Shit, some members here are having too much free time. Discussing same topic for almost 24h, now that's an achivement.
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Here's what I have to say after reading the last pages....
Personally, I'm never offended nor I care about religious topics/God/Devil etc so long they're not discussed in a civilized way and specially when Seven is around there. So I think and again (Personally) Religious threads should be closed.
Also the same members(and please don't ask me to mention names) that do think mocking Prophet Mohammad or Islam is a normal thing or people shouldn't get offended for it because it's fun and people enjoy making fun, are the same members that made a big drama story when I was calling Zlatan Zingaro saying it's racist and it's not right and so on.
They either really enjoy drama or to them mocking Prophets and making fun of Islam/Christians and provoking people who do believe in religion is something very normal but calling a player Gypsy is something NOT acceptable. They're the same members defending Seven now. Starting from Seven himself to some Balkan members ending up with random ones.
It might not be an accurate comparison but it's the same robe.
Also me myself, I have begged Seven, I've begged him several times to stop provoking yet he kept repeating the same thing over and over, what more can we do? Give infractions? You can't give an infraction to a spammer can you? Seven was turning into a spammer at times in EVERY single thread. And no one should even deny this. The Elvin Seven comparison is silly. Very silly.
The avatars discussion is even more than silly so I wont get into it.
There are many other things I wanted to mention but I think it's enough for now.
Personally, I'm never offended nor I care about religious topics/God/Devil etc so long they're not discussed in a civilized way and specially when Seven is around there. So I think and again (Personally) Religious threads should be closed.
Also the same members(and please don't ask me to mention names) that do think mocking Prophet Mohammad or Islam is a normal thing or people shouldn't get offended for it because it's fun and people enjoy making fun, are the same members that made a big drama story when I was calling Zlatan Zingaro saying it's racist and it's not right and so on.
They either really enjoy drama or to them mocking Prophets and making fun of Islam/Christians and provoking people who do believe in religion is something very normal but calling a player Gypsy is something NOT acceptable. They're the same members defending Seven now. Starting from Seven himself to some Balkan members ending up with random ones.
It might not be an accurate comparison but it's the same robe.
Also me myself, I have begged Seven, I've begged him several times to stop provoking yet he kept repeating the same thing over and over, what more can we do? Give infractions? You can't give an infraction to a spammer can you? Seven was turning into a spammer at times in EVERY single thread. And no one should even deny this. The Elvin Seven comparison is silly. Very silly.
The avatars discussion is even more than silly so I wont get into it.
There are many other things I wanted to mention but I think it's enough for now.
I think you meant me here 
Will say it again, calling someone gypsy or to make racist comments is not the same when you make fun of religions. Racism exists and people don't chose their race, or even their roots their nationality. While religions and gods are imaginations, way of living, a belief. People choose what they want to believe. Not the same things at all. And there is a big difference of making fun of Islam than making insulting/wishing death to Muslims. I think everyone here is making fun of religions, or people's way of thinking. No big deal in that.
In my book, there is nothing called holiness or blasphemy or taboo, you are free to make fun of people and icons, as long as you don't insult or wish ugly things like death to people.
Will say it again, calling someone gypsy or to make racist comments is not the same when you make fun of religions. Racism exists and people don't chose their race, or even their roots their nationality. While religions and gods are imaginations, way of living, a belief. People choose what they want to believe. Not the same things at all. And there is a big difference of making fun of Islam than making insulting/wishing death to Muslims. I think everyone here is making fun of religions, or people's way of thinking. No big deal in that.
In my book, there is nothing called holiness or blasphemy or taboo, you are free to make fun of people and icons, as long as you don't insult or wish ugly things like death to people.
Why do you care man? Seriously, it can be just a thread with a bunch of unread posts for you. It's just there, it's not homework, you don't have to read it, son. I don't get what the point of posts like this is, members are free to discuss it for years to come if they like... YOU DON'T FUCKIN HAVE TO CLICK ON IT!
Here is the difference: You calling Zlatan a Zingaro ISN'T racism. You were never ever asked to stop calling him a zingaro, at least not by me. You didn't even know why do they call him a Zingaro so your ignorance in the particular case was excused.
The Juve fans, at least the ones who first started calling him a Zingaro, were saying it in racist connotation. If you know the history of it, you'd know why it was racist.
Member X calling Osman or Balotelli a nigger IS racism. Someone saying that the Arabs should be killed and they are a lower race can be called racism and is unacceptable.
Seven saying that Mohammed is gay, isn't racism.
Fred said yesterday that he supports Zaki and he supports the decision of the Arabs not to play against the Israeli. It's offends the Israelis, but it's his personal belief. Seven's personal belief is that Muhammed was gay.
If what Seven said was wrong, then what people keep repeating about Israel is also wrong and you as a moderator should handle the things fairly.
No-one can change Seven's mind that Muhammed was gay. It's his belief. And maybe Muhammed was gay, I don't know. Even if he was, why is it a problem?
Seven can choose to keep that belief to himself or share it. He shared it and he was banned.
Fred can choose to keep his belief that Arabs shouldn't play together with Israelis. He shared it, every Israeli who'll read that will be offended, and nothing happens.
You'd call me a hypocrite for defending Seven and not defending Fred, when at the same time you're all being hypocritical for letting people make fun of Israel, the Serbs, the holocaust, and some even laugh at that, but the drama starts when Seven does the same.
The Juve fans, at least the ones who first started calling him a Zingaro, were saying it in racist connotation. If you know the history of it, you'd know why it was racist.
Member X calling Osman or Balotelli a nigger IS racism. Someone saying that the Arabs should be killed and they are a lower race can be called racism and is unacceptable.
Seven saying that Mohammed is gay, isn't racism.
Fred said yesterday that he supports Zaki and he supports the decision of the Arabs not to play against the Israeli. It's offends the Israelis, but it's his personal belief. Seven's personal belief is that Muhammed was gay.
If what Seven said was wrong, then what people keep repeating about Israel is also wrong and you as a moderator should handle the things fairly.
No-one can change Seven's mind that Muhammed was gay. It's his belief. And maybe Muhammed was gay, I don't know. Even if he was, why is it a problem?
Seven can choose to keep that belief to himself or share it. He shared it and he was banned.
Fred can choose to keep his belief that Arabs shouldn't play together with Israelis. He shared it, every Israeli who'll read that will be offended, and nothing happens.
You'd call me a hypocrite for defending Seven and not defending Fred, when at the same time you're all being hypocritical for letting people make fun of Israel, the Serbs, the holocaust, and some even laugh at that, but the drama starts when Seven does the same.
I think you meant me here
Will say it again, calling someone gypsy or to make racist comments is not the same when you make fun of religions. Racism exists and people don't chose their race, or even their roots their nationality. While religions and gods are imaginations, way of living, a belief. People choose what they want to believe. Not the same things at all. And there is a big difference of making fun of Islam than making insulting/wishing death to Muslims. I think everyone here is making fun of religions, or people's way of thinking. No big deal in that.
In my book, there is nothing called holiness or blasphemy or taboo, you are free to make fun of people and icons, as long as you don't insult or wish ugly things like death to people.
Will say it again, calling someone gypsy or to make racist comments is not the same when you make fun of religions. Racism exists and people don't chose their race, or even their roots their nationality. While religions and gods are imaginations, way of living, a belief. People choose what they want to believe. Not the same things at all. And there is a big difference of making fun of Islam than making insulting/wishing death to Muslims. I think everyone here is making fun of religions, or people's way of thinking. No big deal in that.
In my book, there is nothing called holiness or blasphemy or taboo, you are free to make fun of people and icons, as long as you don't insult or wish ugly things like death to people.
I don't think you guys are attacking Tahir because he is Tahir, thats not what i think at all. I know most of you are friends with him and do not have anything against him. I think you are hypocritical in the sense that you do not attack Seven for comments he made about Arabs and Muslims, thats tottaly fine by you, but Tahir does the same thing to Serbs and all hell breaks loose.
No, why would you think that i think that?
I do not think you attack me or Tahir because we're muslims at all, Seven would do that, but i certainly do not believe you would. Neither would Andy, Martin etc.
I'm saying you think its ok when Seven makes generalizing and insulting remarks about muslims, but its not ok when Tahir does it(i am assuming for arguments sake that he meant it, even though he didn't) about Serbs.
For me that is blatant double standards.
Look Dusan, i like you and i hate that you had to be caught in fire in this whole Seven debacle. You're a nice guy as most here would agree. Tahir did not mean it, but since you didn't get his point or thought that Tahirs way for making his point wasn't really suitable you got offended. I do not think Tahir meant to offend you, not at all. Why would he? I can't think of any reason why he would want to offend you(or why anyone would like to offend you)
You are not an attention whore or a drama queen. If you thought he was being serious i fully understand why you would feel offended, i would feel offended too. But that is what Seven used to do on a daily basis, see what Tahir supposedly did to you, imagine taking that on a daily basis.
And please do not tell me we didn't like him because he had strong arguments about religion. Martin has always been more challenging in his questions, inquiries and doubts about religion and to be honest its harder debating religion with Martin than it is with Seven. The latter just insults and ridicules religion most of the time instead of having real constructive thought provoking debates.
No, why would you think that i think that?
I do not think you attack me or Tahir because we're muslims at all, Seven would do that, but i certainly do not believe you would. Neither would Andy, Martin etc.
I'm saying you think its ok when Seven makes generalizing and insulting remarks about muslims, but its not ok when Tahir does it(i am assuming for arguments sake that he meant it, even though he didn't) about Serbs.
For me that is blatant double standards.
Look Dusan, i like you and i hate that you had to be caught in fire in this whole Seven debacle. You're a nice guy as most here would agree. Tahir did not mean it, but since you didn't get his point or thought that Tahirs way for making his point wasn't really suitable you got offended. I do not think Tahir meant to offend you, not at all. Why would he? I can't think of any reason why he would want to offend you(or why anyone would like to offend you)
You are not an attention whore or a drama queen. If you thought he was being serious i fully understand why you would feel offended, i would feel offended too. But that is what Seven used to do on a daily basis, see what Tahir supposedly did to you, imagine taking that on a daily basis.
And please do not tell me we didn't like him because he had strong arguments about religion. Martin has always been more challenging in his questions, inquiries and doubts about religion and to be honest its harder debating religion with Martin than it is with Seven. The latter just insults and ridicules religion most of the time instead of having real constructive thought provoking debates.
Israel is an occupation thats the difference. There wasn't any such thing as Israel until they occupied Palestine.
I said you could be right about Zaki not playing in a team with an Israeli in it, i told you that i thought it was irrational even though i support it.
What i do support and believe is rational is refusing to play against an Israeli team or the Israeli NT, because that would be admitting that their occupation is legit.
I said you could be right about Zaki not playing in a team with an Israeli in it, i told you that i thought it was irrational even though i support it.
What i do support and believe is rational is refusing to play against an Israeli team or the Israeli NT, because that would be admitting that their occupation is legit.
But there is now!
It doesn't change that fact that every Israeli on this forum will be offended by what you and some others say about Israel.
Just like every Muslim is offended when Seven says that Muhammad was gay.
The point is, you're all offending groups of people on this forum. So if you can do it, Seven should be able to do it.
If he can't do it, then you can't do it either.
You stick by your beliefs and you share them with us. I'm gonna argue with you if I disagree with them, but i'd never try to censor you.
Seven sticks by his beliefs and he shares them with us. He's not allowed to do it.
You're both insulting certain groups here.
Where the fuck is the difference?
It doesn't change that fact that every Israeli on this forum will be offended by what you and some others say about Israel.
Just like every Muslim is offended when Seven says that Muhammad was gay.
The point is, you're all offending groups of people on this forum. So if you can do it, Seven should be able to do it.
If he can't do it, then you can't do it either.
You stick by your beliefs and you share them with us. I'm gonna argue with you if I disagree with them, but i'd never try to censor you.
Seven sticks by his beliefs and he shares them with us. He's not allowed to do it.
You're both insulting certain groups here.
Where the fuck is the difference?
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