All this talk about AD to the Celtics is a moot point until Irving decides what he wants to do.
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The other thing to keep in mind is that you have to factor the 19-20 contract numbers when talking about AD to the Celtics. And they don't have enough in young assets to trade to make the salaries work, which means that one of the really expensive guys HAS to go to New Orleans to make the salaries match. I'm not sure its something that Pelicans would be interested in if they go full rebuild mode.
I'm not 12.
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This is why I said last night, that if the Pelicans want to do a full rebuild, and they want young assets, expiring contracts to make the salaries work, and 1st round picks, there are very few teams that can do this, and one of them is the Lakers.
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This is what the Celtics have for next year. If someone can come up with a formula to make the salaries work for an AD trade in the summer without having to give up one of the expensive contracts, I'm more than willing to listen
https://www.spotrac.com/nba/boston-celtics/cap/2019/
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This is what the Lakers have this year, keeping in mind that KCP is an expiring contract at 12 million, as well as Michael Beasley at 3.5. Add those to Kuzma, Ball, Zubac and 1st round picks, and you can make the deal work
https://www.spotrac.com/nba/los-angeles-lakers/cap/
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That 25 million is for THIS season, and it has already been said several times that Boston can't trade for him this year. They can only trade for him on or after July 1st, which is the start of the new calendar year
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And I would do it. In a heartbeat. But that would be it for me as far as the young guys go in a trade.
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You have to have a limit, and including Zubac and/or hart, on top of draft picks, would be too much for my tastes
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And I would do it. In a heartbeat. But that would be it for me as far as the young guys go in a trade.
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You have to have a limit, and including Zubac and/or hart, on top of draft picks, would be too much for my tastes
His salary after the trade kicker would be 31.1M. And im confused, why 27M? Ive got 24.9M going by the 125% rule. But even if its 27M, they can match that with possibly one or 2 rookies this summer
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Also, those other guys would be cheap salary filler. The value of the trade is Tatum, and their 1st rounders. But they would rather have 4 young cheap players than a Horford or Smart or Hayward i think
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Also, those other guys would be cheap salary filler. The value of the trade is Tatum, and their 1st rounders. But they would rather have 4 young cheap players than a Horford or Smart or Hayward i think
The Celtics cannot trade for Anthony Davis until July 1st 2019. That is the start of the new fiscal year for the NBA. At that point, Davis' contract is 27 million dollars. You keep using his current contract figure. The Lakers can trade for him now, and use his current salary to match. The Celtics cannot. And if I am the Pelicans, why would I want 6 players back in return, when 4 out of the 6 have proven very little, or nothing at all?
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None of those 1st rounders are going to be eye popping. And trading all 4 of those picks to one team means that the Pelicans will have to have cap holds on all of those players. And as far as the 6 young guys you mentioned. Are they collectively better than Ball, Ingram, and Kuzma?
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And let's not forget that the Pelicans will also have their own first round pick.
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So, by this logic, if the Celtics trade those 6 players, and even 2 of those 4 draft picks, combined with their own pick, tht will be 9 new players? Where are they going to play?
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OK, 27M. They can still get to that figure without any of their expensive players. They have 4 1st round picks this summer, if all are even 1M (most will be more), they are over that figure. And why would NO want those 4? Because all 4 are very cheap and none of them have guaranteed contracts past next season. They want Tatum, Brown and picks, the rest would there to match salaries. I think they rather take those 4 for a year then Smart or Hayward. Maybe they prefer Horford because he also has only one more yesr after this one. But my point, they can make a trade work without NO having to take any of the expensive contracts
But it's not realistic. If you are going to do this with me, you have to be realistic. There is no way New Orleans takes 6 players, 4 of which have done nothing in the NBA, and 4 draft picks for 1 player. Again, where are they going to play?
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And if you are New Orleans, do you take that Celtics offer, or do you take Ingram, Ball, Kuzma, KCP's expiring contract for this year, and multiple 1st round picks, or that Celtics offer
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And if you are the Celtics, you don't make that kind of trade, unless you plan on having an 8 man roster next year
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Let's not for get that New Orleans still has Jrue under contract, and most likely Mirotic as well. That is 44 million against the cap just with those 2 guys. And there is no reason for them to trade Jrue.
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They only have 5 guaranteed contract for next season though, if we exclude Davis. I dont know how realistic is that, im just saying that if they tell the Celtics that they dont want those 3 expensive contracts, they can get a deal done without.
I wanna keep Ball but right now, our offer looks better. It depends on if they keep the Memphis pick and how high it is though (it is protected i think?)
I wanna keep Ball but right now, our offer looks better. It depends on if they keep the Memphis pick and how high it is though (it is protected i think?)
He picked up two fouls right off the bat, in first 6 minutes and 76ers killed the starting line-up, so Walton sat him on the bench for quite a while.
He was playing while the Lakers were closing the gap in the 4th, but didn’t box out a defensive rebound properly allowing the 76ers an easy tip-in and Walton flipped his shit at him and benched him the rest of the game.
Would have liked Walton to let him play through that mistake, growing pains and all, but it was pretty dumb, so can understand why he was pissed,
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Would have? Do we get to play this game too?
With Lebron, Kuzma, Lonzo, we would’ve won by 15+
He was playing while the Lakers were closing the gap in the 4th, but didn’t box out a defensive rebound properly allowing the 76ers an easy tip-in and Walton flipped his shit at him and benched him the rest of the game.
Would have liked Walton to let him play through that mistake, growing pains and all, but it was pretty dumb, so can understand why he was pissed,
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Would have? Do we get to play this game too?
With Lebron, Kuzma, Lonzo, we would’ve won by 15+
He picked up two fouls right off the bat, in first 6 minutes and 76ers killed the starting line-up, so Walton sat him on the bench for quite a while.
He was playing while the Lakers were closing the gap in the 4th, but didn’t box out a defensive rebound properly allowing the 76ers an easy tip-in and Walton flipped his shit at him and benched him the rest of the game.
Would have liked Walton to let him play through that mistake, growing pains and all, but it was pretty dumb, so can understand why he was pissed,
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Would have? Do we get to play this game too?
With Lebron, Kuzma, Lonzo, we would’ve won by 15+
He was playing while the Lakers were closing the gap in the 4th, but didn’t box out a defensive rebound properly allowing the 76ers an easy tip-in and Walton flipped his shit at him and benched him the rest of the game.
Would have liked Walton to let him play through that mistake, growing pains and all, but it was pretty dumb, so can understand why he was pissed,
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Would have? Do we get to play this game too?
With Lebron, Kuzma, Lonzo, we would’ve won by 15+
And Sixers have a winning record against the west, I doubt it.
Because that really means they would beat a full-strength Lebron led Lakers at home, when they struggled to contain Ingram and only closed out a half-strength Lakers in the last couple minutes. We'll see. I'd take this Lakers team in the playoffs any day of the 76ers, just because of Lebron. It's irrelevant though, as we'll get crushed by at least GSW and Houston, and you guys won't get past Boston or Toronto.
Tampering? When Lebron said he'd love to play with AD (amongst various other top players), NBA owners and GMs got all up in arms about it. There were articles all over the place about. New Orleans just asked the NBA to strictly enforce tampering rules, obviously with the Lakers in mind. Popovich reportedly told the Pelicans not to trade AD to the Lakers (the very definition of tampering). Magic had the NBA up in arms and got fined in the past for saying that Giannis was a fantastic player and would lead Milwaukee to a championship one day. It's funny.
We'll see. I'd take this Lakers team in the playoffs any day of the 76ers, just because of Lebron. It's irrelevant though, as we'll get crushed by at least GSW and Houston, and you guys won't get past Boston or Toronto. Tampering? When Lebron said he'd love to play with AD (amongst various other top players), NBA owners and GMs got all up in arms about it. There were articles all over the place about. New Orleans just asked the NBA to strictly enforce tampering rules, obviously with the Lakers in mind. Popovich reportedly told the Pelicans not to trade AD to the Lakers (the very definition of tampering). Magic had the NBA up in arms and got fined in the past for saying that Giannis was a fantastic player and would lead Milwaukee to a championship one day. It's funny.
Players can't be fined for tampering. Because the NBA doesn't recognize as what they may say about other players as tampering.
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What Popovic did is the very definition of tampering, and if it could somehow be proven that this conversation led to the Pelicans not trading Davis to the lakers, then it is Collusion, which is much worse. That is because Popovich is also the president of the Spurs, which means that this is dialogue between two front office people.
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What Popovic did is the very definition of tampering, and if it could somehow be proven that this conversation led to the Pelicans not trading Davis to the lakers, then it is Collusion, which is much worse. That is because Popovich is also the president of the Spurs, which means that this is dialogue between two front office people.
Players can be fined for tampering. Davis actually got fined yesterday but that was more like breach of contract.
Under NBA tampering rules, no player, coach or management person may entice or induce a player under contract with another team to play for his team.
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Okay, I thought you meant in this forum
Under NBA tampering rules, no player, coach or management person may entice or induce a player under contract with another team to play for his team.
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Because that really means they would beat a full-strength Lebron led Lakers at home, when they struggled to contain Ingram and only closed out a half-strength Lakers in the last couple minutes. We'll see. I'd take this Lakers team in the playoffs any day of the 76ers, just because of Lebron. It's irrelevant though, as we'll get crushed by at least GSW and Houston, and you guys won't get past Boston or Toronto.
Tampering? When Lebron said he'd love to play with AD (amongst various other top players), NBA owners and GMs got all up in arms about it. There were articles all over the place about. New Orleans just asked the NBA to strictly enforce tampering rules, obviously with the Lakers in mind. Popovich reportedly told the Pelicans not to trade AD to the Lakers (the very definition of tampering). Magic had the NBA up in arms and got fined in the past for saying that Giannis was a fantastic player and would lead Milwaukee to a championship one day. It's funny.
We'll see. I'd take this Lakers team in the playoffs any day of the 76ers, just because of Lebron. It's irrelevant though, as we'll get crushed by at least GSW and Houston, and you guys won't get past Boston or Toronto. Tampering? When Lebron said he'd love to play with AD (amongst various other top players), NBA owners and GMs got all up in arms about it. There were articles all over the place about. New Orleans just asked the NBA to strictly enforce tampering rules, obviously with the Lakers in mind. Popovich reportedly told the Pelicans not to trade AD to the Lakers (the very definition of tampering). Magic had the NBA up in arms and got fined in the past for saying that Giannis was a fantastic player and would lead Milwaukee to a championship one day. It's funny.
Okay, I thought you meant in this forum