The one and only Capello thread (4 Viewers)

[Jem83]

no, sorry, not even kant would help here...

what do you know about Kant, if I dare to ask?

Go on, google up some shit

 

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[flieeeekke]

so is my 14 year old sister

and by the way: football is not played on paper

We have a lot of players who're still good but very much past their best, Nedved and Thuram for instance

Barcelona would beat us because they have that mixture of youth and experience set up so fucking splendidly

bingo, here's when manager gets into play!

 

[flieeeekke]

what do you know about Kant, if I dare to ask?

Go on, google up some shit

what do you know about sarcasm, if i dare to ask?

:toast:

 

[Stu]

Capello could join Inter this summer! SWEET!

 

[Jem83]

bingo, here's when manager gets into play!

buying players (which is what you do on CM) is not enough

placing players in a formation (which you do on CM) is not enough

you will never understand what I'm trying to say before you gain some insight into what goes on at training grounds and one on one between players and staff, in clubs all around the world

this discussion is pointless

it's like explaining fysics to a baby

 

[flieeeekke]

buying players (which is what you do on CM) is not enough

placing players in a formation (which you do on CM) is not enough

you will never understand what I'm trying to say before you gain some insight into what goes on at training grounds and one on one between players and staff, in clubs all around the world

this discussion is pointless

it's like explaining fysics to a baby

how cm has to got anything to do with this?

maybe i havent witnessed any training sessions of big teams, therefore i cant show you my pictures, but when teams fails to perform manager is to blame. if the things you mentioned arent enough whose responsibility is to do the rest?

 

[flieeeekke]

so is my 14 year old sister

and by the way: football is not played on paper

We have a lot of players who're still good but very much past their best, Nedved and Thuram for instance

Barcelona would beat us because they have that mixture of youth and experience set up so fucking splendidly

and how convenient is to leave the rest of the post out umpkin:

 

[Jem83]

how cm has to got anything to do with this?

maybe i havent witnessed any training sessions of big teams, therefore i cant show you my pictures, but when teams fails to perform manager is to blame. if the things you mentioned arent enough whose responsibility is to do the rest?

if winning the Serie-A is your definition of "not performing" then we can never reach an agreement

about CM: It has been brought up during these discussions constantly, and what I wish to say to all you CM/FM players:

the tactical side is one thing

keep in mind the SOCIAL aspects of the day to day running of a football club

 

[Stephan]

I thought thsi thread was about don fabio, but instead i found some kants and FM-s talk.

seems you are going way offtopic

 

[Jem83]

hehe sorry Stephan

but lawyers, for instance, must pull different examples into the equations sometimes

 

[Jem83]

and how convenient is to leave the rest of the post out umpkin:

I didn't leave the rest of your post out

pay attention

the "rest of your post" was a comparison between Juve and Barcelona and I responded to that

 

[Stephan]

Read my post on 'human relations', my apologies if you don't find the term sufficient, but I'm sure you know what I'm talking about.

How can I prove what Capello says and how he conducts himself on the training ground and face to face with the players?

It's impossible

You'll just have to take my word for it that these things are important when you want to bring the best out of your squad.

I've witnessed a few top club training sessions in my life (and if you doubt this, I have photos to prove it) and what goes on during training in terms of morale and 'respect' for the people in your working environment is what actually makes a player perform or not perform to the best of his abilities.

The combination of a good tactic (the science part, which is the only part of the game CM/FM covers adequately) and great team morale (which I believe Capello is good at, because we've won a terrifying amount of games under his leadership)
is striking and it's what you need to win championships.
Put that in your pipe and smoke it

well the team morale hasnt looked good since arsenal first leg when we lost two players with red cards. and already before that capello made a very weird move with camoranesi when he subs him in and then out some minutes later(wasting another subs move because of that) though there was nothing wrong with camoranesi condition. That made camoranesi angry, yes he overreacted but there was something between them.

Also what about that ibra-vieira training thing, maybe it was just a rumour, but maybe not.

I just dissagree about cap giving good team morale. heck recently it seems players dont have morale at all, no desire, just standings, not moving, i am not talking about stats here, just look how we played in seria a.

So how he gives team a good morale if he treats his players differantly, camo and dp get differant treatment than zlatan for example.

 

[Stephan]

Capello threw Camoranesi straight back into the starting lineup after serving a 2 match ban, and that's a sign of FAITH being shown in the player.

And the player responded

As for the Vieira/Ibra incidents, I'm sure it was due to overexcitement and tension and pressure to do well.
These things happen in these sort of environments.

What has been the results of the Vieira/Ibra incidents?

Vieira has played VERY WELL ever since

and Ibra has worked even harder and finally managed to grab himself a goal

Why?

Some of the reason is that we have a good manager who dealt with the situation

disagree, we just dont have other options, camo is our best winger and only winger. (yes you might say we have mutu, but camo is our best assist man)

and this vieira/ibra incident, you are saying as this incident actually helped, like lets make more those kind of incidents and they will help. But thats not all, just look zlatan, if his out of form, still starts, game after game his too lazy, not running for the ball and etc, nothing changes. Yeah lets say its that 2 season problem, but the entire season problem is that, where is the improvement, players can imrove through out the season. To show that desire to improve atleast, but ibra doesnt so that. Do you really think his gona be totally differant player next season, just because his second season got over now.

Also add "capello finishing trainings" (remember the news) and still he didnt score about 2 months till last week he finally scored, and when he now scored its like good managment lol, what about his finishing trainings, what the heck cap and zlatan really did in that training?

 

[Jem83]

I didnt say these incidents help

please pay attention

I said how the management and the players reacted to it was good

 

[Jem83]

criticizing the coach when we're winning the league makes me feel ashamed of you

i've spoken to other groups of fans about it and it's disgusting

 

[Stephan]

I didnt say these incidents help

please pay attention

I said how the management and the players reacted to it was good

you sayd: As for the Vieira/Ibra incidents, I'm sure it was due to overexcitement and tension and pressure to do well.
These things happen in these sort of environments.

What has been the results of the Vieira/Ibra incidents?

Vieira has played VERY WELL ever since

and Ibra has worked even harder and finally managed to grab himself a goal

that is your conclusion: fight-result-player in the fight has played well

 

[Jem83]

Haven't you heard the conclusion is the most important part of an argument?

 

[Jem83]

What has been the results of the Vieira/Ibra incidents?

Vieira has played VERY WELL ever since

and Ibra has worked even harder and finally managed to grab himself a goal

Why?

Some of the reason is that we have a good manager who dealt with the situation

 

[Stephan]

Haven't you heard the conclusion is the most important part of an argument?

yes but what i am saying is that having a fight is something what should not be related with Old Lady.

your saying good managment. but why even this fight happened? WHY? yeah you probably say they are humans, but they are supposed to be united and be on the same side. Again tension in our team, like camoranesi problem. And IF CAMO DIDNT PLAY because of ban, then ibra plays always, what ever he does he always starts.

 

[Jem83]

yes but what i am saying is that having a fight is something what should not be related with Old Lady.

your saying good managment. but why even this fight happened? WHY? yeah you probably say they are humans, but they are supposed to be united and be on the same side.

Stephan...

My friend..

They ARE on the same side

Have you never been in a fistfight with your best friend before?

I have

It's because I'm outspoken and competitive and so was he

We're the best of friends now

I'm sure Vieira and Ibrahimovic are, too

These things definately happen, and when it did at Juventus, the players and the management dealt with it superbly, and now both players are playing even better than before..

This was not due to the fight itself but it has something to do with how it was handled by the club, internally

and Capello, has played his part here