Thiago "The Fired Fraud" Motta (129 Viewers)

[Robee]

This is the price for coaching a big club. Everyone expects success straight away. I wouldnt mind giving Motta until the end of season, but there is no improvement upon last year. We are actually achieving worse results (12 points less) and half a season is gone. So how much more do we need to endure? We look the same in each game, he is not willing to change our approach, or some tactical switch up like Yildiz instead of Koop would have been the obvious one and he cant keep players focused until the end of game. We have won 42% of the matches. Thats is pretty bad. I care for results, not the style. Playing good for 60% of the match doesnt cut it.

As for Giuntolli, his most expensive signings are flops and it goes beyond coaching. When Luiz plays, its usually detrimental to the team as he is going from one mistake to another. I have never seen this guy before but when he steps onto the pitch, he never looks like the type that would be a good fit here. How do you as a manager go and buy such a player? I dont understand this. Koop is somewhat better but he doesnt look as elite midfielder his price tag would suggest. We spent entire summer and overpaid in the end for a system player. Atalanta is actually looking better without him this season and they have +60m extra.... Giuntolli's first real summer mercato? At this point it looks better he couldnt spend money last year.

For me it is: if we fail to reach top 4, both need to leave. Motta even sooner if results keep going this way. No point in forcing something that doesnt work.

We're far worse results wise and that needs to change but I'd say our improvements in-game are even more important. Results weren't our primary concern anymore the minute we decided to part ways with Allegri. Fourth remains the bare minimum ofc.

We can hardly call a player a flop 4 months in or we would've sold Zidane for peanuts. DL has been here for a bit longer but was hampered by injuries. Koop only got here at the end of August...

 

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[juventus4life]

He facial expressions during the matches seem to show that he doesn't know how to find solutions for the current situation. It only got worse from here. Il nuovo Luigi Maifredi.
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[Amer]

He facial expressions during the matches seem to show that he doesn't know how to find solutions for the current situation. It only got worse from here. Il nuovo Luigi Maifredi.

His lack of experience and his pretentiousness were enough for me to conclude in July that he is a fraud.

 

[DeviAngel]

 

[Stevie]

Is that a trust worthy source?

 

[Xperd]

I think we can all agree that there is no strong team with out a strong club and this is probably our biggest issue - weak management.

Plus JJ don't have the resources to attract a top manager. So there are two options for us. Either go for a washed up manager who was once good in the past like Allegro or you take a chance on a young upcoming manager.

We failed miserably with the former. We seem to be struggling with the latter too and something's gotta change very quickly.

Besides, Giuntoli's three major signings have all been super underwhelming. There's huge pressure to cut down the costs at the club too.

In hindsight, Conte for a year or two would've probably been more ideal to restore some leadership back to the club but as it stands, it's a long road to recovery.

I just don't see the point of being in this endless loop of hiring mediocre Italian managers tho. I mean people want De Zerbi, like seriously?

If Motta fails miserably, just go all out and get a foreign manager. Uproot JJ's 'philosophy'. What is there to lose..

 

[Ventus]

Klopp?

Good shout. He's the type that likes a challenge as well.

 

[HelterSkelter]

Unpopular opinion..but he needs to be given more time even if we finish outside of the top 4. Id take a 5th or 6th finish as well and give him atleast 2 seasons to fix things.

Max, a super experienced coach who almost won it all, was given multiple seasons in his second term despite being awful, so one should cut a new coach some slack too.

I’m not saying his game doesn’t have issues. None bigger than than not playing Yildiz in the center. But Milik being a cripple and a lack of alternatives upfront, his best CB out for the season and the new signings all turning out to be bad including Koop and Luiz, is something out of his control.

You can’t give new coaches only 1 season and expect them to turn things around instantly. Yes, that is the expectation at a big club, but you need to be realistic with how big a shitshow this is.

Changing Sarri and Pirlo after one season didn’t change things. Doing the same to Motta wont either.


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[Xperd]

Unpopular opinion..but he needs to be given more time even if we finish outside of the top 4. Id take a 5th or 6th finish as well and give him atleast 2 seasons to fix things.

Max, a super experienced coach who almost won it all, was given multiple seasons in his second term despite being awful, so one should cut a new coach some slack too.

I’m not saying his game doesn’t have issues. None bigger than than not playing Yildiz in the center. But Milik being a cripple and a lack of alternatives upfront, his best CB out for the season and the new signings all turning out to be bad including Koop and Luiz, is something out of his control.

You can’t give new coaches only 1 season and expect them to turn things around instantly. Yes, that is the expectation at a big club, but you need to be realistic with how big a shitshow this is.

Changing Sarri and Pirlo after one season didn’t change things. Doing the same to Motta wont either.


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Unless the team goes on a Allegro-esque run of like 3 wins of 20 games or something, there's no point of changing coaches every year. The rot is deeper than we think.

We are in Union territory where we might possibly be talking about new ownership or at least a complete overhaul of the upper management in a couple of years.

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Good shout. He's the type that likes a challenge as well.

Klopp took nearly a couple of years to fix Liverpool.

A couple of bad results and the clowns on this forum would be spamming with the same stuff we are seeing now.

 

[s4tch]

Unpopular opinion..but he needs to be given more time even if we finish outside of the top 4. Id take a 5th or 6th finish as well and give him atleast 2 seasons to fix things...

regardless of whether serie a would have 4 or 5 cl slots, the club can't take an other non cl season though. we'd need a fresh cash injection either way, and the cl provides around 150m+ (even 200m according to some estimations) between tv money, sponsorships and gate receipts

also talk about dropping standards

 

[Vlad]

regardless of whether serie a would have 4 or 5 cl slots, the club can't take an other non cl season though. we'd need a fresh cash injection either way, and the cl provides around 150m+ (even 200m according to some estimations) between tv money, sponsorships and gate receipts

also talk about dropping standards

Standards keep dropping. At this rate, the next objective will be remaining in Serie A. Top 6 is acceptable for Juve Ancelotti was kicked out after 2 back to back 2nd place finishes when a league was far stronger and was considered the best in the world, Sarri was kicked out after winning the title. But Motta should be given time to implement his ideas, work on his strategy even if we miss out on the CL. Lol He has no credit, he is basically no one in coaching world and what few people here are displaying is blind fate.

 

[Akshen]

I'm pretty sure we will get CL with 5 spots, Viola, Lazio will crumble and it's doable. We should stick with Motta for now, I'm more and more convinced that we would do much better with different striker. Dusan is letting us down to many times during the season, even if he has those glimpses of genius sometimes.

 

[icemaη]

Unless the team goes on a Allegro-esque run of like 3 wins of 20 games or something, there's no point of changing coaches every year. The rot is deeper than we think.

We are in Union territory where we might possibly be talking about new ownership or at least a complete overhaul of the upper management in a couple of years.

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Klopp took nearly a couple of years to fix Liverpool.

A couple of bad results and the clowns on this forum would be spamming with the same stuff we are seeing now.

Klopp had a CV that demanded backing though. Motta doesn’t have that.

 

[Enron]

Klopp had a CV that demanded backing though. Motta doesn’t have that.

I can imagine the patience of this place sitting through a 15 draw first season with Klopp.

 

[Mokku]

The people or person who picks the manager and the shit players is the first problem. They should have a dossier on Motta where they study him and his methods meticulously before hiring him. His tactics, mindset, man management, dealing with the press, temperament, how he handles pressure, etc. should all be known before we got him. I would expect the same for when we got Koopmeiners and Luiz. The only surprise for the club should be injuries and unforeseen instances like Fagioli's ban.

Amateurs running the club as always. It's common when you have more money than sense. Clubs like Atalanta have perfected their scouting, they have a system that works every year so most of their new signings will perform. Even De Laurentis the nutter quickly realised that Conte had to come in and whip his team back into shape, even if he had to get Lukaku as well.

Sack him, get a new manager in and give him the Winter mercato. Unbeaten to always drawing matches, now losing games that we cruising in. A few bright sparks at the beginning of the season before progressively worse results.

 

[HelterSkelter]

regardless of whether serie a would have 4 or 5 cl slots, the club can't take an other non cl season though. we'd need a fresh cash injection either way, and the cl provides around 150m+ (even 200m according to some estimations) between tv money, sponsorships and gate receipts

also talk about dropping standards

Agreed about the dropping standards, but its a reflection of where the club is. This is a team with no backup striker and average CBs. Expectations of doing more are understandable for every fan, but there needs to be a dose of pragmatism.


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[HelterSkelter]

Standards keep dropping. At this rate, the next objective will be remaining in Serie A. Top 6 is acceptable for Juve Ancelotti was kicked out after 2 back to back 2nd place finishes when a league was far stronger and was considered the best in the world, Sarri was kicked out after winning the title. But Motta should be given time to implement his ideas, work on his strategy even if we miss out on the CL. Lol He has no credit, he is basically no one in coaching world and what few people here are displaying is blind fate.

The Sarri and Pirlo firings were both wrong tbh. Them being fired doesn’t mena that Motta should get the can too, especially when the squad is far FAR worse.


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[Brny44]

excuse after excuse... For Allegri 3/4 of tuz also said lets give him another year and let's see what will happen. We already saw it and this is the SAME pattern. Give him another half year until summer mercato, than give him another year and in the end we will be like United fighting with relegation's teams.

Fuck motta and his "system" that is not even a system because half of the team is miss positioned and the other half underperform. we have a team better than Napoli, Lazio, Fiorentina and Milan but we suck in any aspect of the game.

Sack this fraud until it is too late.

 

[Hist]

Unpopular opinion..but he needs to be given more time even if we finish outside of the top 4. Id take a 5th or 6th finish as well and give him atleast 2 seasons to fix things.

Max, a super experienced coach who almost won it all, was given multiple seasons in his second term despite being awful, so one should cut a new coach some slack too.

I’m not saying his game doesn’t have issues. None bigger than than not playing Yildiz in the center. But Milik being a cripple and a lack of alternatives upfront, his best CB out for the season and the new signings all turning out to be bad including Koop and Luiz, is something out of his control.

You can’t give new coaches only 1 season and expect them to turn things around instantly. Yes, that is the expectation at a big club, but you need to be realistic with how big a shitshow this is.

Changing Sarri and Pirlo after one season didn’t change things. Doing the same to Motta wont either.


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Do you think we should have stuck with Pirlo for 2 more seasons?

 

[HelterSkelter]

Do you think we should have stuck with Pirlo for 2 more seasons?

100%.

I will die on that hill.


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