The War on Iran (12 Viewers)

[Bjerknes]

Interesting article from ZeroHedge.

http://www.zerohedge.com/article/guest-post-next-crisis-nobody-talking-about

Saudis will let Israel bomb Iran.

http://news.antiwar.com/2009/09/27/mi6-saudis-will-let-israel-bomb-iran-nuclear-site/

 

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[alex_samatar]

i just get married and the world is full of war stop the war you americans

 

[X Æ A-12]

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[alex_samatar]

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[X Æ A-12]

What does marriage have to do with war and why is war America's fault? I'm pretty sure we didn't invent it.

 

[Bjerknes]

i just get married and the world is full of war stop the war you americans

Sorry, Alex. We're under the control of IsraHELL now. It's for the good of the nation and world.

 

[Vinman]

Saudis will let Israel bomb Iran.

http://news.antiwar.com/2009/09/27/mi6-saudis-will-let-israel-bomb-iran-nuclear-site/

well, its always nice to get the Saudis permission

Israel will no doubt bomb Iran's sites, because while NObama continues to play nice with the world, and Russia and China continue to stick up for their partner in crime when it comes to sanctions (which never work,anyways), Iran gets closer everyday to developing a nuclear bomb

 

[GordoDeCentral]

well we have the warmongers before him to thank for weakening our diplomatic stances, who are we kidding the whole world knows we cant do shit about iran's nuclear program.

 

[Bjerknes]

well, its always nice to get the Saudis permission

Israel will no doubt bomb Iran's sites, because while NObama continues to play nice with the world, and Russia and China continue to stick up for their partner in crime when it comes to sanctions (which never work,anyways), Iran gets closer everyday to developing a nuclear bomb

Dude, Russia is going to allow the attack to happen because they know if they do, that means more money in their coffers.

I hope you'll enjoy paying $8 per gallon at the pump. Iran already said they're ready to destroy 8 million barrels per day over this nonsense.

Anybody who knows what they're talking about and isn't a Neo-Con/Israel lover will say attacking Iran is a bad idea right now.

 

[Bjerknes]

And lets be honest here. This isn't just about Iran developing nuclear weapons, which probably isn't feasible right now. It has just as much to do with Iran wanting to price their oil in another currency, dumping US dollars, and shipping crude to markets out East. Saddam tried to do the exact same stuff and he got himself killed.

 

[Vinman]

Dude, Russia is going to allow the attack to happen because they know if they do, that means more money in their coffers.

I hope you'll enjoy paying $8 per gallon at the pump. Iran already said they're ready to destroy 8 million barrels per day over this nonsense.

Anybody who knows what they're talking about and isn't a Neo-Con/Israel lover will say attacking Iran is a bad idea right now.

and if the Saudi's are as concerned about Iran with nukes as I think they are, they will no doubt have to "adjust" their prices as payment

and dont worry, NObama wont be pulling the trigger on this move (he wouldnt, even if Iran was days away from developing a nuclear warhead), it will be Israel....and they will be doing most of the world a big favor

 

[X Æ A-12]

And lets be honest here. This isn't just about Iran developing nuclear weapons, which probably isn't feasible right now. It has just as much to do with Iran wanting to price their oil in another currency, dumping US dollars, and shipping crude to markets out East. Saddam tried to do the exact same stuff and he got himself killed.

I get how blindly trusting every decision your government makes is foolish and naive but isn't believing that everything they do is motivated solely by greed and a hidden agenda just as naive? For somebody so suspicious of whatever our government says you remarkably have no problem believing these far fetched conspiracy theories. Our politicians are not perfect in fact far from it but that's because they are human, becoming an American politician does not change you into a sole less manic who would gladly murder thousands for oil. I don't believe half of what the government says, but they aren't evil, there just idiots

 

[Salvo]

didnt iran fire off a test missile?

 

[El Santo]

Sorry, Alex. We're under the control of IsraHELL now. It's for the good of the nation and world.

Have you ever heard that myth about Israel, that whoever has control of that land will never be defeated. Supposedly the world's final war will be over the land of Israel.

And lets be honest here. This isn't just about Iran developing nuclear weapons, which probably isn't feasible right now. It has just as much to do with Iran wanting to price their oil in another currency, dumping US dollars, and shipping crude to markets out East. Saddam tried to do the exact same stuff and he got himself killed.

whre do you get all this information from??

 

[Bjerknes]

I get how blindly trusting every decision your government makes is foolish and naive but isn't believing that everything they do is motivated solely by greed and a hidden agenda just as naive? For somebody so suspicious of whatever our government says you remarkably have no problem believing these far fetched conspiracy theories. Our politicians are not perfect in fact far from it but that's because they are human, becoming an American politician does not change you into a sole less manic who would gladly murder thousands for oil. I don't believe half of what the government says, but they aren't evil, there just idiots

It's not conspiracy theory. Paul Wolfowitz and Alan Greenspan both came out to say that the Iraq War was all about oil.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/article2461214.ece

Many government officials in Congress are indeed idiots, but to think that there isn't something more behind our foreign excursions is simply naive.

whre do you get all this information from??

Well, mainstream sources report that Iran is dumping dollars and wanted to price crude in other currencies. That shouldn't be much of a surprise looking at a ten year chart of the dollar index. Of course, I can't prove that these facts are the reason why we will allow Iran to get punished, but it makes sense to me, looking at the progression of facts.

Let me put it this way. The military and government is supposed to protect our interests as a nation. Two of those interests include our crude flow to the country and keeping the US Dollar as the world's reserve currency.

 

[Osman]

I get how blindly trusting every decision your government makes is foolish and naive but isn't believing that everything they do is motivated solely by greed and a hidden agenda just as naive? For somebody so suspicious of whatever our government says you remarkably have no problem believing these far fetched conspiracy theories. Our politicians are not perfect in fact far from it but that's because they are human, becoming an American politician does not change you into a sole less manic who would gladly murder thousands for oil. I don't believe half of what the government says, but they aren't evil, there just idiots

You may have a point in GENERAL, villifying politicians to more then they are, when at times they are just incompetent. But calling out things for what they are is another thing to. Its not naive to say and notice the glaring policy of how many decades now? Thats simply based on resource grabbing/controlling, and the most vital resource is oil (though theres lots of others. Doing it under pretexts and with Propoganda doesnt hide it, as Andy said Wolfowitz and Greenspan both basically said what was being called conspiracy theory some years ago, that Iraq was due to Oil.

And same thing with lots of the foreign policy actions of the US in the cold war, was done with the propoganda of fighting evil commies, and saying otherwise made you be accused to being a conspiracy theorist, but everything from the 50s Iran, to Reagan stuff in Latin america in the 80s (til now), have more or less been about grabbing/controlling the resources. Nothing naive about pointing this out, every "world power" or Empire since civilization have been doing it, the US just do it in bit more sugarcoating BS. I mean, seriously, freeing Iraqis?

 

[Bjerknes]

If anybody still believes that claiming governments take military action for natural resources/economic purposes is "conspiracy theory", read the book Confessions of an Economic Hit Man by John Perkins.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confessions_of_an_Economic_Hit_Man

He actually worked in business.

 

[IrishZebra]

If anybody still believes that claiming governments take military action for natural resources/economic purposes is "conspiracy theory", read the book Confessions of an Economic Hit Man by John Perkins.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confessions_of_an_Economic_Hit_Man

He actually worked in business.

You're right.

Foreign Policy 201

You can't have successfully analyised an action unless you can attribute all three of:

The Individual
The State
The International

If you blame one or two or the actors, you've done it wrong.

Like saying Iraq was about oil alone

 

[X Æ A-12]

I mean, seriously, freeing Iraqis?

Well nobody believes that was why America invaded Iraq, I thought the government excuse was the threat of WMDs

 

[Bjerknes]

Like saying Iraq was about oil alone

Care to elaborate?

Well nobody believes that was why America invaded Iraq, I thought the government excuse was the threat of WMDs

Strange excuse. I mean, first of all, we gave Saddam WMD's in the past. But when we tried to find them, they weren't there!

We have the best network of intelligence in the world. Therefore, I believe the WMD excuse was simply a ploy to get us in the region. It was an easy card to play, and one they've played before.