Thiago "The Fired Fraud" Motta (230 Viewers)

[Alen]

And that 2018/19 season was our doom.
Look how Allegri started the season. He won the league by New Year. Yet, Marotta left soon after the season began and Allegri was fired at the end of that season.

We thought that the league will be in the bag no matter what and that we needed changes in order to win the CL.

 

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[juve123]

And that 2018/19 season was our doom.
Look how Allegri started the season. He won the league by New Year. Yet, Marotta left soon after the season began and Allegri was fired at the end of that season.

We thought that the league will be in the bag no matter what and that we needed changes in order to win the CL.

It is our banter era can't see how soon will we start to win the league again.

 

[Amer]

It is our banter era can't see how soon will we start to win the league again.

With Giuntoli and Motta never my friend.

 

[Orgut]

The last 20 years after 15 rounds. Motta has one of the worst records. This is pretty much the level of Del Neri, Ferrara, Pirlo and Ranieri (even a bit worse).
Then again, Allegri won the league in 2015/16

Allegri 2018/19 --- 14-1-0 (32:8) 43 points
Capello 2005/06 --- 14-0-1 (35:8) 42 points
Conte 2013/14 --- 13-1-1 (31:10) 40 points
Allegri 2017/18 --- 12-1-2 (41:14) 37 points
Deschamps 2006/07 --- 11-4-0 (28:6) 37 points
Allegri 2014/15 --- 11-3-1 (31:6) 36 points
Allegri 2016/17 --- 12-0-3 (32:13) 36 points
Allegri 2023/24 --- 11-3-1 (23:9) 36 points
Sarri 2019/20 --- 11-3-1 (26:15) 36 points
Conte 2012/13 --- 11-2-2 (32:10) 35 points
Allegri 2022/23 --- 9-4-2 (24:7) 31 points
Conte 2011/12 --- 8-7-0 (25:11) 31 points
Pirlo 2020/21 --- 8-6-1 (31:15) 30 points
Ranieri 2008/09 --- 9-3-3 (23:10) 30 points
Ferrara 2009/10 --- 9-3-3 (28:16) 30 points
Ranieri 2007/08 --- 8-5-2 (30:13) 29 points
Del Neri 2010/11 --- 7-6-2 (29:15) 27 points
Motta 2024/25 --- 6-9-0 (24:10) 27 points
Allegri 2015/16 --- 8-3-4 (22:11) 27 points
Allegri 2021/22 --- 7-3-5 (20:16) 24 points

Del Neri was meh but Ferrara was more than just horrible. I remember him getting beaten every game and then he talked about Rocky. Rocky won in the end... Ferrara just kept losing...
Pirlo`s Juve - I see a bit of similarity honestly, Id even say Pirlo`s Juve had a better attack but the defense is definitely not on the same level.
Ranieri - I actually liked his work - We finished 3rd IIRC and were exceeding expectations at the time.

Motta - Either he will tell the team to actually take reference from Conceicao and attack the area or we will keep complaining.
The second Koop and co went forward Koop transformed from Sturaro to the Koop of Atalanta.
The second problem is also quite easy to point out - Bologna were X4 more determined and it was well shown. When we started with our grinta the game changed...

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Maifredi:"When judging Thiago's work, one cannot ignore the many injuries he has had to deal with. I am convinced that in the long run he will bring his idea of football, but patience is needed.I see more benevolent information towards him. Maybe because even in Turin they have understood that you can't get everything right away. But this story of defensive compactness only holds up in Italy: in the Premier League I don't think the fans celebrate 'clean sheets".

Of course they dont celebrate it in EPL... They were never about defense. Juve are known for their defense in like decades. The only other non Italian team I could mention in this regard is Atletico Madrid (historically they are incomparable to Juve though..)

P.S I dont buy this injuries thing - This is part of the game and you have the players to replace.
A team that knows to create will score even without a Vlahovic (See Kean for instance)
Also a injury crisis Juve should still beat the likes of Lecce...

 

[Vlad]

Which gameplan? We looked as clueless with Cambiasso on…. Excuses everywhere…. We suck simple as that


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You dont think losing our most inform player, recently joker of all trades, affected our game? I disagree.

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Del Neri was meh but Ferrara was more than just horrible. I remember him getting beaten every game and then he talked about Rocky. Rocky won in the end... Ferrara just kept losing...
Pirlo`s Juve - I see a bit of similarity honestly, Id even say Pirlo`s Juve had a better attack but the defense is definitely not on the same level.
Ranieri - I actually liked his work - We finished 3rd IIRC and were exceeding expectations at the time.

Motta - Either he will tell the team to actually take reference from Conceicao and attack the area or we will keep complaining.
The second Koop and co went forward Koop transformed from Sturaro to the Koop of Atalanta.
The second problem is also quite easy to point out - Bologna were X4 more determined and it was well shown. When we started with our grinta the game changed...

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Of course they dont celebrate it in EPL... They were never about defense. Juve are known for their defense in like decades. The only other non Italian team I could mention in this regard is Atletico Madrid (historically they are incomparable to Juve though..)

P.S I dont buy this injuries thing - This is part of the game and you have the players to replace.
A team that knows to create will score even without a Vlahovic (See Kean for instance)
Also a injury crisis Juve should still beat the likes of Lecce...

Does he? Sure, you can bring on Rouhi for Cambiaso but our quality goes down.

 

[DeviAngel]

You dont think losing our most inform player, recently joker of all trades, affected our game? I disagree.

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Does he? Sure, you can bring on Rouhi for Cambiaso but our quality goes down.

I didn’t hear excuses there, I don’t wanna hear them now. The problem is not the draws for me but we look worse every game, he hasn’t changed a thing.

I also don’t understand when we buy players and we know they’ve missed a lot of game why do we continue to sign them? Like wtf ? Because they cost cheaper? Unbelievable

 

[Orgut]

You dont think losing our most inform player, recently joker of all trades, affected our game? I disagree.

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Does he? Sure, you can bring on Rouhi for Cambiaso but our quality goes down.

Savona on the right - Move Danilo to LB or Danilo to CB and Kalulu to LB - Either way its better than put a Serie C level player on the field.
Savona on the left (if he can play there, is also an option)

 

[Sadomin]

I'd rather see Thuram at LB than Danilo, to be honest.

 

[DeviAngel]

He had enough time to try something things like max used to do his crazy experiments in the last minutes from a match. He could have tried McDonalds at LB few matches and no I’m not trying to start Max vs Motta ffs even Pirlo did that.

just start Loca or McD at LB with Kop and Thuram in midfield, or maybe switch to back 3 with MCD at LWB

 

[Amer]

I'd rather see Thuram at LB than Danilo, to be honest.

A Thuram can't be a LB, only a RB, or CB.

 

[Vlad]

I didn’t hear excuses there, I don’t wanna hear them now. The problem is not the draws for me but we look worse every game, he hasn’t changed a thing.

I also don’t understand when we buy players and we know they’ve missed a lot of game why do we continue to sign them? Like wtf ? Because they cost cheaper? Unbelievable

Oh, I offered plenty of excuses for Max so it is only fair Motta gets some.

 

[PhRoZeN]

Then again, Allegri won the league in 2015/16

So there is still hope?!

 

[MikeM]

This guy is losing me. You have to try something else to create goals. STILL with vlahovic by himself and the wingers on the sidelines. It's not possible for koop to fill both gaps beside Vlahovic.

 

[DanielSz]

Motta should switch to a 4312, I’ve been thinking this pretty much all season. The midfield would work better in a three man alignment, Koop would have less responsibility, and Vlahovic wouldn’t be as isolated with Yildiz more central. It would mean Conceicao to the bench, but I like the idea of throwing him at tired defenses. Who finishes the game is just as important as who starts it anyway.

 

[DAiDEViL]

Motta should switch to a 4312, I’ve been thinking this pretty much all season. The midfield would work better in a three man alignment, Koop would have less responsibility, and Vlahovic wouldn’t be as isolated with Yildiz more central. It would mean Conceicao to the bench, but I like the idea of throwing him at tired defenses. Who finishes the game is just as important as who starts it anyway.

@MikeM

 

[Lion]

imagine being told to accept shit, soul sucking football not for trophies or challenging for title.

no imagine being told accept it to challenge for conference league lol

state of throaters and tuz

 

[juve123]

Del Piero:"The issue is that other teams aren’t afraid, and Thiago Motta needs to work on that.A point must be considered great achievement for bologna and not Juve.”

 

[Mokku]

I don't think formation will matter too much until we establish what these players can actually do well. 4-2-3-1 is good only if the midfield can win back possession quickly and move quickly with the front 4 who have to be dynamic and creative. We can't do either.

My thought was 3-4-3 with Cambiaso and Weah as WBs. I think we need the width and the current front 4 are so detached from the rest of the team. You need overlapping players so that Conceicao for example doesn't have to do the same predictable thing every game. When Koopmeiners stepped up on the second half, there was much better movement and we created a lot more. If the defence and midfield are sorted, the front 3 can be variations based on whether we need width, speed, or directness.

Or, every problem would be solved if Luiz, Nico, and Koopmeiners actually were available and played to 80% of their abilities.

 

[Bianconero_Aus]

7-6-2 (22:13) 27 points
Motta beats him on goal difference

Fuck just as I suspected

 

[HelterSkelter]

So we are 4pts behind 4th place..with a game more played. Essentially 7pts behind.

Yea we fucked. Conference League incoming.

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