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So sergio, do you think Riley will blow it up this summer if the heat don't win it all. ??
So sergio, do you think Riley will blow it up this summer if the heat don't win it all. ??
Riley can't blow this up, for the reason, possibly the sole reason, is that his ego will not allow it to happen. A lot of people thought that this combination of players was going to be a big issue when the team was put together. You bring three all stars together, 2 of them whom could be considered as franchise players, and you are asking them to play with one ball.
Wade doesn't seem all that willing at this point to defer to Lebron. Nor should he have had to, in my opinion. This guy was already an elite player and led a team to an NBA title before Lebron got there. And these guys are all young, and still in their prime, adn will continue to be for the next 3-4 years.
Let's take a couple of different situations here as examples.
The Celtics, for instance. When the big three was put together, you had three players who were all-stars, yet starting to be at the end of their prime in 2008. They also had zero rings between them. The hunger was there for a championship, and they have a coach who instilled upon them the sense of teamwork and sacrifice that was needed in order to accomplish their goal. Their mission was accomplished in winning a title, and they could very well win another one. A team who is coached by an individual whom I regard as one of the top 2 coaches in the league along with Popovic. This will be it for them. Boom or Bust. If they don't win it this year, then the Celtics will probably let Garnett and Allen walk. And that's fine. The Celtics got everything they could have bargained for and more.
Now, here is a different scenario.
The Lakers.
Shaq and kobe both came to the Lakers in 1996. Shaw was the most dominant player in the league, and Kobe was a rookie. There were some pieces around them at the time (E. Jones, Ceballos, E. Campbell, Horry, Fisher as a rookie), but it wasn't enough, not even close for several years before the team was a championship contender. During the years of 1996-2000, Shaq maintained his level of dominance while Kobe was quickly rising to the ranks of the NBA Elite. They knew what was going to happen eventually. It would turn into a struggle for Alpha Dog status unless they brought in a coach who could handle this. Enter Phil jackson. The rest is history during his first run as coach, winning 3 NBA titles, but eventually that would have to come to an end, as both players were simply too good to defer to one another, while they were still in their prime, with Kobe not even reaching his prime yet. Lakers v 1.0 was dismantled with the Shaq trade to miami. It then took several years of ineptitude until Bynum was drafted, and Gasol, along with other complimentary pieces were put into place. Lakers v 2.0 was born, and brought about 2 more titles. They are currently in a state of having to restructure everything this coming season and beyond.
Both of these instances required that players sacrificed for one another in order to achieve a common goal. Hell, even Kobe Bryant did it to a smaller degree the second time around.
I don't see that with the heat. they don't have the right coach in place. There isn't a coach out there who is available that can put this together, unless they somehow get 67 year old Phil Jackson out of retirement. The heat have too many egos right now, and it is killing them.
Even if what is you said is right, doesn't mean that Riley couldn't and wouldn't trade one or two of his big three, he's still old school and i could see him weighing offers this summer, Bosh could be the odd man out for someone like D12, Lebron is still the best player in the NBA and really don't make since to trade him, and Dwade is popular in Miami and the Franchise owe him their first ring and owe him too for talking Lebron and CB to come to south beach.
I don't agree with you here, when their team was put together, everybody was talking about how dominant they would be and how the league is screwed because Miamii will win for the next 5 years.
It was clear afterwards that the pieces don't fit together not because of Egos, Wade and LBJ are best buds and even if they don't show it they want to win, the real problem was that Miami pieces aren't fitting, You have LBJ and Wade who are similar players and like to handle the ball all the time so they became redundant, and you have bosh who's eventough is a big man still like to play outside on the perimiter.
In the regular season they dominate games because let's face lebron alone is enough against 60% of the league but in the playoffs when the competition tighten up and the game slows down, the find it hard to win games and doesn't help that their coach can't set up an offense and the only offensive play in his playbook is the screen and roll.
The Celtics big three were really a dream fit, You have an iso player in Pierce, a Post presence and a defensive anchor in KG, and a 3points specialist who don't need the ball in his hands and will move around screens to create space for his shot, and then you have a floor general in Rondo, a smart point guard who'll always make the right play and he'll always look to set up his teammates. That's the perfect set up for any team.
I don't agree with you Assessement about Doc being a great coach, i think he's a great motivator, speech giver but he's still lacks in the X's and 0's, His system was in a huge part due to Tim Thibideau who was part of his staff that year.
Yeah, the Lakers had the greatest 1/2 punch of all time maybe with the most dominant Center ever in Shaq and great perimeter player in Kobe, Yeah they needed Phil to keep everyone in his place and they won the 3peat, but after the Spurs and Detroit made an end to that Dominance the problemes surfaced and Kobe drove Shaq out of town. But Kobe and Shaq fit together unlike Wade and Lebron.
The Second run of the Lakers under PJ was all due to Pau being handed in a plat for the Lakers by Jerry west then the GM of the Grizzlies for Kwame ( bust) and Marc Gazol ( then unkown playing in the spanish league), luckily for Memphis he turned to be a good player.
I don't agree with you here, when their team was put together, everybody was talking about how dominant they would be and how the league is screwed because Miamii will win for the next 5 years.
It was clear afterwards that the pieces don't fit together not because of Egos, Wade and LBJ are best buds and even if they don't show it they want to win, the real problem was that Miami pieces aren't fitting, You have LBJ and Wade who are similar players and like to handle the ball all the time so they became redundant, and you have bosh who's eventough is a big man still like to play outside on the perimiter.
In the regular season they dominate games because let's face lebron alone is enough against 60% of the league but in the playoffs when the competition tighten up and the game slows down, the find it hard to win games and doesn't help that their coach can't set up an offense and the only offensive play in his playbook is the screen and roll.
The Celtics big three were really a dream fit, You have an iso player in Pierce, a Post presence and a defensive anchor in KG, and a 3points specialist who don't need the ball in his hands and will move around screens to create space for his shot, and then you have a floor general in Rondo, a smart point guard who'll always make the right play and he'll always look to set up his teammates. That's the perfect set up for any team.
I don't agree with you Assessement about Doc being a great coach, i think he's a great motivator, speech giver but he's still lacks in the X's and 0's, His system was in a huge part due to Tim Thibideau who was part of his staff that year.
Yeah, the Lakers had the greatest 1/2 punch of all time maybe with the most dominant Center ever in Shaq and great perimeter player in Kobe, Yeah they needed Phil to keep everyone in his place and they won the 3peat, but after the Spurs and Detroit made an end to that Dominance the problemes surfaced and Kobe drove Shaq out of town. But Kobe and Shaq fit together unlike Wade and Lebron.
The Second run of the Lakers under PJ was all due to Pau being handed in a plat for the Lakers by Jerry west then the GM of the Grizzlies for Kwame ( bust) and Marc Gazol ( then unkown playing in the spanish league), luckily for Memphis he turned to be a good player.
And that's what's so good about OKC, they don't have egos like Kobe, Shaq etc., they just play hard.
Durant will get his ring before LeBron does and this OKC team will win many titles if they can keep them together, they're the new Spurs.
Durant will get his ring before LeBron does and this OKC team will win many titles if they can keep them together, they're the new Spurs.
OKC is great upcoming team tough and Durant is a fucking beast.
It won't be easy for OKC to keep Harden and Ibaka, but if Harden or Ibaka does leave, I believe that Sam Presti will come up with something good again. It's really amazing how he turned that franchise around so quickly and build such a talented young but mature team. Almost all of their lottery picks and trades have been really good.
And yeah, Iverson was a monster and one of my favorite players back in the day, but he also had an ego and never really learned how to sacrifice himself for the team.
And yeah, Iverson was a monster and one of my favorite players back in the day, but he also had an ego and never really learned how to sacrifice himself for the team.