It was poor wording on my part, there is a lot wrong with the country and many members here really dislike Israel what I meant is personally I feel indifferent towards Israel
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So much for the theory that the US isn't involved in Iran. :rolleyes2
ABC News Exclusive: The Secret War Against Iran
A Pakistani tribal militant group responsible for a series of deadly guerrilla raids inside Iran has been secretly encouraged and advised by American officials since 2005, U.S. and Pakistani intelligence sources tell ABC News.
The group, called Jundullah, is made up of members of the Baluchi tribe and operates out of the Baluchistan province in Pakistan, just across the border from Iran.
It has taken responsibility for the deaths and kidnappings of more than a dozen Iranian soldiers and officials.
U.S. officials say the U.S. relationship with Jundullah is arranged so that the U.S. provides no funding to the group, which would require an official presidential order or "finding" as well as congressional oversight.
Tribal sources tell ABC News that money for Jundullah is funneled to its youthful leader, Abd el Malik Regi, through Iranian exiles who have connections with European and Gulf states.
Jundullah has produced its own videos showing Iranian soldiers and border guards it says it has captured and brought back to Pakistan.
The leader, Regi, claims to have personally executed some of the Iranians.
"He used to fight with the Taliban. He's part drug smuggler, part Taliban, part Sunni activist," said Alexis Debat, a senior fellow on counterterrorism at the Nixon Center and an ABC News consultant who recently met with Pakistani officials and tribal members.
"Regi is essentially commanding a force of several hundred guerrilla fighters that stage attacks across the border into Iran on Iranian military officers, Iranian intelligence officers, kidnapping them, executing them on camera," Debat said.
Most recently, Jundullah took credit for an attack in February that killed at least 11 members of the Iranian Revolutionary Guard riding on a bus in the Iranian city of Zahedan.
Last month, Iranian state television broadcast what it said were confessions by those responsible for the bus attack.
They reportedly admitted to being members of Jundullah and said they had been trained for the mission at a secret location in Pakistan.
The Iranian TV broadcast is interspersed with the logo of the CIA, which the broadcast blamed for the plot.
A CIA spokesperson said "the account of alleged CIA action is false" and reiterated that the U.S. provides no funding of the Jundullah group.
Pakistani government sources say the secret campaign against Iran by Jundullah was on the agenda when Vice President Dick Cheney met with Pakistani President Pervez Musharraf in February.
A senior U.S. government official said groups such as Jundullah have been helpful in tracking al Qaeda figures and that it was appropriate for the U.S. to deal with such groups in that context.
Some former CIA officers say the arrangement is reminiscent of how the U.S. government used proxy armies, funded by other countries including Saudi Arabia, to destabilize the government of Nicaragua in the 1980s.
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Well, what else do people need? While Obama is winning Peace Prizes and Cheney is helping Iraqi citizens, we are essentially funding terrorism. But not only are we funding terrorism against Iran, we're funding Taliban members with Al Qaeda ties.
People need to wake up to these farcical wars and policies over there. We are obviously trying for regime change in Iran, obviously in Afghanistan for anything but Bin Laden or the Taliban, and obviously just care about the oil/natural resources in said region. This is just getting disturbing.
I probably shouldn't say "we", because it's just the goons from intelligence networks and big corporations pulling this shit.
ABC News Exclusive: The Secret War Against Iran
A Pakistani tribal militant group responsible for a series of deadly guerrilla raids inside Iran has been secretly encouraged and advised by American officials since 2005, U.S. and Pakistani intelligence sources tell ABC News.
The group, called Jundullah, is made up of members of the Baluchi tribe and operates out of the Baluchistan province in Pakistan, just across the border from Iran.
It has taken responsibility for the deaths and kidnappings of more than a dozen Iranian soldiers and officials.
U.S. officials say the U.S. relationship with Jundullah is arranged so that the U.S. provides no funding to the group, which would require an official presidential order or "finding" as well as congressional oversight.
Tribal sources tell ABC News that money for Jundullah is funneled to its youthful leader, Abd el Malik Regi, through Iranian exiles who have connections with European and Gulf states.
Jundullah has produced its own videos showing Iranian soldiers and border guards it says it has captured and brought back to Pakistan.
The leader, Regi, claims to have personally executed some of the Iranians.
"He used to fight with the Taliban. He's part drug smuggler, part Taliban, part Sunni activist," said Alexis Debat, a senior fellow on counterterrorism at the Nixon Center and an ABC News consultant who recently met with Pakistani officials and tribal members.
"Regi is essentially commanding a force of several hundred guerrilla fighters that stage attacks across the border into Iran on Iranian military officers, Iranian intelligence officers, kidnapping them, executing them on camera," Debat said.
Most recently, Jundullah took credit for an attack in February that killed at least 11 members of the Iranian Revolutionary Guard riding on a bus in the Iranian city of Zahedan.
Last month, Iranian state television broadcast what it said were confessions by those responsible for the bus attack.
They reportedly admitted to being members of Jundullah and said they had been trained for the mission at a secret location in Pakistan.
The Iranian TV broadcast is interspersed with the logo of the CIA, which the broadcast blamed for the plot.
A CIA spokesperson said "the account of alleged CIA action is false" and reiterated that the U.S. provides no funding of the Jundullah group.
Pakistani government sources say the secret campaign against Iran by Jundullah was on the agenda when Vice President Dick Cheney met with Pakistani President Pervez Musharraf in February.
A senior U.S. government official said groups such as Jundullah have been helpful in tracking al Qaeda figures and that it was appropriate for the U.S. to deal with such groups in that context.
Some former CIA officers say the arrangement is reminiscent of how the U.S. government used proxy armies, funded by other countries including Saudi Arabia, to destabilize the government of Nicaragua in the 1980s.
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Well, what else do people need? While Obama is winning Peace Prizes and Cheney is helping Iraqi citizens, we are essentially funding terrorism. But not only are we funding terrorism against Iran, we're funding Taliban members with Al Qaeda ties.
People need to wake up to these farcical wars and policies over there. We are obviously trying for regime change in Iran, obviously in Afghanistan for anything but Bin Laden or the Taliban, and obviously just care about the oil/natural resources in said region. This is just getting disturbing.
I probably shouldn't say "we", because it's just the goons from intelligence networks and big corporations pulling this shit.
Bush sanctions 'black ops' against Iran
May 27, 2007
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/1552784/Bush-sanctions-black-ops-against-Iran.html
May 27, 2007
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/1552784/Bush-sanctions-black-ops-against-Iran.html
Seymour Hersh: US Training Jondollah and MEK for Bombing preparation
In an interview with NPR on his latest New Yorker Article, titled 'Preparing the battlefield’, the renowned investigative journalist Seymour Hersh reveals more striking details of his findings on the aim of the $400 million budgeted US covert operations inside Iran. He provides valuable information on US military preparations to strike the country, on the total expansion of the Bush Administration’s executive power, about the US recognition of Iran’s overall positive role in Iraq and on the US support for the anti-Iran terrorist organisations Jondollah, PJAK and MEK.
Hersh explains that the aim of the US covert operations inside Iran is to create a pretext for attack with the goal of regime change. “The strategic thinking behind this covert operation is to provoke enough trouble and chaos so that the Iranian government makes the mistake of taking aggressive action which will give the impression of a country in acute turmoil”, he said. “Then you have what the White House calls the 'casus belli’, a reason to attack the country. That is the thinking and it is very crazy.”
He explains how the Bush Administration’s policy of “my enemy’s enemy is my friend” has led the US to support the Baluchi organisation Jondollah and the MEK (Mujahideen-e-Khalq a.k.a PMOI), both of which have clear track records of terrorist activities including against the US. He reiterates that the US has been giving arms and cash to the terrorists in the MEK for years and reveals that “most of the [MEK] leaders have been taking our money and cashing it in an awful lot of bank accounts in London.” He also reveals for the first time that the US has trained MEK teams in the state of Nevada and that “they do a lot of crazy stuff inside Iran”.
http://irancoverage.com/2008/07/08/...ng-jundullah-and-mek-for-bombing-preparation/
How lovely. Hey, after all, dead Americans are in the best interest of the US.
In an interview with NPR on his latest New Yorker Article, titled 'Preparing the battlefield’, the renowned investigative journalist Seymour Hersh reveals more striking details of his findings on the aim of the $400 million budgeted US covert operations inside Iran. He provides valuable information on US military preparations to strike the country, on the total expansion of the Bush Administration’s executive power, about the US recognition of Iran’s overall positive role in Iraq and on the US support for the anti-Iran terrorist organisations Jondollah, PJAK and MEK.
Hersh explains that the aim of the US covert operations inside Iran is to create a pretext for attack with the goal of regime change. “The strategic thinking behind this covert operation is to provoke enough trouble and chaos so that the Iranian government makes the mistake of taking aggressive action which will give the impression of a country in acute turmoil”, he said. “Then you have what the White House calls the 'casus belli’, a reason to attack the country. That is the thinking and it is very crazy.”
He explains how the Bush Administration’s policy of “my enemy’s enemy is my friend” has led the US to support the Baluchi organisation Jondollah and the MEK (Mujahideen-e-Khalq a.k.a PMOI), both of which have clear track records of terrorist activities including against the US. He reiterates that the US has been giving arms and cash to the terrorists in the MEK for years and reveals that “most of the [MEK] leaders have been taking our money and cashing it in an awful lot of bank accounts in London.” He also reveals for the first time that the US has trained MEK teams in the state of Nevada and that “they do a lot of crazy stuff inside Iran”.
http://irancoverage.com/2008/07/08/...ng-jundullah-and-mek-for-bombing-preparation/
How lovely. Hey, after all, dead Americans are in the best interest of the US.
Andy you're amazing me day by day...u seem to know everything about anything (well i know not everything but very close to it) how do u mange to do it!!
Anyhow i've read about this before but not in this detail, and its really upsetting to see America fall this low in order to harm a country while killing a dozen of border-guard is hardly called "harming" while at the same time they are funding the one's responsible for chipping drugs to their own streets!
Anyhow i've read about this before but not in this detail, and its really upsetting to see America fall this low in order to harm a country while killing a dozen of border-guard is hardly called "harming" while at the same time they are funding the one's responsible for chipping drugs to their own streets!
Funny the timing of your post of saying "I'm not going to post anymore". Proof of US govt doing some predictably sinister false flag shit, aggressively targetting another country, and somehow your reaction is I'm outie. Like you are saying I cant find any ways to deflect from that 
But aside from all that off topic nonsense I really don't see a war starting out of this Iran conflict. I predict long drawn out negotiations and continued mild threats and name calling but I doubt it will lead to armed conflict, Iran does not want a war that they have no chance in winning, and after the Iraq conflict I doubt our government wants more casualties and to further lower the world's opinion of us. @ Andy, you seem very well read in this matter and I have not payed attention to this in the news much, what actions do you think the Obama administration should take?
Funny the timing of your post of saying "I'm not going to post anymore". Proof of US govt doing some predictably sinister false flag shit, aggressively targetting another country, and somehow your reaction is I'm outie. Like you are saying I cant find any ways to deflect from that
Basically, if Peter Jennings or Brian Williams doesn't cover it, then it doesn't exist. It's such a waste of time to deal with naive, simple-minded people.
What else do they need? It's reported from all angles.
