Michel Aoun's dream of being the President is decreasing day by day. The man will die and the presedential chair dream will be taken with him.
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With the elections on the door and the murders are still going on, it's time to revive this thread.
What really puzzles me is some Lebanese people. I will take the opportunity in splitting Aoun/Nasralla supporters into two groups.
The Christians following this gang. Don't they realize how Aoun has changed politics? Don't they see the sole purpose of his new agenda? Didn't they walk miles to reach the palace in B3abda just to sing Souriya sika sika?
The Muslims following the same gang. Did they forget the rockets that Aoun sent to their houses? Did they forget the two years of terror the country lived in? Do they follow what Nasralla say so blindly that no matter who he is ally with it is the right person?
What really puzzles me is some Lebanese people. I will take the opportunity in splitting Aoun/Nasralla supporters into two groups.
The Christians following this gang. Don't they realize how Aoun has changed politics? Don't they see the sole purpose of his new agenda? Didn't they walk miles to reach the palace in B3abda just to sing Souriya sika sika?
The Muslims following the same gang. Did they forget the rockets that Aoun sent to their houses? Did they forget the two years of terror the country lived in? Do they follow what Nasralla say so blindly that no matter who he is ally with it is the right person?
Now let's all be honest, how would you describe the Jabal wars back in the eighties? Leave the current situations aside, please.
Then again the questions I proposed are to more recent events so if people have forgotten them then they would have definitely forgot the ones you proposed.
And in the end if you come to ask my opinion, I want all the politicians to be president in the parliament on a certain day and one great hero would blow the whole building down with all of them to ashes. A bunch of power hungry, manipulative people who only care about their pockets. What makes me sad is that we follow them blindly.
Then again the questions I proposed are to more recent events so if people have forgotten them then they would have definitely forgot the ones you proposed.
And in the end if you come to ask my opinion, I want all the politicians to be president in the parliament on a certain day and one great hero would blow the whole building down with all of them to ashes. A bunch of power hungry, manipulative people who only care about their pockets. What makes me sad is that we follow them blindly.
You're talking during the "civil war" time, where even Shiiaa were killing Shiiaa's it was all mess.
Right now, Michel Aoun supporters whom are Christians majority, don't really know that If Aoun will be elected as a President, Hezbollah weapons and Syrian's secret service will be back to Lebanon.... All they care about is seein their General becoming a President.
Right now, Michel Aoun supporters whom are Christians majority, don't really know that If Aoun will be elected as a President, Hezbollah weapons and Syrian's secret service will be back to Lebanon.... All they care about is seein their General becoming a President.
I find it ironic actually, that in wester media news rhetoric the Free Patriotic Movement is referred to as "Pro Syrian" and Michel Aoun too.
I don't think this is the case..even his supporters would turn their backs on him.
Imagine Nasrallah suddenly saying, "Condoleeza Rice and Olmert are good people, we should offer cooperation and support for them!"
The entire dahyeh would call for his head.
But yeah I agree with Jack, at the end of the day everyone is after their own benefit. I said it previously in this thread, I don't believe Mr. Aoun is the solution to this country's problems. It takes much much more than that. The only solution is a collective cooperation from all sides, but nobody agrees with the other's ideology and that's why we're at a standstill. Every faction believes that there is too much at stake:
March14-LF-PSP alliance fear another satellite Syrian hegemonic rule.
Opposition-Hezballah-LFPM fear another hegemonic USA influenced rule.
Then you have the ordinary people -
Some say "Well I'd rather have Condoleeza Rice decide what's best for my country, I've had enough of those f*cking ba'athists."
Others would say, "Syria is an Arab country, I'm more comfortable with them as my ally, than the US who would bring us closer to Israel I'd want to be."
Nahr el Bared war went on for months, and once we cleaned that hole Lebanese had thought that would be the end of political assassinations.
Yet it's still happening.
Who's behind it, then?
Syria thru Hezballah? Or...simply..just Syria...to make things "easier" for the opposition to gain power?
The Mossad & CIA? Are they trying to cause internal instability so that they can have a pretext to make a serious intervention in our politics? (i.e. raising a case that the security in Leb is out of control, and slowly make their way to forcefully -violenty?- disarming Hezballah and then taking down Bashar in Syria as their politcal endgame)
I mean, Iraq's bombings are "understandable" the country's status is at "war". Lebanon is not, at "war" right now. Why is the internal security a complete mess?
You have army checkpoints all over the country, people sticking mirrors under your cars...in 2002 my car got towed away from a McDonald's parking lot coz I left it there for more than 2 hours! The parking attendant was nearly in tears telling me how he thought my sh*tty little Volkswagen had a bomb in it.
For the past 20 years+ it has clearly been obvious that whoever opens their mouth lashing out at Syria, immediately get's a bomb planted under his or her car. This is the only FACT so far.
Another obvious pattern is that after EVERY one of these murders whether it's Gemayel, Chamoun, Mouawad, Hariri, Tueni etc........we never found out a culprit as in, a person, a human, a f*cking lead...a finger print, a dust particle for cryin out loud....this is what pisses me off the most. It's like, oh...another murder. Ok. Who's next?
I don't think this is the case..even his supporters would turn their backs on him.
Imagine Nasrallah suddenly saying, "Condoleeza Rice and Olmert are good people, we should offer cooperation and support for them!"
The entire dahyeh would call for his head.
But yeah I agree with Jack, at the end of the day everyone is after their own benefit. I said it previously in this thread, I don't believe Mr. Aoun is the solution to this country's problems. It takes much much more than that. The only solution is a collective cooperation from all sides, but nobody agrees with the other's ideology and that's why we're at a standstill. Every faction believes that there is too much at stake:
March14-LF-PSP alliance fear another satellite Syrian hegemonic rule.
Opposition-Hezballah-LFPM fear another hegemonic USA influenced rule.
Then you have the ordinary people -
Some say "Well I'd rather have Condoleeza Rice decide what's best for my country, I've had enough of those f*cking ba'athists."
Others would say, "Syria is an Arab country, I'm more comfortable with them as my ally, than the US who would bring us closer to Israel I'd want to be."
Nahr el Bared war went on for months, and once we cleaned that hole Lebanese had thought that would be the end of political assassinations.
Yet it's still happening.
Who's behind it, then?
Syria thru Hezballah? Or...simply..just Syria...to make things "easier" for the opposition to gain power?
The Mossad & CIA? Are they trying to cause internal instability so that they can have a pretext to make a serious intervention in our politics? (i.e. raising a case that the security in Leb is out of control, and slowly make their way to forcefully -violenty?- disarming Hezballah and then taking down Bashar in Syria as their politcal endgame)
I mean, Iraq's bombings are "understandable" the country's status is at "war". Lebanon is not, at "war" right now. Why is the internal security a complete mess?
You have army checkpoints all over the country, people sticking mirrors under your cars...in 2002 my car got towed away from a McDonald's parking lot coz I left it there for more than 2 hours! The parking attendant was nearly in tears telling me how he thought my sh*tty little Volkswagen had a bomb in it.
For the past 20 years+ it has clearly been obvious that whoever opens their mouth lashing out at Syria, immediately get's a bomb planted under his or her car. This is the only FACT so far.
Another obvious pattern is that after EVERY one of these murders whether it's Gemayel, Chamoun, Mouawad, Hariri, Tueni etc........we never found out a culprit as in, a person, a human, a f*cking lead...a finger print, a dust particle for cryin out loud....this is what pisses me off the most. It's like, oh...another murder. Ok. Who's next?
There's a famous quote during 1989, couple of days before Aoun left to Paris leaving his family behind him...that quote says "Give me Baabda and take whatever you want" Michel Aoun telling Hafez Assad.
Why he's called pro syrian???
well lets see, for not asking for his men whom were kidnapped and killed and were taken to Syria???
for sitting down almost twice a week, meeting and settling things with "Hezb l Awme l Soure"?? a party that doesn't admit Lebanon as a country.
for claiming that Hezbollah are a part of syrian plans when he was in France and you can see that on the MTV archives, so logically, he's dealing with pro syrian parties.
and the list goes on.
Many has. Hopefully more in the future when the picture will be clearer for them.
Call me whatever you want, but they would stick with him. They even believe that Hassan Nasrallah is one of the "Imams".... soon they'll believe he's a god.
So whatever he tells them anyday, anytime, they'll agree with him.
Palestine and Syria killed the Shii'aa more than Israel, according to stats and history... Palestinians killed Shiiaa back in the south during the war much more than anyone can imagine, yet they stick with them, because of Nasrallah.
Syrians killed many shiiaa in Beirut during the civil war, yet Nasrallah or Hezbollah supporters stick with them because of Nasrallah praising speeches to syria.
At last, we've had 30years Syrian occupation, it's OUR time to choose the President now, 30years we were forbidden to choose a president like Geagea said.... and he's spot on.
Time for the 14th of march.
Why he's called pro syrian???
well lets see, for not asking for his men whom were kidnapped and killed and were taken to Syria???
for sitting down almost twice a week, meeting and settling things with "Hezb l Awme l Soure"?? a party that doesn't admit Lebanon as a country.
for claiming that Hezbollah are a part of syrian plans when he was in France and you can see that on the MTV archives, so logically, he's dealing with pro syrian parties.
and the list goes on.
Many has. Hopefully more in the future when the picture will be clearer for them.
Call me whatever you want, but they would stick with him. They even believe that Hassan Nasrallah is one of the "Imams".... soon they'll believe he's a god.
So whatever he tells them anyday, anytime, they'll agree with him.
Palestine and Syria killed the Shii'aa more than Israel, according to stats and history... Palestinians killed Shiiaa back in the south during the war much more than anyone can imagine, yet they stick with them, because of Nasrallah.
Syrians killed many shiiaa in Beirut during the civil war, yet Nasrallah or Hezbollah supporters stick with them because of Nasrallah praising speeches to syria.
At last, we've had 30years Syrian occupation, it's OUR time to choose the President now, 30years we were forbidden to choose a president like Geagea said.... and he's spot on.
Time for the 14th of march.
After almost 2months now, time to post again in this thread.
Friday new President will be elected and Emil Lahoud will finally pack his stuff to return.... hopefully not home but Jail.
Looks like I was spot on about Michel Aoun. He'll spend his life dreaming about the chair. Thats the only way he can get close to it.
Friday new President will be elected and Emil Lahoud will finally pack his stuff to return.... hopefully not home but Jail.
Looks like I was spot on about Michel Aoun. He'll spend his life dreaming about the chair. Thats the only way he can get close to it.
bec there are hands getting involved with this process. not to mention the diversity in lebanon makes it harder to make every one happy about an elected president.
jack, rab, and rihizoid from what i ve read in yr posts the problem seems no single indivual running for the elections wants the benefit of lebanon and its people only, the want to guarntee the happiniess and satisfaction of others as there priorty.
jack, rab, and rihizoid from what i ve read in yr posts the problem seems no single indivual running for the elections wants the benefit of lebanon and its people only, the want to guarntee the happiniess and satisfaction of others as there priorty.
