Thiago "The Fired Fraud" Motta (27 Viewers)
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The mentality of this whole organisation is pathetic.
It's becoming increasingly clear Thiago Motta is out of his depth here.
But look at the amount of shit upstream (Elkann, Giuntoli & the entire fucking C-Suite are clueless) and downstream (players are mental midgets and J Medical is a disgrace) from the managers seat. Any manager would struggle here.
Who has demonstrated greater incompetence so far - Giuntoli or Motta? I would say Giuntoli - this arrogant fucker keeps talking about "market opportunities". In other words, there is no clear sporting direction or strategy, and he's just making it up as we go along:
- Di Gregorio ; when we already had Perin (who would start for most big clubs in Europe)
- Koopmeiners ; when he's just another Atalanta system player
- Douglas Luiz & Alisha Lehmann ; when Aston Villa needed to offload their luxury player for financial reasons
This will all come to the boil over the next month - with our activity in the Janaury mercato and league/UCL position by Jan 31st.
I'll grab the fucking popcorn.
It's becoming increasingly clear Thiago Motta is out of his depth here.
But look at the amount of shit upstream (Elkann, Giuntoli & the entire fucking C-Suite are clueless) and downstream (players are mental midgets and J Medical is a disgrace) from the managers seat. Any manager would struggle here.
Who has demonstrated greater incompetence so far - Giuntoli or Motta? I would say Giuntoli - this arrogant fucker keeps talking about "market opportunities". In other words, there is no clear sporting direction or strategy, and he's just making it up as we go along:
- Di Gregorio ; when we already had Perin (who would start for most big clubs in Europe)
- Koopmeiners ; when he's just another Atalanta system player
- Douglas Luiz & Alisha Lehmann ; when Aston Villa needed to offload their luxury player for financial reasons
This will all come to the boil over the next month - with our activity in the Janaury mercato and league/UCL position by Jan 31st.
I'll grab the fucking popcorn.
Getting rid of useless players was a good job but the problem is most of the players he bought have not been any better so far. I have no issue overpaying for a good player, but I have an issue when 2 of our supposed marquee signings have flopped spectacularly so far. Looking at how Koop plays, I chuckle every time thinking we spent around 60m for him. Luiz? Complete waste of money. Giuntolli might have created few new problems that will be expensive to get rid of and the next year we could talk about another year 0. In the meantime, clubs like Inter or Napoli that have lower budgets than us, that dont have a financial backing, keep improving their squads and the gap keeps getting bigger. They have simply made better decision in recent years while we are not getting correct value for the money spent. Should Motta be doing better with current team than 11 wins in 26 games? Definitely. Did Giuntolli make a mistake for commiting to spend around 100m in Luiz and Koop? Yes.
But they don't have lower budgets than us. They have less income in general but I'm not even sure about inter right now qince theirs is growing (last year it went up with 50 million) while ours was plummeting...
The financila backing is a useless arguement in this discussion too since it only creates further depth in the long run. It's not like we're getting gifts here.
Yes, they've made better discussions but again we're falling into the trap of dragging past managements' mistakes into the discussion of the current one. Douglas Luiz and Koop, if they actually flop (even Zidane had trouble adapting in his first months) won't be a big problem to sell since they're both young, clearly have a decent upside and are on normal salaries. The biggest problems to offload will always be guys like Vlahovic and Arthur on big wages.
So did we overpay for those two? Quite obvious since the summer (reasons why have been stated before and shouldn't simply be ignored 'tho) but were their acquisitions mistakes? Far too early to tell.
Edit: inter had 473 million income last season, Juve only 394 million plus Juve still had much higher costs; hence the huge problem.
The financila backing is a useless arguement in this discussion too since it only creates further depth in the long run. It's not like we're getting gifts here.
Yes, they've made better discussions but again we're falling into the trap of dragging past managements' mistakes into the discussion of the current one. Douglas Luiz and Koop, if they actually flop (even Zidane had trouble adapting in his first months) won't be a big problem to sell since they're both young, clearly have a decent upside and are on normal salaries. The biggest problems to offload will always be guys like Vlahovic and Arthur on big wages.
So did we overpay for those two? Quite obvious since the summer (reasons why have been stated before and shouldn't simply be ignored 'tho) but were their acquisitions mistakes? Far too early to tell.
Edit: inter had 473 million income last season, Juve only 394 million plus Juve still had much higher costs; hence the huge problem.
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It is important since we have more leverage on the market. Every capital injections is basically a gift and we have received more than 1bn gifts in the last 10 years. Napoli or Inter dont have such a luxury. They are not comparable financially in any way since they dont have multibilion € worth coorporation willing to absorb their losses and finance unprofitable business. Juventus is in completely different league than any other Italian team, financially. This is reflected in our expenditures on the market, where we outspent every Italian club. Unfortunately over the last 5 years we are not getting correct value in return. Giuntolli is to blame for the last 2 seasons. If we fail to qualify for the CL, both him and Motta should be sacked. Their decisions would affect us for +100 millions.
can't believe but i agree
at least at the moment. neither of the available coaches are worthy of a mid-season shitshow. tudor could be the only one
my biggest issue with motta is that he's not man enough for this current situation. when shit hits the fan you need character, not ideas, tactics or nice words
at least at the moment. neither of the available coaches are worthy of a mid-season shitshow. tudor could be the only one
my biggest issue with motta is that he's not man enough for this current situation. when shit hits the fan you need character, not ideas, tactics or nice words
Well, I get the reasoning and it's true to an extent. But these are also simple business decisions made by Exxor, which help of course but it's also an investment in their own stocks...
I find the rest dwelling on mistakes by past managements again. Blaming Giuntoli for last season is a strecth at the very least... He was barely involved in the summer session and the winter mercato was basically a way of trying to find the cheapest solution there was.
If we fail to qualify for the CL, there's blame on both of their heads ofc but I find this team more than good enough quality-wise to get the better of any of the other 4th place contenders. We didn't fire Marotta after his first summer mercato either. Instead we fired Delneri who was out of his depth and our train took off. I'd say Motta will be the scapegoat then... The question is who will do better
It's also time we stop thinking about the short route to succes, that's what has been chasing us for multiple years now; short term solutions like Allegri or Di Maria (who I thought would do way better btw) or switching direction every other transfer market. Instead see a revolution through to the end. Our team really isn't that far off from gaining some traction. We outplayed Milan and Fiorentina for most part of the games. Results in the league have to start coming ASAP but these overreactions by fans and especially media don't exactly help the squad. Let's cross our fingers we'll evaluate the season with a CL ticket. Anything else will be a disaster.
I find the rest dwelling on mistakes by past managements again. Blaming Giuntoli for last season is a strecth at the very least... He was barely involved in the summer session and the winter mercato was basically a way of trying to find the cheapest solution there was.
If we fail to qualify for the CL, there's blame on both of their heads ofc but I find this team more than good enough quality-wise to get the better of any of the other 4th place contenders. We didn't fire Marotta after his first summer mercato either. Instead we fired Delneri who was out of his depth and our train took off. I'd say Motta will be the scapegoat then... The question is who will do better
It's also time we stop thinking about the short route to succes, that's what has been chasing us for multiple years now; short term solutions like Allegri or Di Maria (who I thought would do way better btw) or switching direction every other transfer market. Instead see a revolution through to the end. Our team really isn't that far off from gaining some traction. We outplayed Milan and Fiorentina for most part of the games. Results in the league have to start coming ASAP but these overreactions by fans and especially media don't exactly help the squad. Let's cross our fingers we'll evaluate the season with a CL ticket. Anything else will be a disaster.
This team is complitely unbalanced, there is no progress shown since 3:0 defeat against nurmberg. There is no motivation, no grinta, no fino alla fine, there is actualy nothing! Even after changing half of the team, everything is the same as it was. Motta have a squad that should easily be scudetto contender but can not provide shit. Every game excuse after excuse, the same allegri was doing.
He is not the right man for this unexperienced squad and i'm afraid that he also find out this by himself. His interviews sais it all. Have the balls, save your coaching career and resign. Otherwise nobody will want after this season.
Btw. Fuck you interista.
He is not the right man for this unexperienced squad and i'm afraid that he also find out this by himself. His interviews sais it all. Have the balls, save your coaching career and resign. Otherwise nobody will want after this season.
Btw. Fuck you interista.
I’m sticking with my guns and giving him until the end of the season. It’s only fair after the garbage we had to endure season after season with Allegri. By the end of the season, if there isn’t an improvement trend, then we can re-evaluate.
If we do decide to sack him, bring in a foreign manager for a change. I don’t want Gasp, I don’t want Palladino, I wouldnt want any other Italian manager other than Conte or Carlo. Might as well try something different to shock our system.
And if Motta has to be fired, then Jungtoli is gone as well. Period. He created this eventual disaster.
If we do decide to sack him, bring in a foreign manager for a change. I don’t want Gasp, I don’t want Palladino, I wouldnt want any other Italian manager other than Conte or Carlo. Might as well try something different to shock our system.
And if Motta has to be fired, then Jungtoli is gone as well. Period. He created this eventual disaster.