The Senility of Juventus and the Need for Success (5 Viewers)

IrishZebra

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Jun 18, 2006
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Youth or Expensive Experience?



I'll try to keep this gripe-fest as brief as possible. If you want feel free to read just the bolded parts

We are all aware that this football club is still struggling to recover after the sharpest of declines that began almost 4 years ago. Our Bord of Directors for the most part are woefully incompitent, the holding company that owns the Club has little interest in bankrolling the failure that it has helped perpetuate and our team is 50% decrepit and 50% untalented. Of course that bald grandfather between the goalposts is a prime example of this. It's common knowledge that our youth is under-used and under-appreciated, our back-ups are Lecce-esque and a fair few of our first choice XI are either too old or incompitent (read Legrotaglie).

My point is this;

We desperately need to replace almost our entire team (if we include the back-ups in the %).

Defence

Cannavaro played a blinder against Siena for the most part but he is far too old, this is his swansong. Brazzo is nowhere near good enough to go anywhere near our first team. Grosso and PDC are apparently World Class players, I must have been on holiday when this happened. Zebina is just too damn injury prone to be kept on and Legrotaglie belongs at a club like Brescia, as a security guard. Zedenek Grygera may Boumsong look like Chiellini. I could go on but there's no point.

Midefield
I'd just like to point out that Felipe Melo is the only Box-to-Box Midfielder that I've ever seen that is terrified of running with a football. Perhaps his remit should be changed to a 'one end of centre circle to the halfway line' midfielder.

We have nobody he that can deliver a killer long pass.

Otherwise it's impropper use of the talent available, the Chemo-Kid for example.

Attack
Too old, Too Slow, Too Lazy, Too Selfish. Take your pick but all of our forwards have at least one serious flaw and their careers are winding down for certain.


We need success but we need a new team of players. Is it possible to have another three seasons of poor performance by buying big names one or two at a time.

OR

We could use our youth players (the best ones) and buy in younger ones from other European clubs.

So what's it going to be, a vibrant soon to peak Juventus or an peaked and fading personification of the death of Calicio?

Edit:The pictures aren't a we've doomed, they're representative of the two different options



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Immediate or Medium Term Success, Discuss
 

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Eddy

The Maestro
Aug 20, 2005
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There is no "immediate" success anymore with this club. It just got back from Serie B, replaced it's coach last year with one that's never coached before, changed it's style of play from 4-4-2 to 4-3-1-2, with a new president that doesn't have the slightest clue of what football is.

I'm not surprised why we are at where we are tbh.
 

Bozi

The Bozman
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Oct 18, 2005
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yeah a threads title can lead to a 37% increase in the likelihood that you will return a post in there


really was very clever,now if he had called it "WE'RE DOOOOOMED" i might have missed his pearls of wisdom
 
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IrishZebra

IrishZebra

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    :eek: Wow this is all brand new information to me,thanks for pointing all of this out to us
    I really hope you are not serious about this part.

    Btw we don't need a we're doomed thread after every game we don't win, this shit is getting old.
    Nothing that hasn't been said before.
    I was trying to ascertain as to what course of action people that would be best, the semi-galactico or semi-arsenal choice and wether people thought which purchasing strategy would yeild the quickest results and the best prospects. I really missed how some posters here latch on the certain parts of a post and write the rest of it off. Common courtesy regin supreme around here alright.


    Yes you're right Curr, it is common knowledge, maybe I should have alluded to that in my post, oh yes that's right I did. Twice.
     

    X Æ A-12

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    I really missed how some posters here latch on the certain parts of a post and write the rest of it off. Common courtesy regin supreme around here alright.
    If this is a shot at my response to your comment about playing the youngsters than it doesn't make sense because I dumped on the idea of this thread as a whole as well.

    I singled that bit out because it is one of the worst ideas I hear constantly perpetrated around this forum and I was surprised to see that you were part of that crowd so I asked if you were serious or not.

    IMO dropping experienced world class stars for promising 20 year olds is on the level of suggesting a formation because it works well for your Juventus team in FIFA10 .
     
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    IrishZebra

    IrishZebra

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    If this is a shot at my response to your comment about playing the youngsters than it doesn't make sense because I dumped on the idea of this thread as a whole as well.

    I singled that bit out because it is one of the worst ideas I hear constantly perpetrated around this forum and I was surprised to see that you were part of that crowd so I asked if you were serious or not.

    IMO dropping experienced world class stars for promising 20 year olds is on the level of suggesting a formation because it works well for your Juventus team in FIFA10 .
    It was a general statement but I stand by my point. Your post at least signified that you read it.

    I take it then that you don't think the gaps should be filled by our youth products or purchased youngster then?

    Can I assume futher that you would want us to by for example Rafinha over Berg or somebody like Mexes over Kjaer?
     

    X Æ A-12

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    It was a general statement but I stand by my point. Your post at least signified that you read it.

    I take it then that you don't think the gaps should be filled by our youth products or purchased youngster then?

    Can I assume futher that you would want us to by for example Rafinha over Berg or somebody like Mexes over Kjaer?
    No, I would prefer to look at the players as individuals instead of signing them based on age, whether they be old or young.

    I'm not against signing young players who have top level experience but I don't see any logic when this team fails to win and posters here suggest throwing primavera players into the starting eleven.
     
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    IrishZebra

    IrishZebra

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    No, I would prefer to look at the players as individuals instead of signing them based on age, whether they be old or young.

    I'm not against signing young players who have top level experience but I don't see any logic when this team fails to win and posters here suggest throwing primavera players into the starting eleven.
    I never suggested that.


    I was wondering what approach people thought would be best in the transfer market. The spend less money on a long-term youth oreinted policy or buy in fully formed professionals and go for success in the short (2-3 years) term.
     

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