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Hammer wants to stay and said he'll take a pay cut and I agree with the stay at home D. A guy that can play the minutes and defend himself and especially PK. 
Markov loves Montreal and I'm pretty sure they want to keep him. The problem is the knee. Let's see if he can accept and 1 year deal and then we'll see.
Markov loves Montreal and I'm pretty sure they want to keep him. The problem is the knee. Let's see if he can accept and 1 year deal and then we'll see.
I had family staying with me for awhile, and things have been busy, so I haven't had time to address all of the madness in this thread. However they're gone now, so here are some thoughts...
Chara's hand rises during his follow through, so I wouldn't have been surprised if he had been suspended for a couple games - he makes contact with his head, and the rules aren't always well defined; I do think that the freeze frame makes it look intentional, and I really don't think it was.
It was clearly a late hit, it's interference. I know everybody hates Chara, and probably did before the hit (actually, I disliked Chara when he played for Ottawa), but the guy isn't a dirty player. Zero suspensions in 13 seasons or so is noteworthy - the guy is a physical monster, and if he were a dirty player, there would be a list of casualties.
I totally disagree that this was premeditated. The play unfolded in two Chara strides - Pacioretty chipped and was trying to slip past Z, who finished his check.
Would he want to hit Pacioretty hard? Damn fucking straight, every time he's on the ice. When someone does something you don't like (specifically, gives you a little cross check shove after scoring an OT winner), you take a number. That doesn't mean this specific situation is premeditated. Players are 'taking numbers' every single game - I used to do it when I was 12.
Premeditation requires conscious thought; I highly doubt that Chara had time to think to himself 'If this angle and timing works out right, I'm going to drive this kids head into the stanchion'.
This is silly. First of all, Campbell doesn't rule on Boston Bruin discipline issues. Other than Z, I can think of one incident with Lucic that maybe should have been looked at (Got his stick up on that piece of shit Lapierre). Where's the proof that Boston gets off light? I've heard a few people make the superficial point to point connection - including ex-Bruin Joe Thornton. Honestly Sergio, do you have some specific incidents in mind that I've missed? Because I don't see this at all.
Paille, a first time offender, got 4 games for his blindside hit - which at the time was the longest suspension for a hit of that nature. Marchand got 2 deserved games the other day.
I get tired when a theme comes up in the media, and gets endlessly recycled without any any specific examples. I haven't watched 80+ Bruins games this year - as I did last - but I stay apprised of the goings on. I'm still pretty damn dedicated.
I don't even know what this means. Are you talking about management saying that it was a 'solid hockey play'? Because they're talking about sealing the man on that play; if Pacioretty gets past Chara, he's on a breakaway; taking an interference penalty to prevent a breakaway is a 'good' penalty.
Thank goodness it wasn't grade 3. That's what Bergy had...
The two quotes calling for some sort of vengeance on Bergeron are pathetic. Here's a player who already missed more than a year with concussion issues, stemming from a grade 3 concussion - where he basically almost died on the ice. Bergeron is all class and character, plays the right way, has helped win gold medals for our country at multiple levels and you want somebody to take him out?
You stay classy, Mark. Jesus.
I've seen that similar events to the 'Bertuzzi punch' happen in many different situations where there were no consequences. In the actual Bertuzzi punch, there's the pile driving effect, and the players all piling on afterwards.
Similarly, I've seen guys get hit into the stanchion many times, and checks finished where the hands slide up into the head area on the follow through... and I've seen them usually go unpunished.
Bertuzzi got what he got because the intent was so flagrantly obvious - he tried to engage the player who declined, then followed him a few strides, then punched him in the back of the head AND drove him into the ice.
Clearly that's an easier play to suspend, especially because of the consequences.
Also Andy, you mention here the speed that the game is played at - which is obviously very important when discussing intent, which is at the heart of the Chara issue.
I'm done speaking to the intent topic, but...
I honestly DO believe that environment is a MAJOR issue. The crazy strong polymers they're using in elbow/shoulder pads, that are ridiculously hard and all but bulletproof are an issue. Seamless glass, like in Montreal - glass that doesn't give - is a big issue (Has been for awhile, and the players fucking hate it). The design and poor padding on those stanchions is an issue.
Montreal should definitely hide his skates. Give him the full offseason to continually reassess his condition, and be very cautious. He's young and full of piss and vinegar... I'm sure he's dying to get back on the ice.
I don't care if you hate Chara, you clearly have GOT to understand the massive difference here. Matt Cooke is, quite literally, the ultimate scum of the league. Repeat offender, specifically for head shots, dangerous player. Scum.
43 year old Mark Recchi would chew you up, and spit you out.
Seriously though, he didn't say that Pacioretty faked anything. He said that the Montreal organization embellished the severity of the concussion. Call it what you want, but they certainly misdiagnosed it. If you have a concussion anywhere close to that severity, going to a public theater, dark room, bright lights, loud noises 4 days later? Not happening for a victim of a grade 2 (or greater) concussion.
He's also speaking to the larger picture, and that ridiculously self serving letter penned by ownership; then you have the overzealous Canadiens' fan who was abusing his position of power by trying to have Zdeno charged (minister of safety? what was his exact title again? I can't remember).
Chara's hand rises during his follow through, so I wouldn't have been surprised if he had been suspended for a couple games - he makes contact with his head, and the rules aren't always well defined; I do think that the freeze frame makes it look intentional, and I really don't think it was.
It was clearly a late hit, it's interference. I know everybody hates Chara, and probably did before the hit (actually, I disliked Chara when he played for Ottawa), but the guy isn't a dirty player. Zero suspensions in 13 seasons or so is noteworthy - the guy is a physical monster, and if he were a dirty player, there would be a list of casualties.
I totally disagree that this was premeditated. The play unfolded in two Chara strides - Pacioretty chipped and was trying to slip past Z, who finished his check.
Would he want to hit Pacioretty hard? Damn fucking straight, every time he's on the ice. When someone does something you don't like (specifically, gives you a little cross check shove after scoring an OT winner), you take a number. That doesn't mean this specific situation is premeditated. Players are 'taking numbers' every single game - I used to do it when I was 12.
Premeditation requires conscious thought; I highly doubt that Chara had time to think to himself 'If this angle and timing works out right, I'm going to drive this kids head into the stanchion'.
This is silly. First of all, Campbell doesn't rule on Boston Bruin discipline issues. Other than Z, I can think of one incident with Lucic that maybe should have been looked at (Got his stick up on that piece of shit Lapierre). Where's the proof that Boston gets off light? I've heard a few people make the superficial point to point connection - including ex-Bruin Joe Thornton. Honestly Sergio, do you have some specific incidents in mind that I've missed? Because I don't see this at all.
Paille, a first time offender, got 4 games for his blindside hit - which at the time was the longest suspension for a hit of that nature. Marchand got 2 deserved games the other day.
I get tired when a theme comes up in the media, and gets endlessly recycled without any any specific examples. I haven't watched 80+ Bruins games this year - as I did last - but I stay apprised of the goings on. I'm still pretty damn dedicated.
I don't even know what this means. Are you talking about management saying that it was a 'solid hockey play'? Because they're talking about sealing the man on that play; if Pacioretty gets past Chara, he's on a breakaway; taking an interference penalty to prevent a breakaway is a 'good' penalty.
Thank goodness it wasn't grade 3. That's what Bergy had...
possibility of a neck fracture. 
THAT BIG PIECE OF SHIT!!!
Watch out Bergeron next game, watch the f*ck out! You take out one of our best players, we'll do the same.
THAT BIG PIECE OF SHIT!!!
Watch out Bergeron next game, watch the f*ck out! You take out one of our best players, we'll do the same.
You stay classy, Mark. Jesus.
I've seen that similar events to the 'Bertuzzi punch' happen in many different situations where there were no consequences. In the actual Bertuzzi punch, there's the pile driving effect, and the players all piling on afterwards.
Similarly, I've seen guys get hit into the stanchion many times, and checks finished where the hands slide up into the head area on the follow through... and I've seen them usually go unpunished.
Bertuzzi got what he got because the intent was so flagrantly obvious - he tried to engage the player who declined, then followed him a few strides, then punched him in the back of the head AND drove him into the ice.
Clearly that's an easier play to suspend, especially because of the consequences.
Also Andy, you mention here the speed that the game is played at - which is obviously very important when discussing intent, which is at the heart of the Chara issue.
I'm done speaking to the intent topic, but...
I honestly DO believe that environment is a MAJOR issue. The crazy strong polymers they're using in elbow/shoulder pads, that are ridiculously hard and all but bulletproof are an issue. Seamless glass, like in Montreal - glass that doesn't give - is a big issue (Has been for awhile, and the players fucking hate it). The design and poor padding on those stanchions is an issue.
Montreal should definitely hide his skates. Give him the full offseason to continually reassess his condition, and be very cautious. He's young and full of piss and vinegar... I'm sure he's dying to get back on the ice.
I don't care if you hate Chara, you clearly have GOT to understand the massive difference here. Matt Cooke is, quite literally, the ultimate scum of the league. Repeat offender, specifically for head shots, dangerous player. Scum.
43 year old Mark Recchi would chew you up, and spit you out.
Seriously though, he didn't say that Pacioretty faked anything. He said that the Montreal organization embellished the severity of the concussion. Call it what you want, but they certainly misdiagnosed it. If you have a concussion anywhere close to that severity, going to a public theater, dark room, bright lights, loud noises 4 days later? Not happening for a victim of a grade 2 (or greater) concussion.
He's also speaking to the larger picture, and that ridiculously self serving letter penned by ownership; then you have the overzealous Canadiens' fan who was abusing his position of power by trying to have Zdeno charged (minister of safety? what was his exact title again? I can't remember).
You think so? There are only a couple instances here where I'm intentionally trying to be inflammatory... towards the end.
Everyone is entitled to their opinion... mine obviously differs from most of the members in this thread.
I don't have time to stick around right now, but I'm very interested in specific feedback.
Nah, you were drawing knives when knives had already been drawn by the opposition, so fair game. I'm anticipating a heated response from the Habs fans here. You're so west coast and incapable of dishing insults.
I'll say it again: no one can measure intent and I highly doubt Chara intended to do this. I do understand what you're saying, Rollie. If that hit happened anywhere else on the ice, it might have been "fine". However, I still think it was Chara's mistake to finish his check there, though, and I think it's ridiculous to pit it solely on the environment.
I'll say it again: no one can measure intent and I highly doubt Chara intended to do this. I do understand what you're saying, Rollie. If that hit happened anywhere else on the ice, it might have been "fine". However, I still think it was Chara's mistake to finish his check there, though, and I think it's ridiculous to pit it solely on the environment.