Thierry Henry (2 Viewers)

[mikhail]

++ [ originally posted by Nawaf ] ++
But the thing is, both like to have a team built around them.. As is evident in Arsenal's season so far, they're very Thierry-dependant.. and you know how both of them like to get the ball from midfield, and then do something with it.. Two players like that playing on the same team won't work IMO..
It was the same with Zlatan and DP once.. Zlatan was supposed to be the finisher, but he kept coming back to get the ball from midfield, and thus, no one in attack.. :undecide:

Not totally true of Henry, I think. That Arsenal is built around him is more out of necessity given their resources than out of his ego or style. Note too that he currently partners players like Bergkamp, van Persie and Reyes, none of whom is exactly a goal hatcher like Trezeguet.

Rivaldo was the centre-piece for Barca for years, and it hurt the team more than it helped. Having two players like that is the better option.

 

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[djleli]

btw i forgot viera used to give henry many assists maybe it would bgood to team them back again

 

[mikhail]

++ [ originally posted by djleli ] ++
btw i forgot viera used to give henry many assists maybe it would bgood to team them back again

Arsenal's system, with all those floating forwards and no striker, practically begs for a midfielder to barge through and get on the end of things. Often that was Vieira, though most people don't think of him in that kind of role. Don't know how well they'd work together in Juve's system, but good players like them tend to figure something out.

 

[Orgut]

I thought about something that will surely be good but will never happen
Henry-Trez partnership
But it won`t happen cause: 1) Capello won`t use Zlatan as a sub and he won`t sell him
2) I don`t think we are even planning of getting Henry

Anyway I`m not for that partnership cause I believe in Zlatan`s potential being an extordinary player in the future so I`m more for Zlatan Henry partnership

 

[lestat_1987]

but maybe Capello will leave....just a thought

 

[lestat_1987]

Arsenal captain Thierry Henry will not consider new contract talks until after the end of this season.

The superstar striker, 28, has two years left on his contract but boss Arsene Wenger hoped he would put pen to paper before the New Year.

But French ace Henry, who is out with a groin injury, insisted: "We will talk about it at the end of the season.

"I will speak to the boss and ask him about things but my mind isn't on that at the moment.

"I made myself clear at the start of the season. I said I wanted to concentrate on football, help my team and focus on winning trophies rather than worry about contracts.

"Obviously, I will sit down with the boss and the board and sort it out."

It seems clear Henry, who is linked with a move to Barcelona next summer, wants to see how far Arsenal get in this season's Champions League and if they strengthen the squad during January's transfer window.

 

[Zlatan]

++ [ originally posted by Orgut ] ++
I thought about something that will surely be good but will never happen
Henry-Trez partnership
But it won`t happen cause: 1) Capello won`t use Zlatan as a sub and he won`t sell him
2) I don`t think we are even planning of getting Henry

Anyway I`m not for that partnership cause I believe in Zlatan`s potential being an extordinary player in the future so I`m more for Zlatan Henry partnership

I'm confident that if we were to get Henry we would play him out wide on the left. Not as a pure winger, but he'd be doing more or less what he's doing now but he'd start off a little wider. Same if Cassano joins us.



Imagine this:

--------Zlatan Trezeguet----------

Henry

----------Vieira Emerson Camoranesi

Zambrotta Thuram Cannavaro Zebina

----------------Buffon-----------------

 

[Edge]

Somehow I don't think he will be coming since we played him on the left wing last time around, and we all know know how shite he looked then.

 

[Holygr4le]

Henry….?
No. Don’t want him.

As far as I can see there are 2 camps.
One that consider Henry one of the top 3 forwards in the world, and one other that believes him to be a great player, not the best player. I’m in the second group.

If you look at his history you’ll se he scores tons of goals against less competitive teams and almost never scores in tight games against world class resistance.
This is one reason why Arsenal never made it in the CL.

When the paste is low and/or the defense is tight and reduces surface he just disappears in the games. In Serie A that is almost ever a fact.
He was not successful before and wouldn’t be it today either.

 

[/usr/bin]

++ [ originally posted by Holygr4le ] ++
If you look at his history you’ll se he scores tons of goals against less competitive teams and almost never scores in tight games against world class resistance.

sure.. Chelsea and Man Utd aren't world class resistance..

 

[mikhail]

++ [ originally posted by Holygr4le ] ++
As far as I can see there are 2 camps.
One that consider Henry one of the top 3 forwards in the world, and one other that believes him to be a great player, not the best player. I’m in the second group.

I'm part of the first group. Ooh, debate!

If you look at his history you’ll se he scores tons of goals against less competitive teams and almost never scores in tight games against world class resistance.

A lot of people have said that, but they rarely attempt to put numbers on it. I'm certain he scores against big teams and in big games. I've never had a good memory for that kind of thing.

This is one reason why Arsenal never made it in the CL.

I think Arsenal's performances in the CL are part of the reason for Henry's poor reputation for some. I think their team tactics are exposed in Europe, and their defending is frankly inadequite. Henry is often left hopefully running for balls that won't arrive.

When the paste {pace?} is low and/or the defense is tight and reduces surface he just disappears in the games. In Serie A that is almost ever a fact.
He was not successful before and wouldn’t be it today either.

There was an interesting thread before that delved into the detail of Henry's stay at Juve. Again, detail's the killer, but I seem to recall leaving that one satisfied that he hadn't been given sufficient chance in his natural position to be written off. Six months at age 19(?) mean very little.

 

[Holygr4le]

++ [ originally posted by Holygr4le ] ++
Henry….?
No. Don’t want him.

As far as I can see there are 2 camps.
One that consider Henry one of the top 3 forwards in the world, and one other that believes him to be a great player, not the best player. I’m in the second group.

If you look at his history you’ll se he scores tons of goals against less competitive teams and almost never scores in tight games against world class resistance.
This is one reason why Arsenal never made it in the CL.

When the paste is low and/or the defense is tight and reduces surface he just disappears in the games. In Serie A that is almost ever a fact.
He was not successful before and wouldn’t be it today either.

++ [ originally posted by Nawaf ] ++
sure.. Chelsea and Man Utd aren't world class resistance..

They are in deed world class!
My point is that he scores seldom against exactly those teams and then make hat trick against Sunderland.

 

[Holygr4le]

++ [ originally posted by mikhail ] ++
I'm part of the first group. Ooh, debate!

I will behave.

++ [ originally posted by mikhail ] ++
A lot of people have said that, but they rarely attempt to put numbers on it. I'm certain he scores against big teams and in big games. I've never had a good memory for that kind of thing.

International games:
Caps Goals Date Venue Opponent Score Competition

1 11-10-97 Lens South Africa 2-1
2 27- 5-98 Casablanca Belgium 1-0 Hassan II Trophy
3 29- 5-98 Casablanca Morocco 2-2 Hassan II Trophy
4 1 1 12- 6-98 Marseille South Africa 3-0 World Cup
5 2 3 18- 6-98 Saint-Denis Saudi Arabia 4-0 World Cup
6 3 24- 6-98 Lyon Denmark 2-1 World Cup
7 3 28- 6-98 Lens Paraguay 1-0 World Cup
8 3 3- 7-98 Saint-Denis Italy 0-0 [1] World Cup
9 3 8- 7-98 Saint-Denis Croatia 2-1 World Cup
10 3 19- 8-98 Wien Austria 2-2
11 3 5- 9-98 Reykjavík Iceland 1-1 European Ch. Qual.
12 1 4 29- 3-00 Glasgow Scotland 2-0
13 4 26- 4-00 Saint-Denis Slovenia 3-2
14 4 28- 5-00 Zagreb Croatia 2-0
15 4 4- 6-00 Casablanca Japan 2-2 [2] Hassan II Trophy
16 1 5 6- 6-00 Casablanca Morocco 5-1 Hassan II Trophy
17 1 6 11- 6-00 Brugge Denmark 3-0 European Champ.
18 1 7 16- 6-00 Brugge Czech Republic 2-1 European Champ.
19 7 21- 6-00 Amsterdam Netherlands 2-3 European Champ.
20 1 8 28- 6-00 Brussel Portugal 2-1 European Champ.
21 8 2- 7-00 Rotterdam Italy 2-1 European Champ.
22 8 16- 8-00 Marseille FIFA 5-1
23 8 2- 9-00 Saint-Denis England 1-1
24 8 4-10-00 Saint-Denis Cameroon 1-1
25 8 7-10-00 Johannesburg South Africa 0-0
26 8 27- 2-01 Saint-Denis Germany 1-0
27 1 9 24- 3-01 Saint-Denis Japan 5-0
28 9 28- 3-01 Valencia Spain 1-2
29 1 10 25- 4-01 Saint-Denis Portugal 4-0
30 10 15- 8-01 Nantes Denmark 1-0
31 10 1- 9-01 Santiago Chile 1-2
32 1 11 6-10-01 Saint-Denis Algeria 4-1 [3]
33 11 13- 2-02 Saint-Denis Romania 2-1
34 1 12 27- 3-02 Saint-Denis Scotland 5-0
35 12 17- 4-02 Saint-Denis Russia 0-0
36 12 26- 5-02 Suwon South Korea 3-2
37 12 31- 5-02 Seoul Senegal 0-1 World Cup
38 12 6- 6-02 Busan Uruguay 0-0 World Cup
39 12 21- 8-02 Radès Tunisia 1-1
40 12 12-10-02 Saint-Denis Slovenia 5-0 European Ch. Qual.
41 2 14 16-10-02 La Valletta Malta 4-0 European Ch. Qual.
42 14 20-11-02 Saint-Denis Yugoslavia 3-0
43 14 12- 2-03 Saint-Denis Czech Republic 0-2
44 2 16 29- 3-03 Lens Malta 6-0 European Ch. Qual.
45 16 2- 4-03 Palermo Israel 2-1 European Ch. Qual.
46 2 18 30- 4-03 Saint-Denis Egypt 5-0
47 1 19 18- 6-03 Lyon Colombia 1-0 Confederations Cup
48 19 20- 6-03 Saint-Etienne Japan 2-1 Confederations Cup
49 1 20 22- 6-03 Saint-Denis New Zealand 5-0 Confederations Cup
50 1 21 26- 6-03 Saint-Denis Turkey 3-2 Confederations Cup
51 1 22 29- 6-03 Saint-Denis Cameroon 1-0 Confederations Cup
52 22 20- 8-03 Genève Switzerland 2-0
53 1 23 6- 9-03 Saint-Denis Cyprus 5-0 European Ch. Qual.
54 23 10- 9-03 Ljubljana Slovenia 2-0 European Ch. Qual.
55 1 24 11-10-03 Saint-Denis Israel 3-0 European Ch. Qual.
56 1 25 15-11-03 Gelsenkirchen Germany 3-0
57 25 31- 3-04 Rotterdam Netherlands 0-0
58 25 20- 5-04 Saint-Denis Brazil 0-0 FIFA Centennial
59 25 6- 6-04 Saint-Denis Ukraine 1-0
60 25 13- 6-04 Lisboa England 2-1 European Champ.
61 25 17- 6-04 Leiria Croatia 2-2 European Champ.
62 2 27 21- 6-04 Coimbra Switzerland 3-1 European Champ.
63 27 25- 6-04 Lisboa Greece 0-1 European Champ.
64 27 18- 8-04 Rennes Bosnia-Herzeg. 1-1
65 27 4- 9-04 Saint-Denis Israel 0-0 World Cup Qualifier
66 27 8- 9-04 Tórshavn Faroe Islands 2-0 World Cup Qualifier
67 27 9-10-04 Saint-Denis Ireland 0-0 World Cup Qualifier
68 1 28 13-10-04 Lefkosia Cyprus 2-0 World Cup Qualifier
69 28 17-11-04 Saint-Denis Poland 0-0
70 28 9- 2-05 Saint-Denis Sweden 1-1
71 1 29 17- 8-05 Saint-Denis Ivory Coast 3-0
72 29 3- 9-05 Lens Faroe Islands 3-0 World Cup Qualifier
73 1 30 7- 9-05 Dublin Ireland 1-0 World Cup Qualifier

[1] France won 4-3 on penalties
[2] France won 4-2 on penalties
[3] abandoned at 78'

Total Record

Matches Won Draw Lost For-Against Points Percentage
73 48 19 6 153- 45 115 78.77

30 Goals in 73 Matches (0.41 per match)

Types of Matches and Goals

Matches Goals
Friendlies 32 9
European Champ. Qual. 8 6
European Championship 9 5
World Cup 8 3
World Cup Qualifiers 6 2
Confederation Cup 5 4
Other Tournaments 5 1

Total 73 30


Champions Leuge:

UEFA-Cup 1995-1996
1. Leeds United 0-3

UEFA-Cup 1996-1997
2. Hutnik Kraków 3-1
3. Borussia Mönchengladbach 4-2 1 goal (78)
4. Borussia Mönchengladbach 0-1
5. Hamburger SV 3-0
6. Hamburger SV 2-0
7. Newcastle United 1-0
8. Newcastle United 3-0
9. Internazionale 1-3
10. Internazionale 1-0

Champions Cup 1997-1998
11. Bayer Leverkusen 4-0 2 goals (30 / 84)
12. Lierse SK 5-1 1 goal (31)
13. Lierse SK 1-0
14. Sporting CP (Lisboa) 3-2 2 goals (75 / 90)
15. Bayer Leverkusen 2-2 1 goal (81)
16. Manchester United 0-0
17. Manchester United 1-1
18. Juventus 1-4
19. Juventus 3-2 1 goal (50)

UEFA-Cup 1998-1999
20. LKS Lódz 3-1
21. LKS Lódz 0-0
22. Grazer AK 4-0
23. Olympique Marseille 2-2
24. Olympique Marseille 0-1

Champions Cup 1999-2000
25. AC Fiorentina 0-0
26. AIK (Solna) 3-1 1 goal (89)
27. FC Barcelona 1-1
28. FC Barcelona 2-4

UEFA-Cup 1999-2000
29. FC Nantes 3-0
30. FC Nantes 3-3 1 goal (31)
31. Deportivo La Coruña 5-1 2 goals (30 / 67)
32. Deportivo La Coruña 1-2 1 goal (62)
33. Werder Bremen 2-0 1 goal (21)
34. Werder Bremen 4-2 1 goal (60)
35. RC Lens 2-1 1 goal (43)
36. Galatasaray SK 0-0

Champions Cup 2000-2001
37. Sparta Praha 1-0
38. Shakhtar Donetsk 3-2
39. SS Lazio 2-0
40. SS Lazio 1-1
41. Sparta Praha 4-2
42. Shakhtar Donetsk 0-3
43. Spartak Moskva 1-4
44. Bayern München 2-2 1 goal (4)
45. Olympique Lyon 1-0 1 goal (59)
46. Olympique Lyon 1-1
47. Spartak Moskva 1-0 1 goal (82)
48. Bayern München 0-1
49. Valencia CF 2-1 1 goal (58)
50. Valencia CF 0-1

Champions Cup 2001-2002
51. RCD Mallorca 0-1
52. Schalke 04 3-2 2 goals (36 /47)
53. Panathinaikos 0-1
54. Panathinaikos 2-1 2 goals (23 / 52)
55. RCD Mallorca 3-1 1 goal (90)
56. Deportivo La Coruña 0-2
57. Juventus 3-1 1 goal (28)
58. Bayer Leverkusen 1-1
59. Bayer Leverkusen 4-1 1 goal (7)
60. Deportivo La Coruña 0-2
61. Juventus 0-1

Champions Cup 2002-2003
62. Borussia Dortmund 2-0
63. PSV (Eindhoven) 4-0 2 goals (81 / 90)
64. AJ Auxerre 1-0
65. AJ Auxerre 1-2
66. Borussia Dortmund 1-2 1 goal (18)
67. PSV (Eindhoven) 0-0
68. AS Roma 3-1 3 goals (6 / 70 / 75)
69. Valencia CF 0-0
70. AFC Ajax 1-1
71. AFC Ajax 0-0
72. AS Roma 1-1
73. Valencia CF 1-2 1 goal (48)

Champions Cup 2003-2004
74. Internazionale 0-3
75. Lokomotiv Moskva 0-0
76. Dynamo Kyiv 1-2 1 goal (80)
77. Dynamo Kyiv 1-0
78. Internazionale 5-1 2 goals (25 / 85)
79. Lokomotiv Moskva 2-0
80. Celta de Vigo 3-2
81. Celta de Vigo 2-0 2 goals (14 / 34)
82. Chelsea 1-1
83. Chelsea 1-2

Champions Cup 2004-2006
84. PSV (Eindhoven) 1-0
85. Rosenborg BK 1-1
86. Panathinaikos 2-2 1 goal (74)
87. Panathinaikos 1-1 1 goal (16)
88. PSV (Eindhoven) 1-1 1 goal (31)
89. Rosenborg BK 5-1 1 goal (24)

Seasons Competitions Goals Matches

1995-1996 UEFA-Cup - 1
1996-1997 UEFA-Cup 1 9
1997-1998 Champions Cup 7 9
1998-1999 UEFA-Cup - 5
1999-2000 Champions Cup 1 4
UEFA-Cup 7 8
2000-2001 Champions Cup 4 14
2001-2002 Champions Cup 7 11
2002-2003 Champions Cup 7 12
2003-2004 Champions Cup 5 10
2004-2005 Champions Cup 4 6

Champions Cup 35 66
UEFA-Cup 8 23

Total 43 89

++ [ originally posted by mikhail ] ++
I think Arsenal's performances in the CL are part of the reason for Henry's poor reputation for some. I think their team tactics are exposed in Europe, and their defending is frankly inadequite. Henry is often left hopefully running for balls that won't arrive.

Their defense is very good on paper, but they play way to offensively. That gives Henry even more chances.

++ [ originally posted by mikhail ] ++
There was an interesting thread before that delved into the detail of Henry's stay at Juve. Again, detail's the killer, but I seem to recall leaving that one satisfied that he hadn't been given sufficient chance in his natural position to be written off. Six months at age 19(?) mean very little.

Agree so we can drop that issue.

Look at the teams he scored against.
In 95% of the cases its Malta or something.

 

[/usr/bin]

++ [ originally posted by mikhail ] ++

Rivaldo was the centre-piece for Barca for years, and it hurt the team more than it helped. Having two players like that is the better option.

The thing is, Barca already have Deco as well.. If they needed someone instead of Ronnie.. He's an amazing player, too..

 

[mikhail]

++ [ originally posted by Nawaf ] ++
The thing is, Barca already have Deco as well.. If they needed someone instead of Ronnie.. He's an amazing player, too..

Substantially deeper though and his first instinct, at least in what I've seen of the guy, is to pass, not dribble or shoot.

I agree that you'd want a hell of a DM to consider playing E'too, Ronaldinho, Henry, Deco and Guily in the same team, but is it substantially more reckless than, say, playing Cole, Giggs, Yorke, Beckham and Scholes ahead of just Keane?

Sure, you'd need to make sure those guys really know they have to work hard and sit a bit deeper in the CL, but in a league, that kind of firepower tends to paper over the cracks.

 

[delpierofan82]

Henry was already in juventus but he couldnt play in 'serie a'
he is not good for such a league

 

[/usr/bin]

++ [ originally posted by mikhail ] ++

Substantially deeper though and his first instinct, at least in what I've seen of the guy, is to pass, not dribble or shoot.

Oh, he can shoot.. and he shoots quite often, too..

I agree that you'd want a hell of a DM to consider playing E'too, Ronaldinho, Henry, Deco and Guily in the same team, but is it substantially more reckless than, say, playing Cole, Giggs, Yorke, Beckham and Scholes ahead of just Keane?

Yeah, but the thing is, they'd have to sacrifice one of those players in order to fit Henry into the team.. Or consider playing with three defenders, but I doubt they want to do that..

 

[Daddi]

Theirry Henry would be Moggis sickest signing yet I would love it!

 

[ZhiXin]

hey DDP I haven't seen u for a long time.
Where have u been?

 

[Desmond]

Obviously his brief stint at Juve means very little, but his style is something that doesn't suit Serie A very well.

He lacks upper body strength and he will have to get used to having disciplined defenders breathing down his neck for 90mins.

The biggest problem he'll have to overcome is having to adapt to teams that aren't built around him and having to play with players of the same or even higher calibre than he is.It's no coincidence that Zidane and he always seem to play better when the other isn't around in the NT.