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zizinho

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Apr 14, 2013
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Of course we have the room. How do we not have the room? The max slot that was calculated for this summer was including the contracts of the players that the Lakers are potenitally trading. KCP, Rondo, Beasley, Stephenson, McGee, Chandler are all off the books this summer. How do we not have the room for the 3rd max contract?
cap space for 2019-20 is reported at 109M right? Deng is 5M. James is 37.4M. Davis is 27.1M without his trade kicker. if we release Bonga, Wagner, Hart and Mykhailiuk, and add 9 cap holds of 890k each, thats 8.1M. we are then left with 31.4M, while the Kawhi/Kyrie max is 32.7M. or what am i missing?
 

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KB824

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Those cap holds are in place until the lakers renounce their rights, which they would do immediately

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Which they would do without hesitation since they do not hold Bird rights over any of them. That was the big issue with Brook Lopez last year. They renoucned his rights, but in doing so, the lost the Bird Rights. Therefore, if the Lakers wanted Lopez back, any amount that he signed for would have counted against the cap. Same with Randle.

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Dallas is getting Porzingis

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DeAndre Jordan, Wes Matthews, Dennis Smith Jr to the Knicks
 

KB824

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I'm not sure why the Knicks made this trade.

This takes them out of the picture for the 1st pick in the draft if they don't turn around and trade those guys before the deadline. They didn't have Kristaps all season, now they add a monster rebounder and defender in the middle, and a dynamic player in DSJ.

This makes no sense

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Where’d you get the Dallas/NY details from?

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I'm not sure why the Knicks made this trade.

This takes them out of the picture for the 1st pick in the draft if they don't turn around and trade those guys before the deadline. They didn't have Kristaps all season, now they add a monster rebounder and defender in the middle, and a dynamic player in DSJ.

This makes no sense

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That trade really makes no sense for NY but damn, Doncic and Porzingis together would be awesome
 

KB824

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That trade really makes no sense for NY but damn, Doncic and Porzingis together would be awesome
It would, but Porzingis is constantly injured though. he may not even play this year. That will be nearly 150 games missed in his first 4 seasons.

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If anything, this actually may have helped Dallas get to the 1st pick in the draft more than NY. In other words, the Knicks fucked up. Again.
 

zizinho

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Apr 14, 2013
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Those cap holds are in place until the lakers renounce their rights, which they would do immediately
i didnt even know that was possible, i thought you have to fit 12 players under the cap 1st before additional moves. so we can use the 109M on just 3 players? then just add veteran minimum players + whichever exception we have?
 

KB824

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This is from the CBA

38. When do free agents stop counting against team salary?

Free agents continue to be included in team salary until one of the following happens:

  • The player signs a new contract with the same team. When this happens, the team salary reflects the player's new salary rather than his cap hold.
  • The player signs with a different team. As soon as this happens, the player becomes his new team's problem, and his salary no longer counts against his old team.
  • The team renounces the player. (See question number 39)

39. What does renouncing a player mean?

As detailed in question number 36, free agents continue to be included in team salary. By renouncing a player, a team gives up its right to use the Larry Bird, Early Bird, or Non-Bird exception (see question number 25) to re-sign that player. A renounced player no longer counts toward team salary, so teams use renouncement to gain additional cap room. Teams are still permitted to re-sign renounced players, but only with cap room or an exception other than the Bird exception1. The exception to this rule is that an Early Bird free agent, at the team's option, can be renounced to the Non-Bird level. A team might do this in order to sign the player to a one-year contract, instead of the minimum two years required by the Early Bird exception.

If the player does not sign with any team (his prior team or any other team) for the entire season, then his renouncement continues. In other words, the team is not permitted to renounce a player, let him sit idle for the year, and then re-sign him the following summer using Bird rights. However, if the player is renounced and then re-signs with his prior team, his renouncement is no longer in effect when his contract ends. For example, if a team renounces their Larry Bird rights to a player, then re-signs that player to a one-year contract using cap room, the player will be a Larry Bird free agent once again the following summer.

After renouncing a player, a team can still sign the player to a Two-Way contract (see question number 82) or trade the player in a sign-and-trade agreement (see question number 92).
1 The team is bound to the restrictions on salary, contract length and raises associated with the means they use to sign the player -- for example, if a team renounces its Bird free agent and then re-signs him with the Non-Taxpayer Mid-Level exception, the contract must conform to the requirements of the Non-Taxpayer Mid-Level exception. However, if a team renounces its Bird free agent and later re-signs him using its cap room, the player can still receive the contract length and raises associated with the Bird exception. This is because the maximum contract length and raises in a cap room signing are determined by the player's original free agent status, and are not affected by renouncement.
 

zizinho

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Apr 14, 2013
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This is from the CBA

38. When do free agents stop counting against team salary?

Free agents continue to be included in team salary until one of the following happens:

  • The player signs a new contract with the same team. When this happens, the team salary reflects the player's new salary rather than his cap hold.
  • The player signs with a different team. As soon as this happens, the player becomes his new team's problem, and his salary no longer counts against his old team.
  • The team renounces the player. (See question number 39)

39. What does renouncing a player mean?

As detailed in question number 36, free agents continue to be included in team salary. By renouncing a player, a team gives up its right to use the Larry Bird, Early Bird, or Non-Bird exception (see question number 25) to re-sign that player. A renounced player no longer counts toward team salary, so teams use renouncement to gain additional cap room. Teams are still permitted to re-sign renounced players, but only with cap room or an exception other than the Bird exception1. The exception to this rule is that an Early Bird free agent, at the team's option, can be renounced to the Non-Bird level. A team might do this in order to sign the player to a one-year contract, instead of the minimum two years required by the Early Bird exception.

If the player does not sign with any team (his prior team or any other team) for the entire season, then his renouncement continues. In other words, the team is not permitted to renounce a player, let him sit idle for the year, and then re-sign him the following summer using Bird rights. However, if the player is renounced and then re-signs with his prior team, his renouncement is no longer in effect when his contract ends. For example, if a team renounces their Larry Bird rights to a player, then re-signs that player to a one-year contract using cap room, the player will be a Larry Bird free agent once again the following summer.

After renouncing a player, a team can still sign the player to a Two-Way contract (see question number 82) or trade the player in a sign-and-trade agreement (see question number 92).
1 The team is bound to the restrictions on salary, contract length and raises associated with the means they use to sign the player -- for example, if a team renounces its Bird free agent and then re-signs him with the Non-Taxpayer Mid-Level exception, the contract must conform to the requirements of the Non-Taxpayer Mid-Level exception. However, if a team renounces its Bird free agent and later re-signs him using its cap room, the player can still receive the contract length and raises associated with the Bird exception. This is because the maximum contract length and raises in a cap room signing are determined by the player's original free agent status, and are not affected by renouncement.
but i know that already. just answer me this to make sure we mean the same thing. we have these guys under contract:

James 37.4M
Davis 27.1M
Kyrie/Kawhi/Klay 32.7M
Deng 5M
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102.2M

what now? you need to sign another 9 players and have 6.8M in salaries left. the minimum salary is 897k for players with zero NBA seasons. you can renounce everyone but you still need to sign players
 

KB824

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Sep 16, 2003
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but i know that already. just answer me this to make sure we mean the same thing. we have these guys under contract:

James 37.4M
Davis 27.1M
Kyrie/Kawhi/Klay 32.7M
Deng 5M
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102.2M

what now? you need to sign another 9 players and have 6.8M in salaries left. the minimum salary is 897k for players with zero NBA seasons. you can renounce everyone but you still need to sign players
You still have Hart, Svi, Wagner, Bonga. You can then use the Mid Level Exception to sign a player, as these salaries will not put you over the luxury tax threshold, and the rest are are on NBA minimum contracts. The latter 2 types of contracts do not count against the cap. I believe they could also use the Bi-Annual exception, as I don't think they used it this year.

The Mid Level and Bi Annual exception can be split up on more than one player, if needed.
 

zizinho

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Apr 14, 2013
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that trade makes no sense for NY btw. unless Dallas takes back Hardaway and Lee and they are sure they can land 2 of Irving, Leonard, Durant in the summer. Dallas did well, but its questionable if Porzingis ever reaches his pre injury level again. if he does, he and Doncic will look like a scary duo
 

KB824

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Sep 16, 2003
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The Knicks could also potentially buy out Jordan and Matthews. Provided that they do it prior to March 1st, they would be playoff eligible by any team that signs them.
 

Bianconero81

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I miss the old NBA when players didn't defect, pussy out, and try to build super teams. You didn't see Jordan trying to team up with Shaq or Hakeem. The only Super Team of sorts was that Lakers team with a decaying Mailman, an ageing Glove, Mamba, and Shaq.
 

Post Ironic

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Feb 9, 2013
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I miss the old NBA when players didn't defect, pussy out, and try to build super teams. You didn't see Jordan trying to team up with Shaq or Hakeem. The only Super Team of sorts was that Lakers team with a decaying Mailman, an ageing Glove, Mamba, and Shaq.
C’mon man. It’s not really new. The Lakers had 5 hall of famers in 84 and 85, the Celtics had 5 hall of famers in 86 and 87, the Pistons had 4 in 88, 3 in 89. The 76ers had 3 in 83. And the ‘80s was the best era of basketball ever imo. But it was definitely a league of haves and have-nots.

Still way better than the iso-heavy, snails-pace 90s, only Jordan and Hakeem truly made the 90s passable. Also, Barkley joined Hakeem and Drexler to try to get himself a championship. Even Rodman joining the Bulls was turning that team into a super team in essence.

The latest big three shit that you hate (and I hate too) started with the Celtics and Allen, Pierce, Garnett teaming up to win a championship. Then Lebron ran with it to Miami and back to Cleveland.

And now Golden State and Durant took it to full retard levels, having the 2nd best player of the era join a team that won 73 games a year earlier and was 1 game from a second consecutive championship, and then Cousins joining on minimum this summer, when he would have been a max player if not for coming back for serious injury.

Unfortunately, because of this, there’s no longer a way to compete with Golden State without building a super team. It’s obnoxious as fuck, but whatever.

Lots of great players to watch right now. Not a fan of the way the game is called though, it doesn’t allow the close quarters defending of the past (which handchecking made possible), which allows the 3-ball to be so dominant. Players defend a step off now so they can react in time and can’t be driven by as easily, without the handchecking to stop that. What they call contested threes are hardly contested half the time now.

Bleh. Whatever. Let’s not open up that can of worms.
 

Bianconero81

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Jan 26, 2009
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C’mon man. It’s not really new. The Lakers had 5 hall of famers in 84 and 85, the Celtics had 5 hall of famers in 86 and 87, the Pistons had 4 in 88, 3 in 89. The 76ers had 3 in 83. And the ‘80s was the best era of basketball ever imo. But it was definitely a league of haves and have-nots.

Still way better than the iso-heavy, snails-pace 90s, only Jordan and Hakeem truly made the 90s passable. Also, Barkley joined Hakeem and Drexler to try to get himself a championship. Even Rodman joining the Bulls was turning that team into a super team in essence.

The latest big three shit that you hate (and I hate too) started with the Celtics and Allen, Pierce, Garnett teaming up to win a championship. Then Lebron ran with it to Miami and back to Cleveland.

And now Golden State and Durant took it to full retard levels, having the 2nd best player of the era join a team that won 73 games a year earlier and was 1 game from a second consecutive championship, and then Cousins joining on minimum this summer, when he would have been a max player if not for coming back for serious injury.

Unfortunately, because of this, there’s no longer a way to compete with Golden State without building a super team. It’s obnoxious as fuck, but whatever.

Lots of great players to watch right now. Not a fan of the way the game is called though, it doesn’t allow the close quarters defending of the past (which handchecking made possible), which allows the 3-ball to be so dominant. Players defend a step off now so they can react in time and can’t be driven by as easily, without the handchecking to stop that. What they call contested threes are hardly contested half the time now.

Bleh. Whatever. Let’s not open up that can of worms.
I just don't want Lechoke winning another ring. We won't hear the end of it from the media. They suck his dick so hard now anyways. As soon as Lebum retires, the Lakers can win again :D
 

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