The Lebanese political crisis!!! (26 Viewers)

Jun 13, 2007
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After almost 2months now, time to post again in this thread.

Friday new President will be elected and Emil Lahoud will finally pack his stuff to return.... hopefully not home but Jail.

Looks like I was spot on about Michel Aoun. He'll spend his life dreaming about the chair. Thats the only way he can get close to it.
Why? I still think that Aoun will get the presidency. Syria want him as president and they will find a way to give it to him. Unless you know something I don't.
If Aoun becomes president matters will only become worse . I'm neutral when itr comes to politics because I think both sides have effectively destroyed our country . Lahoud had no power at all , he is an idiot , he was manipulated like a puppet by syria etc...

If a president were to be elected this president has to be neutral . A president representing either side will only cause civil unrest .

The way I see it we're fucked no matter what happens . If our president is not hand picked by the states or Syria then he won't see the presidential seat .

Aoun is hezbollah's dog , hezbollah are Iran's dog , ouwet and hariri are the american dogs and unfortunately the Lebanese people will act like dogs and will follow whatever idiot who has political power .
 

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    If Aoun becomes president matters will only become worse . I'm neutral when itr comes to politics because I think both sides have effectively destroyed our country . Lahoud had no power at all , he is an idiot , he was manipulated like a puppet by syria etc...

    If a president were to be elected this president has to be neutral . A president representing either side will only cause civil unrest .

    The way I see it we're fucked no matter what happens . If our president is not hand picked by the states or Syria then he won't see the presidential seat .

    Aoun is hezbollah's dog , hezbollah are Iran's dog , ouwet and hariri are the american dogs and unfortunately the Lebanese people will act like dogs and will follow whatever idiot who has political power .
    This pretty much sums up everything.
     

    Azzurri7

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    Why? I still think that Aoun will get the presidency. Syria want him as president and they will find a way to give it to him. Unless you know something I don't.
    Looks like Nabih Berre and Saad Hariri both agreed on a name. And according to both parts, It's not Michel Aoun.

    The only way syria will help Michel Aoun coming a president is by assasinating Saad Hariri and the rest. Which hopefully wont happen from now till Friday.

    i dont know till when the lebanese will not be able to choose their president , i mean why they dont simply vote like in any other country.
    We do vote....But It's more like the french system. You vote for the "Members of Parliament" and they vote for the president.

    Before we couldn't do it fairly and properly because of the Syrian occupation regime. Now is diff, its no more playing game.

    Im entirely ignorant on this subject,but does Syria have a major hand in dictating Lebanese politics?
    In many ways yes. It's for their good to have a president that can be their friend, Emil Lahoud is an example, a president who will be leaving Friday, but was a good friend with the syrian regime...allowing them to do anything they want in our country...from stealing to occupying to anything you can imagine.

    Since they assasinated President Hariri, everything had changed, before people were afraid of them because of their secret service, not nobody gives a damn after Hariri's death.
     

    Azzurri7

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    If Aoun becomes president matters will only become worse . I'm neutral when itr comes to politics because I think both sides have effectively destroyed our country . Lahoud had no power at all , he is an idiot , he was manipulated like a puppet by syria etc...

    If a president were to be elected this president has to be neutral . A president representing either side will only cause civil unrest .

    The way I see it we're fucked no matter what happens . If our president is not hand picked by the states or Syria then he won't see the presidential seat .

    Aoun is hezbollah's dog , hezbollah are Iran's dog , ouwet and hariri are the american dogs and unfortunately the Lebanese people will act like dogs and will follow whatever idiot who has political power .
    Not taking any sides but you can't compare Hezbollah's relation with syria and Iran to Hariri's relationship with the States....

    Hezbollah do take money from Iran, Hariri doesn't.

    Hezbollah do take weapons from both syria and iran, Hariri and Ouwet don't.

    Hezbollah do take orders to make demonstrations and burn wheels whenever they want, Hariri and Ouwet don't.


    They have good relations with the States thats right, there's nothing wrong with having a good relation, who wouldn't want to have a good relation with worlds strongest country??? and TBH, I can see myself benefiting from a relationship with states but not benefiting with Iran for example.
     
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    Who do you think will succeed, Rab?

    What will happen if the elections don't take place?
     

    Azzurri7

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    I believe elections will take place on Friday. And the our new President will be somewhere in the middle, there are couple of names still nothing is official but rumours saying that the up-coming name isn't from 14march nor 8.

    I think friday will be a new era in Lebanon. Either a new chapter in Lebanon's history, or we'll witness the scary dilemma. The first option is more likely to happen.
     

    Snoop

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    Hagop pakradouni for president :weee:

    btw stop relating everything to Syria.. Syria is no big shit like everyone is telling. Those days are past, those were the days of Hafez el Asad. When Bashar became president, everything did change. He lost his cards everywhere, from Turkey to Palestine to Iraq and now Lebanon, Bashar Asad is not the one who gives orders, it's Najad or Putin that give orders..
     

    Azzurri7

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    Hagop pakradouni for president :weee:

    btw stop relating everything to Syria.. Syria is no big shit like everyone is telling. Those days are past, those were the days of Hafez el Asad. When Bashar became president, everything did change. He lost his cards everywhere, from Turkey to Palestine to Iraq and now Lebanon, Bashar Asad is not the one who gives orders, it's Najad or Putin that give orders..
    Into a nightmare you mean.....He's worse than his father.
     
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    Not taking any sides but you can't compare Hezbollah's relation with syria and Iran to Hariri's relationship with the States....

    Hezbollah do take money from Iran, Hariri doesn't.

    Hezbollah do take weapons from both syria and iran, Hariri and Ouwet don't.

    Hezbollah do take orders to make demonstrations and burn wheels whenever they want, Hariri and Ouwet don't.


    They have good relations with the States thats right, there's nothing wrong with having a good relation, who wouldn't want to have a good relation with worlds strongest country??? and TBH, I can see myself benefiting from a relationship with states but not benefiting with Iran for example.
    I'm all for having a good relationship with the States but allowing them to do as they please with Lebanon is a whole different issue . Although having American influence is probably better than having Syrian or Iranian influence I'm still against it .

    It's not just a good relationship , if America's Lebanese allies gain political control this would mean America would have a hand in nearly every major decision that goes on . This would also mean we have made enemies with our neighbours which is detrimental to our country . Imagine our government having a bad relationship with Syria and Iran . It would simply be a mess .

    Now if a president of Syrian and Iranian influence is elected then they would have a hand in all the decisions .

    I think it's time we have a government that works for the benefit of Lebanon and not the benefit of other countries . Lebanon has suffered from so many years because of outside influence and make no mistake , it's like America gives a shit about Lebanon(If you think they would want to benefit us ) , They just see Lebanon as a potentially good strategic position to have an ally that could assist them in their inevitable war with Iran and Syria .
     

    Azzurri7

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    i heard that micheal eddeh will be the president
    So far yes, he's the one.

    I'm all for having a good relationship with the States but allowing them to do as they please with Lebanon is a whole different issue . Although having American influence is probably better than having Syrian or Iranian influence I'm still against it .
    Eveyone is against it, It's not like I want to have the American influence in my country. But lets face it, Americans they have influence everywhere around the world. Countries like France, Japan, Germany, Saudi, even Lybia etc.... So you can't really stop world's strongest country from having an influence in your country BUT you can choose right from wrong.

    It's not like I'm asking the US to occupy my land and make a military camping over there and controlling our secret service and etc. A good relationship with the States never harm. So long we have a neighbor such as Syria [And I'm talking about the regime, Assad's regime] You need a powerful country to have a relationship with.

    It's not just a good relationship , if America's Lebanese allies gain political control this would mean America would have a hand in nearly every major decision that goes on . This would also mean we have made enemies with our neighbours which is detrimental to our country . Imagine our government having a bad relationship with Syria and Iran . It would simply be a mess .
    Good point. TBH man, I'm all for having good relationship with both Syria and Iran but on some conditions....

    Syria...to leave us alone, stop sending palestinians, syrians, lybians, algerians all the arab nationalities into our country to make a mess. "Nahr El Bered" is an example. We've had 30years of them and I think it's enough.

    Iran...should stop financing Hezbollah...It's for their good more than ours, at the end of the day Iran will be having some tough days coming against States and Europe.

    I'm always with having good relationship, but things should be changed, we're not the same generation 30years ago were. The new generation isn't scared anymore.

    I think it's time we have a government that works for the benefit of Lebanon and not the benefit of other countries . Lebanon has suffered from so many years because of outside influence and make no mistake , it's like America gives a shit about Lebanon(If you think they would want to benefit us ) , They just see Lebanon as a potentially good strategic position to have an ally that could assist them in their inevitable war with Iran and Syria .

    Fair enough, and I agree with most of what you just said.
     

    Bisco

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    I'm all for having a good relationship with the States but allowing them to do as they please with Lebanon is a whole different issue . Although having American influence is probably better than having Syrian or Iranian influence I'm still against it .

    It's not just a good relationship , if America's Lebanese allies gain political control this would mean America would have a hand in nearly every major decision that goes on . This would also mean we have made enemies with our neighbours which is detrimental to our country . Imagine our government having a bad relationship with Syria and Iran . It would simply be a mess .

    Now if a president of Syrian and Iranian influence is elected then they would have a hand in all the decisions .

    I think it's time we have a government that works for the benefit of Lebanon and not the benefit of other countries . Lebanon has suffered from so many years because of outside influence and make no mistake , it's like America gives a shit about Lebanon(If you think they would want to benefit us ) , They just see Lebanon as a potentially good strategic position to have an ally that could assist them in their inevitable war with Iran and Syria .

    thank u soo much i could'nt have said it any better. and by the way its the same situation for syria and iran too. they want power over lebanon for the same reason bec they know sooner or later they will be threatened by the united states. iran wants hezbollah to stay oer there so they can play the same game of terror against the americans. as for syria they need lebanon for strategic depth and so this makes a small country ( geographically) like lebanon the most important asset in the Sham and iraq region.

    offcourse as rab said having good relationships with the united states is not harmful but there will be things that lebanon will have to do weather its right or wrong after all every country in the region has good relations with the uinited states but if u say no there is a price for that and the examples are very numerous.
     

    Eddy

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    Political crisis deepens in Lebanon

    BEIRUT, Lebanon - Lebanon's political tumult intensified as President Emile Lahoud said the country is in a "state of emergency" and handed security powers to the army before he left office late Friday without a successor. The rival, pro-Western Cabinet rejected the declaration.
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    Lahoud's final announcement created new confusion in an already unsettled situation, which many Lebanese fear could explode into violence between supporters of Prime Minister Fuad Saniora's Western-backed government and the pro-Syria opposition led by the Shiite militant group Hezbollah.

    The departure of Lahoud, a staunch ally of the Syrian regime during nine years in office, was a long-sought goal of the government installed by parliament's anti-Syria majority, which has been trying to put one of its own in the presidency.

    Hezbollah and other opposition groups have blocked legislators from electing a new president by boycotting ballot sessions, leaving parliament without the required quorum.

    The fight has put Lebanon into dangerous, unknown territory: Both sides are locked in bitter recriminations, accusing the other of breaking the constitution, and they are nowhere near a compromise on a candidate to become head of state.

    The army command refused to comment on the developments. The military, under its widely respected chief, Gen. Michel Suleiman, has sought to remain neutral in the political chaos, and Lahoud's statement did not give it political powers.

    The capital was calm, and all sides were vowing to avoid violence. Even before the president's vague announcement, the military was in place to guard against the two sides' supporters taking the conflict to the streets. On alert for days, hundreds of soldiers stood with tanks, armored personnel carriers and jeeps in the area around the downtown parliament building as well as on roads leading into Beirut.

    Lahoud stepped down when his term expired at midnight, smiling as he reviewed an honor guard on the way out of the presidential palace in the Beirut suburb of Baabda. "My conscience is clear," he told reporters. "Lebanon is still well."

    Before getting into his car to go, he blasted Saniora's government, calling it "illegitimate and unconstitutional. They know that, even if (President) Bush said otherwise."

    In the capital, some 2,000 government supporters gathered in a Sunni Muslim neighborhood cheered his departure, setting off fireworks, beating drums and shouting, "Lahoud Out!"

    His departure left the presidency vacant after parliament failed again to convene earlier Friday to vote on a successor.

    Lahoud's vaguely worded final statement, two hours before midnight, wasn't a formal declaration of a state of emergency, but he enflamed tempers with his reference to a "state of emergency" in Lebanon.

    "Because a state of emergency exists all over the land as of Nov. 24, 2007, the army is instructed to preserve security all over the Lebanese territory," the presidential spokesman, Rafik Shalala, said.

    The constitution requires the Cabinet to approve any state of emergency, and Saniora's government quickly rejected the announcement.

    "It has no value and is unconstitutional and consequently it is considered as if it was not issued," said a government spokesman, who asked not to be identified because an official announcement had not yet been made by the prime minister.

    Later, a government statement said the Cabinet "continues to shoulder its responsibilities and exercise its full authority."

    Shalala argued Saniora's position didn't matter because his government was not constitutional — the position voiced by Lahoud and the opposition since the Cabinet's five Shiite Muslim members quit last year.

    Further complications came with the expiration of Lahoud's term. Under the constitution, the government is supposed to take on the president's powers if he leaves office without a replacement. Lahoud had vowed not to hand his authorities to Saniora — and his reference to a state of emergency might have been an attempt to escape doing so.

    Saniora signaled earlier that his government planned to assume the powers. His top ally, the United States, said Friday that was the proper path.

    "This is the procedure stipulated by the Lebanese constitution, and will ensure that the government is able to continue conducting its business without interruption," State Department spokesman Sean McCormack said in Washington.

    Calling for the election of a new president "as quickly as possible," McCormack said, "We urge all Lebanese political groups to do their part to maintain calm and promote security for Lebanon's citizens."

    Opposition leader Michel Aoun warned the Cabinet that "usurping the role of the presidency" would increase its "illegitimacy." But he appeared to be trying to ease fears of violence by adding that the opposition would "calmly confront" the situation.

    The military command declined to comment on the president's statement, but Suleiman, the military commander, told his troops earlier in the week to ignore the constitutional wrangling and "listen to the call of duty."

    The anti-Syria camp has sought to capture the presidency to seal the end of Syria dominance of Lebanon, which lasted for 29 years until international pressure and mass protests forced Damascus to withdraw Syrian troops in 2005.

    Hezbollah, which is an ally of Syria and Iran, and its opposition allies have been able to stymie the government's hopes by boycotting parliament, as they did Friday afternoon when the majority tried to convene a session to vote before Lahoud left office.

    Parliament Speaker Nabih Berri, who is aligned with the opposition, scheduled another session for Nov. 30 to give the factions more time to try to find a compromise candidate — something they failed to do in weeks of talks mediated by France's foreign minister and others.

    Leaders from each side had been pledging not to take steps to provoke the other — though Lahoud's announcement raised the heat.

    "We have no choice but to have a consensus," Saad Hariri, leader of the anti-Syria majority in parliament, said after the failed session. "It is not in Lebanon's interest that the (presidential) palace is left empty."

    Another factor complicating the crisis was the U.S.-sponsored Mideast peace conference next week.

    Government supporters have accused Syria of using its allies in Lebanon to block a deal on the presidency until it sees what it gets in the conference. Damascus wants the meeting in Annapolis, Md., to address its demands for the return of the Israeli-held Golan Heights.

    France on Friday called for patience to resolve Lebanon's crisis but also chided Syria. French Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Pascale Andreani said it's up to the "Syrians, like everyone else, to remember that the goal is not to hinder the process but to help it."


    Oh great, yay! What a great time to leave to Lebanon in 2 days.

    Hagop pakradouni for president :weee:

    btw stop relating everything to Syria.. Syria is no big shit like everyone is telling. Those days are past, those were the days of Hafez el Asad. When Bashar became president, everything did change. He lost his cards everywhere, from Turkey to Palestine to Iraq and now Lebanon, Bashar Asad is not the one who gives orders, it's Najad or Putin that give orders..
    Who ?

    i heard that micheal eddeh will be the president
    You and your one liners.
     

    Snoop

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    Oct 2, 2001
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    it happens worse than this in all over middle east , and it happens hundreds times worse in most countries of Africa.. In some Arab countries, people don't even vote, or their votes go directly to the garbage without opening it..
     

    Maher

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    Dec 16, 2002
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    it happens worse than this in all over middle east , and it happens hundreds times worse in most countries of Africa.. In some Arab countries, people don't even vote, or their votes go directly to the garbage without opening it..
    democracy is good but it must decide the winner within a period not like this.
     

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