The truth about Beijing Olympics (4 Viewers)

AlexTheGreat

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May 10, 2006
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If the American people knew the truth about the War as I do, they would NOT condone the actions of this horrendous administration we have here in the States. Are you telling me that you're condoning PetroChina's actions in Sudan? Because it certainly looks like you're saying continue on with the genocide.

Perhaps the Chinese are even more brutal than I originally thought...
what an ironical post!

ur country claim that you are the model of a free world but your people have no right to know what really happened in Iraq. or even worse, your people knew or chose not to know that and allowed your government to do that. to a foreigner, your government and your army just executed the wills of most people in your country.

IMO, you are not in such a position to accuse others' inappropriate behavior
 

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L'autista
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Sep 23, 2003
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fair enough

The fact is before 1959, dalai lama was the biggest slaveholder in tibet and the land was ruled by a theocracy system which is despised by everyone in all western countries right now, and thats the main reason why US launched a war against Afganstan as well.
I agreed 100% with you up until the point you mention the motivation for an Afghani war. China did not invade Tibet in 1959 to dispose of a government that was sponsoring and supporting terrorist attacks that blew up 3,000 people in Shanghai.

those who shouted "free tibet" just have no idea whats really going on on this land.
But I will strongly agree with you there.

so, my opinion, before someone say "free tibet", they must think carefully the consequence of a "free" tibet will bring.
Personally, a really bad omen in the U.S. is the celebrity endorsement. When some flesh monkey with a brain the size of a walnut like Richard Gere comes out and says "Free Tibet", I can only imagine the "I (heart) Lama" bumper sticker he must be sporting on the back of his Lotus.

But why is it China's or anyone's business what is in the Tibetan's own best interests? It's not like the Tibetan people are all mental three-year-olds incapable of making decisions for themselves.
 

AlexTheGreat

Senior Member
May 10, 2006
999
But why is it China's or anyone's business what is in the Tibetan's own best interests? It's not like the Tibetan people are all mental three-year-olds incapable of making decisions for themselves.
most of the tibetants earn good money nowadays, and they could use the money for a better living but instead they donate most of their money to the local temples because dalai lama say so, he said who donate more would live a better life if there is a second life after people are dead. on the other hand, dalai lama used the donated money which original for religion purposes fund his political actions against China. then the tebetants who ran out of money went to the central government for aid.

the people there are just simple, most of the olds whos in charge of important affairs in the family cant read or write and all of them are loyal believers of buddhism and they will execute whatever dalai tell them as he is considered a living god.

human rights cover a lot of aspects. they might not have the right to vote for their leaders but they defnitely had their right to survive and live a better life
 

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L'autista
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Sep 23, 2003
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most of the tibetants earn good money nowadays, and they could use the money for a better living but instead they donate most of their money to the local temples because dalai lama say so, he said who donate more would live a better life if there is a second life after people are dead.
But that's also true of Scientologists, let alone Tibetans. However, I don't think that's a mandate for China to lay claim to the liberation of John Travolta and Tom Cruise by abducting them, right?
 

ReBeL

The Jackal
Jan 14, 2005
22,871
Breaking News:

Relative of US Olympic coach killed in Beijing


BEIJING - A knife-wielding Chinese man attacked two relatives of a coach for the U.S. Olympic men's volleyball team at a tourist site in Beijing, killing one and injuring the other on the first day of the Olympics on Saturday, team officials and state media said.

The man then committed suicide by throwing himself from the second story of the site, the 13th century Drum Tower just five miles from the main Olympics site.

The brutal attack shortly after midday was all the more shocking because of the rarity of violent crime against foreigners in tightly controlled China, which has ramped up security measures even more for the Olympics.

The stabbing came only hours after what by many accounts was the most spectacular opening ceremony in Olympic history and it has already dampened some of the enthusiasm.

"They are deeply saddened and shocked," Darryl Seibel, a spokesman for the U.S. Olympic Committee, said of the volleyball team.

The U.S. Olympic Committee said in a statement that two family members of a coach for the men's indoor volleyball team were stabbed at the Drum Tower "during an attack by what local law enforcement authorities have indicated was a lone assailant."

One of the family members was killed and the other was seriously injured, it said, without giving details.

The official Xinhua News Agency identified the attacker as Tang Yongming, 47, from the eastern city of Hangzhou. It said Tang attacked the two Americans and their Chinese tour guide, who was also injured, at 12:20 p.m. on the second level of the ancient tower, then leapt to his death immediately afterward. The second level of the tower is about 130 feet high.

Seibel said the two Americans who were attacked were not wearing anything that would have identified them as Americans or part of the U.S. team. He could not name the coach.

"They were not wearing apparel or anything that would have specifically identified them as being members of our delegation" or as Americans, he told The Associated Press.

He said it is "too early to say" whether the U.S. delegation or athletes will require additional security.

U.S. Embassy spokesman Richard Buangan said it was aware of an incident involving two Americans and was working with Chinese authorities to find out more. He said U.S. officials were in contact with relatives of the two Americans who are in Beijing.

"Out of respect for the families involved, we can't say more than that," Don Q. Washington, another embassy spokesman, told reporters.

Police blocked off streets leading to the Drum Tower immediately after the attack and cordoned off the area with yellow police tape. Security officers were examining the scene on the tower and below.

Attacks on foreigners in China are extremely rare. A Canadian model was murdered last month in Shanghai, but police said that was because she stumbled onto a burglary.

In March, a screaming, bomb-strapped hostage-taker who commandeered a bus with 10 Australians aboard in the popular tourist city of Xi'an was shot to death by a police sniper.

Shanghai and Beijing are still safer than most foreign cities of their size. Punishments for crimes against foreigners are heavier than for crimes against Chinese, and police-linked neighborhood watch groups are highly vigilant. Chinese are not allowed to own guns.

Even so, the U.S. government now warns Americans against muggings, beatings and even carjackings, especially in the nightlife and shopping districts of large cities.

Built in the 13th century, the Drum Tower is one of the few ancient structures still in Beijing, and was used to tell time in imperial China for the city, using drummers who pounded their instruments to mark the hours. It is located on an important central axis of the city, to the north of the Forbidden City, the former home of the emperor.

The White House saidPresident Bush, who is in Beijing for the opening days of the games, was informed of the incident, and his heart goes out to the families of the victims. It said the administration and the Beijing U.S. embassy have offered those families any assistance they need. Also, U.S. officials have been speaking to Chinese authorities about the incident.

International Olympic Committee spokeswoman Emmanuelle Moreau said in a statement that the committee had received reports of the attack and was in contact with Beijing Games organizers "to find out full details, and are ready to provide whatever assistance we can."

Associated Press
 

AlexTheGreat

Senior Member
May 10, 2006
999
But that's also true of Scientologists, let alone Tibetans. However, I don't think that's a mandate for China to lay claim to the liberation of John Travolta and Tom Cruise by abducting them, right?
so, you'd rather let alone millions of tibetans under slavery than be part of a communism China?

I just saw a document movie shot in 1940s by the Americans during the WW2, and in this movie tibet were considered part of China without a doubt. at that time America and China were allies, until the foundation of PR China. and suddenly, China lost their sovereignty in tibet. How ironical is that. typical action of a hypocritic

somebody here might laugh at the propaganda of "56 ethnics united" from China, but you might not know that we were taugh that 56 ethnics were equal with each other and each of them share what they have with each others since we were children and this was written in our textbooks from primary school to university. can u imagine that the US would write such words in the school textbook that no matter one who is white or black or an american indian, we all friends and we all equal with each other
 

AlexTheGreat

Senior Member
May 10, 2006
999
Breaking News:

Relative of US Olympic coach killed in Beijing


BEIJING - A knife-wielding Chinese man attacked two relatives of a coach for the U.S. Olympic men's volleyball team at a tourist site in Beijing, killing one and injuring the other on the first day of the Olympics on Saturday, team officials and state media said.

The man then committed suicide by throwing himself from the second story of the site, the 13th century Drum Tower just five miles from the main Olympics site.

The brutal attack shortly after midday was all the more shocking because of the rarity of violent crime against foreigners in tightly controlled China, which has ramped up security measures even more for the Olympics.

The stabbing came only hours after what by many accounts was the most spectacular opening ceremony in Olympic history and it has already dampened some of the enthusiasm.

"They are deeply saddened and shocked," Darryl Seibel, a spokesman for the U.S. Olympic Committee, said of the volleyball team.

The U.S. Olympic Committee said in a statement that two family members of a coach for the men's indoor volleyball team were stabbed at the Drum Tower "during an attack by what local law enforcement authorities have indicated was a lone assailant."

One of the family members was killed and the other was seriously injured, it said, without giving details.

The official Xinhua News Agency identified the attacker as Tang Yongming, 47, from the eastern city of Hangzhou. It said Tang attacked the two Americans and their Chinese tour guide, who was also injured, at 12:20 p.m. on the second level of the ancient tower, then leapt to his death immediately afterward. The second level of the tower is about 130 feet high.

Seibel said the two Americans who were attacked were not wearing anything that would have identified them as Americans or part of the U.S. team. He could not name the coach.

"They were not wearing apparel or anything that would have specifically identified them as being members of our delegation" or as Americans, he told The Associated Press.

He said it is "too early to say" whether the U.S. delegation or athletes will require additional security.

U.S. Embassy spokesman Richard Buangan said it was aware of an incident involving two Americans and was working with Chinese authorities to find out more. He said U.S. officials were in contact with relatives of the two Americans who are in Beijing.

"Out of respect for the families involved, we can't say more than that," Don Q. Washington, another embassy spokesman, told reporters.

Police blocked off streets leading to the Drum Tower immediately after the attack and cordoned off the area with yellow police tape. Security officers were examining the scene on the tower and below.

Attacks on foreigners in China are extremely rare. A Canadian model was murdered last month in Shanghai, but police said that was because she stumbled onto a burglary.

In March, a screaming, bomb-strapped hostage-taker who commandeered a bus with 10 Australians aboard in the popular tourist city of Xi'an was shot to death by a police sniper.

Shanghai and Beijing are still safer than most foreign cities of their size.
Punishments for crimes against foreigners are heavier than for crimes against Chinese
, and police-linked neighborhood watch groups are highly vigilant. Chinese are not allowed to own guns.

Even so, the U.S. government now warns Americans against muggings, beatings and even carjackings, especially in the nightlife and shopping districts of large cities.

Built in the 13th century, the Drum Tower is one of the few ancient structures still in Beijing, and was used to tell time in imperial China for the city, using drummers who pounded their instruments to mark the hours. It is located on an important central axis of the city, to the north of the Forbidden City, the former home of the emperor.

The White House saidPresident Bush, who is in Beijing for the opening days of the games, was informed of the incident, and his heart goes out to the families of the victims. It said the administration and the Beijing U.S. embassy have offered those families any assistance they need. Also, U.S. officials have been speaking to Chinese authorities about the incident.

International Olympic Committee spokeswoman Emmanuelle Moreau said in a statement that the committee had received reports of the attack and was in contact with Beijing Games organizers "to find out full details, and are ready to provide whatever assistance we can."

Associated Press
this is really sad. RIP

Punishments for crimes against foreigners are heavier than for crimes against Chinese
thats not true. there is one and the only one punishment to those who kills
 

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L'autista
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Sep 23, 2003
84,758
so, you'd rather let alone millions of tibetans under slavery than be part of a communism China?
Yes, because that's their domestic problem.

It's bad enough that we have the US marching around invading other countries trying to tell them how to run their affairs. Adding China just makes it doubly worse.
 
Apr 12, 2004
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Breaking News:

Relative of US Olympic coach killed in Beijing


BEIJING - A knife-wielding Chinese man attacked two relatives of a coach for the U.S. Olympic men's volleyball team at a tourist site in Beijing, killing one and injuring the other on the first day of the Olympics on Saturday, team officials and state media said.

The man then committed suicide by throwing himself from the second story of the site, the 13th century Drum Tower just five miles from the main Olympics site.

The brutal attack shortly after midday was all the more shocking because of the rarity of violent crime against foreigners in tightly controlled China, which has ramped up security measures even more for the Olympics.

The stabbing came only hours after what by many accounts was the most spectacular opening ceremony in Olympic history and it has already dampened some of the enthusiasm.

"They are deeply saddened and shocked," Darryl Seibel, a spokesman for the U.S. Olympic Committee, said of the volleyball team.

The U.S. Olympic Committee said in a statement that two family members of a coach for the men's indoor volleyball team were stabbed at the Drum Tower "during an attack by what local law enforcement authorities have indicated was a lone assailant."

One of the family members was killed and the other was seriously injured, it said, without giving details.

The official Xinhua News Agency identified the attacker as Tang Yongming, 47, from the eastern city of Hangzhou. It said Tang attacked the two Americans and their Chinese tour guide, who was also injured, at 12:20 p.m. on the second level of the ancient tower, then leapt to his death immediately afterward. The second level of the tower is about 130 feet high.

Seibel said the two Americans who were attacked were not wearing anything that would have identified them as Americans or part of the U.S. team. He could not name the coach.

"They were not wearing apparel or anything that would have specifically identified them as being members of our delegation" or as Americans, he told The Associated Press.

He said it is "too early to say" whether the U.S. delegation or athletes will require additional security.

U.S. Embassy spokesman Richard Buangan said it was aware of an incident involving two Americans and was working with Chinese authorities to find out more. He said U.S. officials were in contact with relatives of the two Americans who are in Beijing.

"Out of respect for the families involved, we can't say more than that," Don Q. Washington, another embassy spokesman, told reporters.

Police blocked off streets leading to the Drum Tower immediately after the attack and cordoned off the area with yellow police tape. Security officers were examining the scene on the tower and below.

Attacks on foreigners in China are extremely rare. A Canadian model was murdered last month in Shanghai, but police said that was because she stumbled onto a burglary.

In March, a screaming, bomb-strapped hostage-taker who commandeered a bus with 10 Australians aboard in the popular tourist city of Xi'an was shot to death by a police sniper.

Shanghai and Beijing are still safer than most foreign cities of their size. Punishments for crimes against foreigners are heavier than for crimes against Chinese, and police-linked neighborhood watch groups are highly vigilant. Chinese are not allowed to own guns.

Even so, the U.S. government now warns Americans against muggings, beatings and even carjackings, especially in the nightlife and shopping districts of large cities.

Built in the 13th century, the Drum Tower is one of the few ancient structures still in Beijing, and was used to tell time in imperial China for the city, using drummers who pounded their instruments to mark the hours. It is located on an important central axis of the city, to the north of the Forbidden City, the former home of the emperor.

The White House saidPresident Bush, who is in Beijing for the opening days of the games, was informed of the incident, and his heart goes out to the families of the victims. It said the administration and the Beijing U.S. embassy have offered those families any assistance they need. Also, U.S. officials have been speaking to Chinese authorities about the incident.

International Olympic Committee spokeswoman Emmanuelle Moreau said in a statement that the committee had received reports of the attack and was in contact with Beijing Games organizers "to find out full details, and are ready to provide whatever assistance we can."

Associated Press
SEE! China sucks.

I just saw a document movie shot in 1940s by the Americans during the WW2, and in this movie tibet were considered part of China without a doubt.
First of all, you are wrong, second of all, if you were right, why would it matter? Back then Iraq was part of Britain.
you talk to much, shouldnt you be making nike shoes for 10 cents a day
:lol2:
 

AlexTheGreat

Senior Member
May 10, 2006
999
Yes, because that's their domestic problem.

It's bad enough that we have the US marching around invading other countries trying to tell them how to run their affairs. Adding China just makes it doubly worse.
no matter what had happened in the past, right now tibet is part of China, and that makes tibet issue as a Chinese domestic problem, so why dont u people just let go
 

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L'autista
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Sep 23, 2003
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no matter what had happened in the past, right now tibet is part of China, and that makes tibet issue as a Chinese domestic problem, so why dont u people just let go
Because most acts of territorial aggression are forgiven after the generation who lived through it die off. This is still pretty fresh, and that's the difference.

Doesn't make it right, but that's how humanity seems to operate, IMO.
 

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