UK Politics (45 Viewers)

[Red]

When you get past the details of the Scottish independence referendum Thursday, there is a broader story underway, one that is also playing out in other advanced nations.

It is a crisis of the elites. Scotland’s push for independence is driven by a conviction — one not ungrounded in reality — that the British ruling class has blundered through the last couple of decades. The same discontent applies to varying degrees in the United States and, especially, the eurozone. It is, in many ways, a defining feature of our time.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/19/upshot/scotland-independence-vote.html?smid=tw-nytimes&_r=0&abt=0002&abg=1

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No last minute change of heart?

My mind wasn't sufficiently engaged when I was wandering along the road for that to happen.

 

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[Trequartista]

I wonder what kind of effect this referendum will have on Quebec if the Yes vote wins. People talk quite a bit about it here even though the separatist movement is as weak as it has ever been.

 

[Red]

I wonder what kind of effect this referendum will have on Quebec if the Yes vote wins. People talk quite a bit about it here even though the separatist movement is as weak as it has ever been.

It's worth remembering through all this that it is very probably going to be a 'no' vote today. Almost all polls reckon it's looking like something in the region of 52-48 in favour of staying in the Union.

So for all the big stuff I've heard about Belgians, Quebecois, Catalans, etc., closely following events, in the end there isn't likely to be a 'yes' vote to inspire these other seperatist movements.

 

[Fred]

When you get past the details of the Scottish independence referendum Thursday, there is a broader story underway, one that is also playing out in other advanced nations.

It is a crisis of the elites. Scotland’s push for independence is driven by a conviction — one not ungrounded in reality — that the British ruling class has blundered through the last couple of decades. The same discontent applies to varying degrees in the United States and, especially, the eurozone. It is, in many ways, a defining feature of our time.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/19/upshot/scotland-independence-vote.html?smid=tw-nytimes&_r=0&abt=0002&abg=1

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My mind wasn't sufficiently engaged when I was wandering along the road for that to happen.

 

[JuveJay]

If I was Scottish I honestly wouldn't know who to vote for, it's hard enough being English and knowing. Outside of London whose interests do they serve?

Lib Dems siding with the Tories and the damp squib that is Labour means that many Scottish voters feel pushed into a corner. The coalition government may even have been the death knell for the existing UK.

 

[Trequartista]

If I was Scottish I honestly wouldn't know who to vote for, it's hard enough being English and knowing. Outside of London whose interests do they serve?

Lib Dems siding with the Tories and the damp squib that is Labour means that many Scottish voters feel pushed into a corner. The coalition government may even have been the death knell for the existing UK.

Probably nobody. The British political class is completely subservient to the FIRE (Finance, Insurance, Real Estate) sectors, which are mostly based in The City.

 

[Red]

Labour being shit and Westminster politics continually edging to the right were both factors in my decision.

 

[JuveJay]

Probably nobody. The British political class is completely subservient to the FIRE (Finance, Insurance, Real Estate) sectors, which are mostly based in The City.

At this rate Britain's states of the future will end up reverting to something along the geographical lines of medieval Britain; Greater London, Scotland, Wales, Greater Manchester (Lancashire-Cumbria), Greater Birmingham (Mercia) and the likes of Cornwall (Wessex), Anglia and Northumberland.

People are disillusioned, their policies only suit London and the middle Englanders.

 

[Trequartista]

That's why I think a federal system would help Britain, it would give the regions more autonomy and enable them to depend less on London. You have to get rid of that parasitic political class though.

It's such an elitist political class, they're all Oxbridge graduates from mostly rich families.

 

[radekas]

Seems like the UK needs this guy:

 

[Trequartista]

They had him four centuries ago and he didn't succeed.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guy_Fawkes

 

[Red]

And that's going back to when it was a Scottish king in London...

 

[radekas]

That guy didn't know fancy karate shit.

 

[Maddy]

Everything you just listed is the debate to be had if they gain independence, everything I have said is the debate about whether or not they should be independent. Different things entirely.

no. but nice try.

see if you can re-package ur nonsense in some fancier words

 

[Martin]

no. but nice try.

see if you re-package ur nonsense in some fancier words

you find him not satisfactory?

 

[Maddy]

you find him not satisfactory?

only god can judge

 

[Martin]

i'll be the judge of that

 

[Ford Prefect]

no. but nice try.

see if you can re-package ur nonsense in some fancier words

*No, *See (sic), *repackage, *your.

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They had him four centuries ago and he didn't succeed.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guy_Fawkes

Guy Fawkes was a scapegoat, he was tortured into a false confession and then killed.

 

[Zé Tahir]

So it looks like a No.

See ya'll again in 20 years?

 

[Ford Prefect]

So it looks like a No.

See ya'll again in 20 years?

It's a shame if the current polls are correct, almost got rid of them!