Global Warming might cause someone to snap. The world is going to end tomorrow unless we eliminate ourselves, so me, the crazy person, is going to go kill a bunch of people because if not... we're screwed.
See how this works?
It's the same argument in the case of the Tea Party (whatever that means in this case). Media pundits and social revisionists like Mark Potok blame the speech of one group instead of what actually led to the shooting, i.e. obvious failure of our mental health system and authorities to recognize this guy is a threat. That's why I think these sort of folks just can't wait for someone to get killed to spread their agenda. They are incredibly disingenuous.
She isn't for open borders though. Plus she is a proponent of gun rights.
Friends of this lunatic describe him as a leftist, and judging by his favorite books he certainly isn't a conservative. Apparently he has some Lucifer worship tent in his back yard and likes to dress up as the Grim Reaper. So it's quite clear that he is an unstable individual.
One doctor on Hardball last night made the point that these sort of nutjobs latch on to anything to feed their insanity. So whatever his politics happen to be, they are merely a package for his insanity and this sort of event would occur even if he was upset someone was kicked off American Idol. I tend to agree with that.
So in reality, the real hate speech is coming from the likes of the ADL, the SPLC, and other moronic organizations trying to single out one particular group - one that has no affiliation with the suspect whatsoever - to promote their own agenda. That is disgusting, reprehensible, hateful, and a load of crap.
See how this works?
It's the same argument in the case of the Tea Party (whatever that means in this case). Media pundits and social revisionists like Mark Potok blame the speech of one group instead of what actually led to the shooting, i.e. obvious failure of our mental health system and authorities to recognize this guy is a threat. That's why I think these sort of folks just can't wait for someone to get killed to spread their agenda. They are incredibly disingenuous.
She isn't for open borders though. Plus she is a proponent of gun rights.
Friends of this lunatic describe him as a leftist, and judging by his favorite books he certainly isn't a conservative. Apparently he has some Lucifer worship tent in his back yard and likes to dress up as the Grim Reaper. So it's quite clear that he is an unstable individual.
One doctor on Hardball last night made the point that these sort of nutjobs latch on to anything to feed their insanity. So whatever his politics happen to be, they are merely a package for his insanity and this sort of event would occur even if he was upset someone was kicked off American Idol. I tend to agree with that.
So in reality, the real hate speech is coming from the likes of the ADL, the SPLC, and other moronic organizations trying to single out one particular group - one that has no affiliation with the suspect whatsoever - to promote their own agenda. That is disgusting, reprehensible, hateful, and a load of crap.
You're making a big stretch with your Al Gore example. It really doesn't translate. Al Gore made Global Warming to be a big deal, but he never said corporations want to kill your grandmother, never claimed that global warming will cause death panels, and he never once suggested to use violence to make a statement.
The point is not to place blame on a specific group, but for all of us to realize that using cross hairs when circles or stars would meet the same goal is not necessary. Being a gun happy, kill you if I disagree with you society is not productive. There are consequences to our actions. You may feel that telling Americans to reload instead of retreat or resort to second amendment solutions to problems is "okay". I happen to disagree.
At the same, time we don't know what set the guy off. It could have been anything. Apparently he was a regular at her Town Hall meetings and regularly asked weird ass questions, many pertaining to the meanings of words used in her speeches.
The Southern Poverty Law Center is actually a pretty good organization. Keeping track groups like the KKK, Neo Nazis, New Black Panthers, Extremist Catholic/Christian groups, Extremist Islamic groups etc.
The point is not to place blame on a specific group, but for all of us to realize that using cross hairs when circles or stars would meet the same goal is not necessary. Being a gun happy, kill you if I disagree with you society is not productive. There are consequences to our actions. You may feel that telling Americans to reload instead of retreat or resort to second amendment solutions to problems is "okay". I happen to disagree.
At the same, time we don't know what set the guy off. It could have been anything. Apparently he was a regular at her Town Hall meetings and regularly asked weird ass questions, many pertaining to the meanings of words used in her speeches.
The Southern Poverty Law Center is actually a pretty good organization. Keeping track groups like the KKK, Neo Nazis, New Black Panthers, Extremist Catholic/Christian groups, Extremist Islamic groups etc.
I beg to differ. It's the same sort of fear mongering seen all the time in politics. Whether it be death panels, tanks on the streets if we don't pass TARP, or Global Warming will destroy the planet, all can be taken a certain way and acted upon by someone mentally unstable. So therefore, IMO, we also need to highlight the rhetoric of Global Warming doomers as well... if I wasn't such a knee-jerker when it comes to free speech.
And I'm not really familiar with the Tea Party calling for violence. Perhaps a few nutjobs who call themselves members have, but I think this is another overreaction by certain folks in the media and in politics.
You have to realize that fringe political groups, no matter what they stand for, will be demonized by the establishment parties because they are a perceived threat to their future. The Neo-Cunts hijacked the Tea Party when they figured they would lose the battle in discrediting them. This is why we can't get anywhere in our failed political system.
And I'm not really familiar with the Tea Party calling for violence. Perhaps a few nutjobs who call themselves members have, but I think this is another overreaction by certain folks in the media and in politics.
You have to realize that fringe political groups, no matter what they stand for, will be demonized by the establishment parties because they are a perceived threat to their future. The Neo-Cunts hijacked the Tea Party when they figured they would lose the battle in discrediting them. This is why we can't get anywhere in our failed political system.
Sure all fear mongering should be curbed. The public should be presented with facts and allowed to make their own judgements.
I was referring to comments during the election made by Bachman, Palin, Angle, O'Donnell (mostly women, weird). Tea Party representatives. Sure some are neo-cons that may not be sharing the same interests of the Tea Party's founding fathers, but the Tea Party has allowed them to be representative of their party. Therefore, the Tea Party must assume responsibility for those idiots the same as the Republicans and Democrats must be responsible for their own fools.
I was referring to comments during the election made by Bachman, Palin, Angle, O'Donnell (mostly women, weird). Tea Party representatives. Sure some are neo-cons that may not be sharing the same interests of the Tea Party's founding fathers, but the Tea Party has allowed them to be representative of their party. Therefore, the Tea Party must assume responsibility for those idiots the same as the Republicans and Democrats must be responsible for their own fools.