The Super League (23 Viewers)

[Juliano13]

The actual football? You mean the shit product we see on the field in Serie A every single year? In CL group stage every single year? Yeah, football is really great.

I watch it because I love the game. But it’s absolutely the poorest organized, the least competitive, and most broken of any of the major sports, the vast majority of teams in top flight suck ass because of talent saturation, and majority of games are a joke to watch.

Garbage. Good joke. The current product is garbage and that’s about it.

Maybe now we’ll actually get to watch meaningful matches against top teams on the regular.

There won't be more meaningful games this way.

First, the gap between the SL teams and the rest will increase significantly and the domestic leagues will become even more unbalanced. Also, since there is no CL qualification, ones you secure first or lose the chance for first, everything else is meaningless. And since the clubs want to continue playing their domestic leagues, that's a lot of boring meaningless games.

Second, SL teams will play a lot of games between eqch other but most of them will be completely meaningless. 4/10 clubs qualify for 1/4 finals. Again, ones you secure top 4 or have no chance for top 4, the rest of the games have very little meaning.

 

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[Juliano13]

Shhh. Don’t burst his angry little bubble.

The fact that you are agreeing with Elvin should be a red light to you.

 

[kappa96]

It's not lending anything until it happens. Did you check the Juve official statement? They can't guarantee it will happen. We are the only ones saying that because only we wre a public company.

Just because they expected backlash doesn't mean they expected this much backlash. We'll see what happens.

At this point I hope some kind of compromise will be reached where they say 6 EPL, 4 Bundesliga, Serie A and La Liga teams, 2 Ligue 1, 1 Dutch and 1 Portuguese teams qualify based on domestic league position and the rest of the European top division champions play qualifications for 6-8 more places.

Scrap FFP completely and replace it with salary caps/ wage bill caps, transfer fee caps or just swaps and so on.

Decrease the number of domestic league games significantly. Get rid of the domestic cups.

Eliminate all international breaks. Maybe play a short one month qualifiying tournament during the summer of odd numbered years.

An even better option might to have a European League with first, second, maybe even third division, with relegation and promotion and a cup competition. That should replace CL and national leagues and cups for the participating teams. The lower levels can still be played nationally and the winners get promoted to the Euro League lowest division. That would be the best for Juve but it's not hapenning.

Man utd is a public company also.

 

[Juve_fanatic]

Full interview with Florentino Perez about the Super League

Perez (Real Madrid): "Football is going through a very tough situation, and the Super League will save the clubs financially. When there is no profit, the only way is to play more competitive games during the week.

40% of young people are not interested in football because there are too many low quality games. We have to adapt and football has to evolve. The Super League is not a closed league, every year 5 teams can join.

Players who play the Super League will NOT be banned from their national teams.

UEFA is a monopoly and it has to end. Football is on the verge of totally ending. We have to act, and act fast. The UEFA have a new UCL format for 2024 but in 2024 we, the clubs would have been dead already.

PSG have not been invited. We haven't even spoken to any German clubs. We are now 12 clubs, we want to become 15 clubs. The super league will not be cancelled.

The 15 founding clubs are the ones that matter the most in terms of entertainment. Teams like Napoli and Roma will have a chance to be in the competition one year or another let's see"

The champions league is losing interest. Will the super league ever lose interest? No, because games will be between big clubs.

VAR will be in the Super league, referees will also improve and they will be FFP (financial fair play). So much money has been lost, we can’t afford to lose anymore. We have been working on this project for 20 years and here we are. We owe it to all the fans of these clubs. We will improve football for all of them.

We have announced it now because we want to start with it next season. The clubs signed the agreement on 17th April. The contract is binding, nobody can leave, there aren’t any problems between any of the clubs, everything is signed and agreed but that's not a problem because everyone is in agreement.

I know what Lebron James is earning but not what the UEFA President is earning There is no transparency.

There will be a 55% salary cap and We might have to make the football matches shorter, if young people find them too long!

BIG CLUBS WILL GET A LOT OF MONEY, THEN WE WILL DISTRIBUTE IT TO EVERYONE. THERE COULD ALSO BE A SECOND DIVISION OF THE SUPER LEAGUE. “

 

[Strickland]

There won't be more meaningful games this way.

First, the gap between the SL teams and the rest will increase significantly and the domestic leagues will become even more unbalanced. Also, since there is no CL qualification, ones you secure first or lose the chance for first, everything else is meaningless. And since the clubs want to continue playing their domestic leagues, that's a lot of boring meaningless games.

Second, SL teams will play a lot of games between eqch other but most of them will be completely meaningless. 4/10 clubs qualify for 1/4 finals. Again, ones you secure top 4 or have no chance for top 4, the rest of the games have very little meaning.

Why would there be no CL qualification? ESL doesn't take away the tools from UEFA to organize CL and EL as 2nd and 3rd rate club competitions and they might continue doing so.

Regarding SL, you can easily implement the F1 model where teams and drivers are scrambling for P9 and P10 every race because it has big implications for the budget the team will receive based on their standing in the constructors cup.

 

[Akshen]

i did listen to the interview live and didnt hear a word about second division of Super League, he just said EL and CL should still be played and winners of this leagues could get access to the SuperLeague, just like it happens now in basketball.

 

[Post Ironic]

There won't be more meaningful games this way.

First, the gap between the SL teams and the rest will increase significantly and the domestic leagues will become even more unbalanced. Also, since there is no CL qualification, ones you secure first or lose the chance for first, everything else is meaningless. And since the clubs want to continue playing their domestic leagues, that's a lot of boring meaningless games.

Second, SL teams will play a lot of games between eqch other but most of them will be completely meaningless. 4/10 clubs qualify for 1/4 finals. Again, ones you secure top 4 or have no chance for top 4, the rest of the games have very little meaning.

Yes. Because all clubs will secure 1/4 finals with half the games left to spare lol

The playoff races in NFL and NHL go down to the wire every single year. And there is jockeying for playoff seeding leading to meaningful games right up to the finish for teams who do qualify for the playoffs. Everyone wants a better position due to seeding and opponent in the first round of playoffs.

I could give two shits about Serie A and FIGC. They tried to destroy our club with calciopoli. Domestic football is also a joke. There’s enough football talent to maybe have 10-12 top flight teams in Italy. Half the matches each season are just going through the motions against shit teams with no talent.

 

[Xperd]

You should try to turn your brain on instead being ecstatic that we and a few other teams have decided we are better than teams that actually beat us on the pitch.

Dazn dint pay €1B for the TV rights because they thought Atalanta played amazing football or that they thought they finally have a team capable of beating Juve for the 1st time in 20 years.
This 'system' that you're moaning about is already in place thanks to UEFA's implementation of FFP. Barca, Madrid, Bayern, Juve, PSG will dominate their respective leagues for the foreseeable future. The EPL might be a bit of an anomaly purely because of the number of teams with a strong financial background but even there you're seeing the richest dominating the league for a long time. Ofcourse every once in a while you're going to get a Cinderella story but 9 out of 10 times, you'll see the City's and Chelsea's dominating their leagues.
It's the same story for the CL really.

The super league teams want to take matters into their own hands, create a system in place where they redistribute the revenue among smaller teams too much like the American leagues. Something which UEFA failed to do by implementing ffp. Will they succeed? I don't know. But we can't sit here and talk about a doomsday in football when we are not entirely sure how much the small clubs are going to impacted by this when there isn't a full iteration of the super league in place.


Lets face it, the only way the small clubs survive is if big clubs make more money because they are the ones that drive the income and viewership in this game. Otherwise you wouldn't have seen promoted EPL teams get €150M just for participating in it.

 

[Juliano13]

Why would there be no CL qualification? ESL doesn't take away the tools from UEFA to organize CL and EL as 2nd and 3rd rate club competitions and they might continue doing so.

Regarding SL, you can easily implement the F1 model where teams and drivers are scrambling for P9 and P10 every race because it has big implications for the budget the team will receive based on their standing in the constructors cup.

Because CL qualification won't matter for SL clubs.

 

[Post Ironic]

Why would there be no CL qualification? ESL doesn't take away the tools from UEFA to organize CL and EL as 2nd and 3rd rate club competitions and they might continue doing so.

Regarding SL, you can easily implement the F1 model where teams and drivers are scrambling for P9 and P10 every race because it has big implications for the budget the team will receive based on their standing in the constructors cup.

One of the best proposals I’ve seen for fixing the problem of 3-4 teams tanking second half of each season for top draft picks in North American sports is to have a seeded secondary playoff amongst teams that miss the playoffs to determine draft position. You miss the playoffs, you don’t get the best odds at getting the top draft pick by being the worst team, you play a shorter playoff against others and success in it gives you a better draft pick.

They could find some similar way to incentivize doing better in the lower half of the league, instead of giving up on the season as soon as a club is eliminated from 1/4 Final contention. A budget thing similar to F1 like you said could work for sure.

 

[Strickland]

Because CL qualification won't matter for SL clubs.

OK, but it will matter to anyone else bar Juventus, Inter and Milan which is 17 clubs to 3, so no, I don't see countless meaningless games in Serie A as a result of that.

 

[Juliano13]

Yes. Because all clubs will secure 1/4 finals with half the games left to spare lol

The playoff races in NFL and NHL go down to the wire every single year. And there is jockeying for playoff seeding leading to meaningful games right up to the finish for teams who do qualify for the playoffs. Everyone wants a better position due to seeding and opponent in the first round of playoffs.

I could give two shits about Serie A and FIGC. They tried to destroy our club with calciopoli. Domestic football is also a joke. There’s enough football talent to maybe have 10-12 top flight teams in Italy. Half the matches each season are just going through the motions against shit teams with no talent.

The best teams will secure 1/4 final with several games to spare. The worst will be out after several games. Seeding matters very little, just like 1st 2nd place in CL group stage.

So, you agree about Serie A games becoming even more meaningless?

Like I said, I think a European league system with relegation and promotion would be great. But it has to be open and replace domestic leagues for participating teams. This exclusive tournament on top of everything else doesn't solve anything.

 

[Juliano13]

OK, but it will matter to anyone else bar Juventus, Inter and Milan which is 17 clubs to 3, so no, I don't see countless meaningless games in Serie A as a result of that.

I meant countless meaningless games for Juve, Milan and Inter.

 

[Strickland]

One of the best proposals I’ve seen for fixing the problem of 3-4 teams tanking second half of each season for top draft picks in North American sports is to have a seeded secondary playoff amongst teams that miss the playoffs to determine draft position. You miss the playoffs, you don’t get the best odds
at getting the top draft pick by being the worst team, you play a shorter playoff against others and success in it gives you a better draft pick.

They could find some similar way to incentivize doing better in the lower half of the league, instead of giving up on the season as soon as a club is eliminated from 1/4
Final contention.

I don't think ESL plans on going full American sports with this, it's more in the direction of Euroleague. They want to continue the domestic cups, the drafting system seems very unlikely to be implemented in any sort of form and they're keeping some spots open to changes every season.

But if the revenue sharing between ESL clubs will be as lucrative as planned, that's easily tens of millions difference in prize money between the team that finishes 5th and 7th or 9th in the group which is enough to make teams fight even when TOP4 isn't reachable.

 

[Juliano13]

I don't think ESL plans on going full American sports with this, it's more in the direction of Euroleague. They want to continue the domestic cups, the drafting system seems very unlikely to be implemented in any sort of form and they're keeping some spots open to changes every season. B

ut if the revenue sharing between ESL clubs will be as lucrative as planned, that's easily tens of millions difference in prize money between the team that finishes 5th and 7th or 9th in the group which is enough to make teams fight even when TOP4 isn't reachable.

Of course they won't. The guy just got overly excitied and already lubed his ass crack with peanut butter.

 

[Strickland]

I meant countless meaningless games for Juve, Milan and Inter.

Juventus will be winning scudetto's, so it only meaningless games for the merdas

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The best teams will secure 1/4 final with several games to spare. The worst will be out after several games. Seeding matters very little, just like 1st 2nd place in CL group stage.

So, you agree about Serie A games becoming even more meaningless?

Like I said, I think a European league system with relegation and promotion would be great. But it has to be open and replace domestic leagues for participating teams. This exclusive tournament on top of everything else doesn't solve anything.

There's a big difference between 1st and 2nd place facing off vs 1st and 4th place.

 

[GiocataGrande]

"This is a criminal act"

 

[ggnoree]

Do you guys think that the reception would be better if the founding clubs could get relegated like the others?

 

[Post Ironic]

I don't think ESL plans on going full American sports with this, it's more in the direction of Euroleague. They want to continue the domestic cups, the drafting system seems very unlikely to be implemented in any sort of form and they're keeping some spots open to changes every season.

But if the revenue sharing between ESL clubs will be as lucrative as planned, that's easily tens of millions difference in prize money between the team that finishes 5th and 7th or 9th in the group which is enough to make teams fight even when TOP4 isn't reachable.

Nor do I, I was only making the point that there are definitely solutions to make late regular season/group stage games more interesting and meaningful as that is one of the criticisms constantly levied at N American sports.

Agree with you on incentivizing through prize money based upon placement in the league at the end of the season. A great idea.

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Of course they won't. The guy just got overly excitied and already lubed his ass crack with peanut butter.

Your little tantrum about something that hasn’t even happened yet is pretty adorable

 

[s4tch]

...THERE COULD ALSO BE A SECOND DIVISION OF THE SUPER LEAGUE. “

that was a key hint there.

it looks like the biggest clubs wanted to get rid of uefa no matter what and they took the initiative. in 10 years, it might not be just an elite club for the most wealthy, it simply could replace uefa as the organization managing international club competitions.