The Mod Thread ("because for some reason,you think we actually care") (47 Viewers)

[Vinman]

Fred says that Moggi is gay, Tahir says that Poulsen is our best player and Martin thinks we should offer a new contract to Secco.

Deal with them.

well, those are completely valid reasons to ban all their asses for at least a week

 

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[Fred]

But there is now!

It doesn't change that fact that every Israeli on this forum will be offended by what you and some others say about Israel.
Just like every Muslim is offended when Seven says that Muhammad was gay.

The point is, you're all offending groups of people on this forum. So if you can do it, Seven should be able to do it.
If he can't do it, then you can't do it either.

You stick by your beliefs and you share them with us. I'm gonna argue with you if I disagree with them, but i'd never try to censor you.
Seven sticks by his beliefs and he shares them with us. He's not allowed to do it.

You're both insulting certain groups here.
Where the fuck is the difference?

I am offended by them having Israeli passports and i am offended by them living or rather occupying Palestinian land. (No this is not a joke)

I did not insult Israeli's, i did not say they were all idiots or that they are all inferior to me, but i reserve my right not to acknowledge a team from Israel as i believe it to be an occupation. Amr Zaki has every right not to play for Portsmouth for whatever reason he deems fit.

Its not racism, because you do not have to be an Israeli, it would have been racist had he said i won't play with Jews.

 

[Alen]

That was only an example to show how lame the logic of Altair for approving Tahir's post was while he's always been a critic of Seven's antics.

I thought Fred and you were more intelligent than that. I sure didn't get offended by Fred's avatar. In fact I believe that everyone is free to make fun of everything he wants. By this logic, I'm not offended by any remark disapproving my beliefs and I also make fun of everything that I find "funny". The bold part is where Fred can't stand the likes of me. He's easily losing it when someone makes fun of his beliefs. The ironic part is that the same Fred of all people has no problem if his words are perceived as offensive by someone and even worse, he's woefully trying to justify it.

Here Fred, I must quote this post of mine. The last two sentences.
That's exactly what's happening here.

 

[Snoop]

well, those are completely valid reasons to ban all their asses for at least a week

Vinman for mod :jvefan:

 

[Alen]

Am I the only one who pictured Alen pulling his hair in this past 2 days for giving up moderation?

What do you think I'd have done if I was a moderator?

I couldn't unban Seven because i'd have respected the decision of the majority of the moderators and i'd have never unbanned him without getting a permission to do it from the moderator who banned him.

There weren't any warning granting insults so I couldn't give a warning to anyone.
Even if things got heated, everyone tried to respect the rules.

So what was I going to do differently if I was a moderator?

 

[Elvin]

What do you think I'd have done if I was a moderator?

I couldn't unban Seven because i'd have respected the decision of the majority of the moderators and i'd have never unbanned him without getting a permission to do it from the moderator who banned him.

There weren't any warning granting insults so I couldn't give a warning to anyone.
Even if things got heated, everyone tried to respect the rules.

So what was I going to do differently if I was a moderator?

Well, you could change my signature for one

 

[Azzurri7]

I think you meant me here

Will say it again, calling someone gypsy or to make racist comments is not the same when you make fun of religions. Racism exists and people don't chose their race, or even their roots their nationality. While religions and gods are imaginations, way of living, a belief. People choose what they want to believe. Not the same things at all. And there is a big difference of making fun of Islam than making insulting/wishing death to Muslims. I think everyone here is making fun of religions, or people's way of thinking. No big deal in that.

In my book, there is nothing called holiness or blasphemy or taboo, you are free to make fun of people and icons, as long as you don't insult or wish ugly things like death to people.

I didn't meant you because at that time you were not here I guess. But to reply to your post...

To you it may be racist, to me it's probably not because I have different explanation of gypsies. To others insulting prophet Mohammad is insulting their beliefs no? To many others it's not. So why continue in something when you know you're insulting other people's belief? Is there an explanation for this.

Making fun can be acceptable once twice...I make fun of Americans lets say you make fun of Syrians, but once it's repetitive it doesn't become a joke anymore. Once you laugh at it everytime/everyday then it's anything but a joke IMO.

Trust me, I'm just like you Snoop if not worse. I don't believe in anything but I don't go around make fun and insult prophets over and over because I don't see any reason why and this is what people fail to understand. There is simply no reason for it.

 

[Fred]

Here Fred, I must quote this post of mine. The last two sentences.
That's exactly what's happening here.

The first sentence of the bold part is wrong.

Also the " Fred can't stand the likes of me"

Why would you think that? TBH i've always liked you very much. I just find your obsessive defending of Seven to be rather ridiculous.

 

[Alen]

Well, you could change my signature for one

That's called censorship. I don't do that.
And I don't mind it at all. You fell for the trap I set for you there, so now I feel bad about that and I can't get mad at you.

 

[Alen]

The first sentence of the bold part is wrong.

Also the " Fred can't stand the likes of me"

Why would you think that? TBH i've always liked you very much. I just find your obsessive defending of Seven to be rather ridiculous.

Not "me" as Alen. "Me" as "my beliefs" in that particular aspect.

 

[Elvin]

Alen is not obsessing over Seven per se, but over injustice in this case. He got a perma-ban (a freakin perma-ban for God's sake), because few members were offended. It's nothing but questioning authority IMO, and I applaud his commitment in seeking justice.

 

[Fred]

I didn't meant you because at that time you were not here I guess. But to reply to your post...

To you it may be racist, to me it's probably not because I have different explanation of gypsies. To others insulting prophet Mohammad is insulting their beliefs no? To many others it's not. So why continue in something when you know you're insulting other people's belief? Is there an explanation for this.

Making fun can be acceptable once twice...I make fun of Americans lets say you make fun of Syrians, but once it's repetitive it doesn't become a joke anymore. Once you laugh at it everytime/everyday then it's anything but a joke IMO.

Trust me, I'm just like you Snoop if not worse. I don't believe in anything but I don't go around make fun and insult prophets over and over because I don't see any reason why and this is what people fail to understand. There is simply no reason for it.

True and its not like Snoop has never made fun of religion, but most of us here do not have a problem with that. Vlatko completely blasted muslims after the Croatia - Turkey game, yet the muslim members here do not have a problem with either one of those two. There must be a reason for that

When it becomes repetitive and when the intention is obviously to offend people and provoke them, thats where we draw the line, thats why i've had problems with Seven, yet i have never had problems with other people that make fun of or have made fun of religion before like Andy, Burke, Snoop etc.

 

[Alen]

Alen is not obsessing over Seven per se, but over injustice in this case. He got a perma-ban (a freakin perma-ban for God's sake), because few members were offended.

No, even though it will work against me, I will be honest and admit that having a soft spot for Seven is part of the reason why I react the way I react. Here i'm wrong, I know.
But that's only a smaller part of the reason for my reaction. The injustice is the much bigger one.

 

[Fred]

So do you think theres a chance that the mods will overturn their decision when you keep whining?

Somehow i think their decision is final this time.

 

[Alen]

Vlatko completely blasted muslims after the Croatia - Turkey game

Not all the Muslims, only the Turks. He'd have done the same if instead of the Turks, the Germans or the Italians eliminated Croatia in that manner.
So I see no reasons why should the Muslims have any problem with him at all.

 

[Elvin]

What do you think I'd have done if I was a moderator?

I couldn't unban Seven because i'd have respected the decision of the majority of the moderators and i'd have never unbanned him without getting a permission to do it from the moderator who banned him.

There weren't any warning granting insults so I couldn't give a warning to anyone.
Even if things got heated, everyone tried to respect the rules.

So what was I going to do differently if I was a moderator?

Ok, let's get this straight, Al. The moment you said "the bet is off", THEN, at that moment you lost. And by saying "the bet is off" just because "I got lucky and Trez got injured" (which this case, the injury to Trez was never mentioned in our original deal), and I don't care if you believe me or not but I thought about that happening and didn't mention it on purpose. Thus no conditions applied anyway, so I didn't fall for anything.
Just for the record.

 

[Vinman]

Vinman for mod :jvefan:

if I was on here a little more often, then maybe I would

can we just remember that we all have one thing in common- we are all Juve fans

there was a time waaay back when, when Martin was in charge here and didnt allow political or religious discussions, and things went so much smoother back then (especially for the mods), and the only real debate was whether slugs like Paramatti or Salas should even be on our team

 

[mikhail]

Wow, this thread has exploded.

Can I ask you guys something: could you trust the mods a bit? Seven and Elvin have their supporters and detractors among us, and we discuss them in private. In the end, we try to make decisions and to act in ways which make this board an ok place to post and an effective Juve fansite. We give even the most difficult people as many chances as we can justify, and we do all of this in our spare time because we value this forum.

I'm going to ask the other mods to post in the mod forum about this thread: very briefly, what are people unhappy about that we haven't discussed before, and do they have any suggestions on how to clear things up.

In the meantime, can I ask the regular forum members to let the subject lie for a few days. There's only so much of my time budgeted for justifying my actions, and at least two or three of the other mods have lives too.

Alen, Elvin, take the bet stuff to PM. If you can't agree, appoint a neutral third party, mod or not, to make a judgement based on max 200 word arguments and links to the original posts setting up the bet, agreeing to abide by his/her judgement. Stop bickering about it.

 

[Azzurri7]

Here is the difference: You calling Zlatan a Zingaro ISN'T racism. You were never ever asked to stop calling him a zingaro, at least not by me. You didn't even know why do they call him a Zingaro so your ignorance in the particular case was excused.

I was never asked to stop calling him a Zingaro? Please Alen, lets not laugh at ourselves man.

You don't remember when we had the Zingaro discussion and here's what you said in a short-cut: You call Zlatan Zingaro---->You are calling him a gypsy---> you're saying Croatians/Bosnians are gypsies----> You are insulting me as a Croatian.

And since you felt offended and since you considered this insults as an insult to you as Croatian I stopped since then. Didn't I? I stopped because I felt that since it disturbs you and since some saw it as a racist remark I stopped saying it.

Member X calling Osman or Balotelli a nigger IS racism. Someone saying that the Arabs should be killed and they are a lower race can be called racism and is unacceptable.

Seven saying that Mohammed is gay, isn't racism.

100%, no one disagrees with you here. But you can't go on make definition for everything and say how and what people should accept or shouldn't.

To some, calling Prophet a homosexual or saying Islam is full of shit isn't far from saying Arabs should be killed or thrown to the sea.

And because you should know that for them it's sensitive topic, why to keep making fun and insulting? Just because you think it's not racist but normal(which is only to you and several others)??

You're not getting my point I'm afraid yet, I'm on the same page like you and Snoop and Dule and and and... But what I'm trying to say here is that religion is a sensitive topic to majority of people worldwide not only Muslims, why to mock this sensitive topic to some of them. Either discuss it in a civilized manner way or don't.

It's like someone insulting your sister or mother on a street. Some would react or who doesn't care will smile back at him. Personally, I'll always react.

You'd call me a hypocrite for defending Seven and not defending Fred, when at the same time you're all being hypocritical for letting people make fun of Israel, the Serbs, the holocaust, and some even laugh at that, but the drama starts when Seven does the same.

I wouldn't, no one defended Seven since he joined the forums as much as I did.

I'm with you on this... I don't accept and I don't like to see bunch of people making fun of Israel (although I'm Lebanese and they're considered our enemies), I don't accept anyone mocking the Serbs, Syrians, Palestinians because there's no reason for it, specially in the forums.

I'm not pointing at the Islam and Seven but all in general making fun of anything else not related to football and Juventus isn't my type, but I had to give examples about Zlatan-Zingaro and Islam-Seven etc...

 

[Zé Tahir]

I see it as an insult and intentional. Saying something like that to me was like spitting on Del Piero. I don't think it's fair, not a way to prove something, especially when you see what he wrote and when it wasn't even a joke.

Tahir can keep his moderating job for all I care, I know I'm not going to talk to people like him any longer. Sorry. I agree with what Alen said but hey, what do I know, I'm just a Serb that hates Muslims.

Over and out.

You're being overly dramatic now,did Tahir not apologize to you? What should we say about cruello saying auschwitz was a good thing? What about him saying the holocaust was a hoax? That was a gross human right's violation & yet some members here laughed at he's despicable posts.

True that but why didn't some go ballistic about his posts? Millions were killed,it was genocide.Only difference here is that there it's hitting closer to home & now it's not funny.

That's alright B. I knew he'd whine about it some more and be a drama queen.

Fact is all your hypocrites were presented with a very good taste of your own medicine and you didn't like it at all. Those of you that got it knew that I didn't mean it but for those that didn't: too bad, I really don't care.

@Martin: You can be all shocked you want and say that I shouldn't have said something like that being a Mod. Sure, but respect goes both ways. Perhaps members should respect the decisions the mods have made and not constantly, repeatedly, time and time again whine and ask to reinstate a member? Maybe commends like "mods give fuck all" shouldn't be made because it's disrespectful.