The Super League (32 Viewers)

[Akshen]

all the people who are against it turn quiet when u ask them, how many CL games did u watch in the last 3 years. Most of them will say no more than 3 or 4 and mostly finals, yet they make themselves the biggest defenders of football. For typical neutral fan, there is really no point in watching any of the CL games besides quarterfinals, semifinals and finals. This is something this guys want to change and it really should be changed.

 

Buy on AliExpress.com

[Strickland]

It's not lending anything until it happens. Did you check the Juve official statement? They can't guarantee it will happen. We are the only ones saying that because only we wre a public company.

Just because they expected backlash doesn't mean they expected this much backlash. We'll see what happens.

At this point I hope some kind of compromise will be reached where they say 6 EPL, 4 Bundesliga, Serie A and La Liga teams, 2 Ligue 1, 1 Dutch and 1 Portuguese teams qualify based on domestic league position and the rest of the European top division champions play qualifications for 6-8 more places.

Scrap FFP completely and replace it with salary caps/ wage bill caps, transfer fee caps or just swaps and so on.

Decrease the number of domestic league games significantly. Get rid of the domestic cups.

Eliminate all international breaks. Maybe play a short one month qualifiying tournament during the summer of odd numbered years.

An even better option might to have a European League with first, second, maybe even third division, with relegation and promotion and a cup competition. That should replace CL and national leagues and cups for the participating teams. The lower levels can still be played nationally and the winners get promoted to the Euro League lowest division. That would be the best for Juve but it's not hapenning.

Sure, you can hope that, but I don't see UEFA administrating a competition between the real top teams in the continent, because they'd have to admit that 45 of the 55 member countries don't produce a single team worthy of that competition, even if they expand it to 36 teams.

 

[Post Ironic]

All the crying about a closed league being “terrible”

That’s exactly why top flight European football is so much more competitive than all those “glorified friendly” N American professional leagues.

Oh wait, it isn’t. And it’s not close.

 

[Juliano13]

Sure, you can hope that, but I don't see UEFA administrating a competition between the real top teams in the continent, because they'd have to admit that 45 of the 55 member countries don't produce a single team worthy of that competition, even if they expand it to 36 teams.

I never said UEFA should be administering it. I don't care who administers it as long as it's done properly.

 

[Juliano13]

All the crying about a closed league being “terrible”

That’s exactly why top flight European football is so much more competitive than all those “glorified friendly” N American professional leagues.

Oh wait, it isn’t. And it’s not close.

You should try to turn your brain on instead being ecstatic that we and a few other teams have decided we are better than teams that actually beat us on the pitch.

 

[Post Ironic]

You should try to turn your brain on instead being ecstatic that we and a few other teams have decided we are better than teams that actually beat us on the pitch.

Ahh yes. Because Atalanta beat us on the pitch in Serie A for the first time in a decade they are better than us.

You should turn on your brain and realize that any model where top clubs stand to lose ~100 million by missing out on CL for a season isn’t sustainable nor is it stable.

But hey, closed competition is bad because you say so!

 

[Bianconero_Aus]

Guys guys, the superleague is morally reprehensible and will kill off football and the game will die

I know this because intellectual heavyweights like Jamie Carragher, Gary Neville and Gary “Shit my pants in the middle of a match” Lineker told me so.

 

[Strickland]

I never said UEFA should be administering it. I don't care who administers it as long as it's done properly.

You can't have a reform without anyone being able to carry it out. The choice in theory (as far as my imagination goes) is between a CL administered by UEFA, a FIFA format with teams from all over the world (possibly even more retarded than CL imo), top leagues teaming up (and receiving the same amount of backlash and crying from UEFA, Norwegian league, etc) or ESL administered by a self regulated body of top clubs.

All of these will have their own interest at heart and none of these can offer the ideal and fair product, so you can stop hoping for that. Is the ESL ideal? No. Is it better than current CL / reformed CL? By a country mile.

 

[JCK]

Guys guys, the superleague is morally reprehensible and will kill off football and the game will die

I know this because intellectual heavyweights like Jamie Carraghee, Gary Neville and Gary “Shit my pants in the middle of a match” told me so.

Don't forget Stahre Solbakken and Bastian Pigslayer

 

[Juliano13]

Ahh yes. Because Atalanta beat us on the pitch in Serie A for the first time in a decade they are better than us.

You should turn on your brain and realize that any model where top clubs stand to lose ~100 million by missing out on CL for a season isn’t sustainable nor is it stable.

But hey, closed competition is bad because you say so!

Of course they are better than us if they finish above us in the league and beat us. What do results from the last decade have to do with it.

In the Olympics they give the gold medal in 100m to the guy who runs the final fastest. Not to the guy who holds the record or had the best average in the last 5 years. That's how sport works.

If a club like Juve can't finish top 4 in Serie A, it's due to their own incompetence and they deserve to lose CL money.

It's obvious why closed competition is bad. I don't understand what you are so happy about. And you need to read a little bit about the history of American sport to understand why this is a false analogy.

 

[Strickland]

Of course they are better than us if they finish above us in the league and beat us. What do results from the last decade have to do with it.

In the Olympics they give the gold medal in 100m to the guy who runs the final fastest. Not to the guy who holds the record or had the best average in the last 5 years. That's how sport works.

If a club like Juve can't finish top 4 in Serie A, it's due to their own incompetence and they deserve to lose CL money.

It's obvious why closed competition is bad. I don't understand what you are so happy about. And you need to read a little bit about the history of American sport to understand why this is a false analogy.

At this point all clubs are losing CL money because UEFA can't come up with a good product. And the planned reforms show that nothing is going to change in future as well.

 

[PhRoZeN]

Except one of them is merda.

Agnelli should have invited Roma or Lazio instead then. It's just interesting to see how they are removing rivalries from there, atleast at a presedential and diplomatic level. Like Perez talking well of Barca and how they need this superleague etc. Just a bit weird to see.

 

[Post Ironic]

Of course they are better than us if they finish above us in the league and beat us. What do results from the last decade have to do with it.

In the Olympics they give the gold medal in 100m to the guy who runs the final fastest. Not to the guy who holds the record or had the best average in the last 5 years. That's how sport works.

If a club like Juve can't finish top 4 in Serie A, it's due to their own incompetence and they deserve to lose CL money.

It's obvious why closed competition is bad. I don't understand what you are so happy about. And you need to read a little bit about the history of American sport to understand why this is a false analogy.

False analogy. Oh please. What a joker.

It’s bad because you don’t like it. Simple. That’s your opinion. The top revenue producing clubs clearly don’t think it’s bad. N American sports leagues clearly don’t think it’s bad. But you do, so

And no, after a decade of dominance and winning the league every single season, usually by a large margin, a single shitty season doesn’t mean a club deserves to be dealt a big ass financial blow. There’s too much money involved in the sport now, and this was always going to be the place the sport was pushed to by that. Losing 10-20% of your revenue because of a single bad season isn’t ever going to work in the modern professional sports world.

 

[Juliano13]

False analogy. Oh please. What a joker.

It’s bad because you don’t like it. Simple. That’s your opinion. The top revenue producing clubs clearly don’t think it’s bad. N American sports leagues clearly don’t think it’s bad. But you do, so

And no, after a decade of dominance and winning the league every single season, usually by a large margin, a single shitty season doesn’t mean a club deserves to be dealt a big ass financial blow. There’s too much money involved in the sport now, and this was always going to be the place the sport was pushed to by that. Losing 10-20% of your revenue because of a single bad season isn’t ever going to work in the modern professional sports world.

It is a false analogy and I will explain when I have the time. You still didn't answer why you like this garbage. You seem more interested in how much money the teams are making than in the actual football.

 

[Post Ironic]

It is a false analogy and I will explain when I have the time. You still didn't answer why you like this garbage. You seem more interested in how much money the teams are making than in the actual football.

The actual football? You mean the shit product we see on the field in Serie A every single year? In CL group stage every single year? Yeah, football is really great.

I watch it because I love the game. But it’s absolutely the poorest organized, the least competitive, and most broken of any of the major sports, the vast majority of teams in top flight suck ass because of talent saturation, and majority of games are a joke to watch.

Garbage. Good joke. The current product is garbage and that’s about it.

Maybe now we’ll actually get to watch meaningful matches against top teams on the regular.

 

[Juve92]

@Juve92

Ståle Solbakken clueless idiot.

 

[Elvin]

It's not lending anything until it happens. Did you check the Juve official statement? They can't guarantee it will happen. We are the only ones saying that because only we wre a public company.

Just because they expected backlash doesn't mean they expected this much backlash. We'll see what happens.

At this point I hope some kind of compromise will be reached where they say 6 EPL, 4 Bundesliga, Serie A and La Liga teams, 2 Ligue 1, 1 Dutch and 1 Portuguese teams qualify based on domestic league position and the rest of the European top division champions play qualifications for 6-8 more places.

Scrap FFP completely and replace it with salary caps/ wage bill caps, transfer fee caps or just swaps and so on.

Decrease the number of domestic league games significantly. Get rid of the domestic cups.

Eliminate all international breaks. Maybe play a short one month qualifiying tournament during the summer of odd numbered years.

An even better option might to have a European League with first, second, maybe even third division, with relegation and promotion and a cup competition. That should replace CL and national leagues and cups for the participating teams. The lower levels can still be played nationally and the winners get promoted to the Euro League lowest division. That would be the best for Juve but it's not hapenning.

That statement was given purely for judicial reasons.

SL is happening. Deal with it.

 

[Mokku]

Bayern and PSG are out so they will be the best destination for the likes of Ronaldo who have world cup ambitions.

 

[Akshen]

dunno if it was written here, but Perez also said that today Agnelli and Laporta will speak to the media. Agnelli will probably be biggest source of info, since he imo knows the most technical things about this league and is probably the one who designed the whole thing. So we should know much more today, also how desperate the clubs are to run it already from the next season.

 

[Post Ironic]

That statement was given purely for judicial reasons.

SL is happening. Deal with it.

Shhh. Don’t burst his angry little bubble.